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Evaluate my budget, long

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edited August 2013 in Money Matters

We are in the process of renewing our mortgage, got a great rate and increased our biweekly payments to pay it off sooner, so excited! But to be honest, we have next to nothing saved for retirement, so we asked our financial planner to help us figure out our retirement plan. She said to come back to her with a maximum monthly figure we plan to put away, and she'll help us figure it out from there. We've never budget, and I'm finding it impossible to plan it all out. Plus, we currently have no savings or emergency fund. So we'd like to put these into the new budget as well. Here's what I've got so far, any advice/tips would be greatly appreciated. (P.S. We're Canadian, if that makes a difference. Also, both 28 years old, planning to retire at 55, and have 3 kids (ages newborn, 2, and 5).

Total net monthly income: 6215

Mortgage: $1950  ($900 biweekly, 5 year term, 3.19% interest, amortization 12 years, to have it paid off by the time we're 40). About $235K left on the mortgage, house is worth about $430K.  
House insurance: $200 (to save up for our $1800 premium due in May)
Residential Taxes: $289
Gas and Electricity: $252  (on a monthly budget plan, adjusted once a year depending on actual gas and electricity use)
Water/Drainage/Waste Removal: $100 approximately (averaged $98.45/month over the last year)
Cable/Home Phone/Internet: $120 (need a landline as I work from home, and employer requires it at my expense)
Cell Phone: $67
 
Organic Produce Delivery: $224
Other Groceries: $400
Eating out (including meals and coffee on the road for hubby when working): $100
 
Gas for car: $200
Insurance for car: $107
Maintenance for car (2013 Town and Country): $50
 
Kids RESP college funds: $450
Preschool for kid #2: $100
School (fees, field trips, supplies, fundraising, etc.) for kid #1: $20
Activities and sports (fees and gear for swimming lessons, soccer, summer and winter camp for oldest child, dance classes, etc) :$100
 
Medical and dental benefits are already coming off the paycheque (taken out before the income above).
 
Life/disability/critical illness insurance: $560
Health and dental not covered (i.e. 20% not covered, tips for massages, some of vision care not covered: $75
 
Clothing: $50
Home renos/maintenance: $300 (we're saving for a furnace as ours is 20 years old).
Birthdays (our family's gifts, cake, parties for our kids and parties the kids attend): $100
Bank fees: $15.00
Christmas: $175 (just starting to save now, in January will be less as we'll start saving earlier for Xmas next year).
Entertainment: $100
Misc: $100
 
This seems to pretty much eat up our budget, with no retirement plans (RESP contributions, as neither of us has a work pension) or emergency savings, vacation savings, etc. Selling the house/moving isn't something we're willing to do, but I'd love some ideas on where to trim so we can make room for savings! Or anything I missed in my budget, as I'm sure there's quite a bit. Thanks!

Re: Evaluate my budget, long

  • There are a couple things I see. FIrst off is bank fees- I know it's a very small #, but can you find a free bank?
    Also, your life, disability, critical illness seems very high- is your coverage appropriate? You are both young, so it doesn't seem like it should be this expensive each month.
    Organic produce is another significant expenditure- that may be something you want to re-evaluate. Are you using everything that is delivered, or is there a lot of waste? Can you buy it at the local market cheaper than the delivery cost?
    How frequently is your DH on the road for work? Is $100 for food for him reasonable, can he take sack lunches, or is this under-budgetted?
    Other than that, I'm going to say quit saving for kids college and instead save that for your retirement. you can take out loans for college, you can't do that for retirement. I follow Dave Ramsey's financial advice and he always puts retirement savings before college for that reason exactly.
    I'm not noticing anything missing, but other ladies probably will as they look and comment.
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  • I second the PP suggestion to pause college savings until after retirement savings is started.

    We also follow Dave Ramsey, and I would probably look in the following areas:

    The activity budget for the kids seems a bit high considering they are only 5,2 and newborn.  They probably won't remember if you cut back down so they can do more later.  Also, does the 2 year old need to be in preschool?  In the US preschool doesn't really start until 3 year old.  But  maybe that is child care? Also, the birthday budget seems high. Is that for your extended family or just household?

    Can you just carry a landline and maybe internet?  Do you need cable too?

  • The two big things to me - as echoed by PP - are the life/disability insurance, and the grocery options you choose.  There should be a local place you can organic product (and yes, I'm sure there is even a quality place.)  You're probably paying quite a premium for it to be delivered.  

    The life insurance seems pretty high considering you're so young.  Unless you have some serious underlying issues, I don't think it should be that high even if you're a smoker.  I would maybe shop around for plans again, or I know that if you are healthy (down here at least) you can request at most places once a year to have blood work done to re-evaluate your rates.  

    Some of the things you're saving for an emergency - I would just plain put aside as part of your e-fund.  Your e-fund doesn't solely have to be for if you lose a job, it can cover things like the furnace.  I would also echo the PP's thoughts about waiting to save for college until you at least have a solid e-fund going. 

    In general, shop around for any of the services you can change.  Try a new grocery store, look at other life insurance places, consider other places even for preschool and kids activities.  The same is true for utilities, cell phone, and so on and so forth.  AND, in addition to all that, get quotes for things you're saving up for.  A furnace might not run what you think (we just replaced ours for $2450, so at your rate, that's only 8-9 months of saving) so get quotes for the things you're saving up for.  
  • Had a talk with the hubby last night and I think some of the things we might cut will be the organic box, and organic altogether. While the grocery stores in our area tend to not have very good quality and selection for organic and therefore our organic box (free delivery) seemed like a good idea, if I had to choose between my husband being able to retire or having organic produce, it's a no brainer. That would save us $100 a month. The insurance does seem hung, but DH's life and disability through work are next to nothing for coverage, and we're only paying for coverage for 70% off his income, and mine as I have no work coverage, so we can't really skip the fees. I think I'm going to revisit the idea with work about using my cell instead of the landline so I can cancel that, and if I can convince DH we will also cancel the cable, which only the kids watch, Disney Junior and that. So cable and phone could save us maybe $60. Another 8 months and my cell contract is up and I plan to ditch the data, so I might save another 20-30 there. My oldest daughter (2-1/2) isn't in any daycare or day home or anything, so we are thinking two day a week, two hours each preschool would be worthwhile as she is always begging us for opportunities to play its other kids and it would be good for her. But her preschool is at the YMCA, and we pay far less for her school fees if she has a membership than the actual membership costs, so maybe we could reduce her activities by making more of that YMCA membership. Same for the older kiddo, he use his membership more too and we could reduce that $100 month (which includes $74/month membership for the both) down to just the $74/month with maybe a bit more for summer camp next year for our son who will then be 6. I should also get my husband to call his health insurance and see if a gym membership is covered, cause if one of us has a YMCA membership, then we would save $37 ($18.50 x 2 kids) on membership a month for The $100 includes all family eating out. DH works a lot of hours, like 70+/week out of the house, a lot of unexpected late nights and a lot of meeting lunches and dinners some of which can't be expensed, and he still almost always packs a lunch and/or dinner, so that can't really be changed. The birthdays include presents and cake/dinner at home for us and guests for our family of 5 and gifts for our 3 parents, 1 nephew, 2 grandparents, but it could probably be trimmed off by $25/month. Saving for the kids before ourselves is something we feel differently about than most people I think, but it's something we wouldn't change. It's our most important goal, before retirement, before anything, even if it is at an expense. That's $225. If we can shave a bit more here and there, I will. The goal is $1000/month for a combo of emeregency and retirement savings, but I'm thinking that would take some adjustments that we probably aren't prepared for yet.
  •  Saving for the kids before ourselves is something we feel differently about than most people I think, but it's something we wouldn't change. It's our most important goal, before retirement, before anything, even if it is at an expense. That's $225. If we can shave a bit more here and there, I will. The goal is $1000/month for a combo of emeregency and retirement savings, but I'm thinking that would take some adjustments that we probably aren't prepared for yet.
    I just have to say- definitely reconsider this! Will your kids take you in when you aren't working and don't have a retirement account? Or will they resent the fact that you paid for college and now expect to live off them the rest of your lives.
    Obviously, you can move retirement back by 10 years or so if it comes to that, but if your priority is to retire at 55 and be able to live comfortably, that extra $250 a month now into retirement with compounding interest will add up to a lot in the next 30ish years.
    I'm American so I'm not sure what type of programs Canada has out their for its senior citizens- but if its anything like the unfunded/underfunded/can't depend on it surviving Social Security you may want to reconsider putting off retirement savings. You can always restart college savings when your income increases.
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  • FIRST you fund your emergency fund

    SECOND you fund your retirement  (Kids can take out student loans if needed)

    THIRD - pay off consumer debt (I see you have none - so good job on that!)

    Here is Dave Ramsey's suggested division of income:

    Housing:  30-45% (mortgage+taxes+insurance_HOA+utilities_maintenance

    Transportation: 10-15%  vehicle payment, gas, insurance,maintenance

    Charitable giving:  10-12%

    Food:  5-15%

    Saving 5-10%

    Medical/Health  5-10%

    Clothing 2-7%

    Debt:  5-10%

    Miscellaneous  12-23%

    adjust those as suits your needs/goals and priorities

    Retiring at 55 seems a bit idealistic especially when you have 3 kids to raise

  • Could you replace the cable with Roku? This would allow you to watch Netflix which has a lot of kid shows and greatly reduce the money spent on TV. You could also consider something like Netflix only during the winter since during the summer the kids are most likely to be outside playing or at camp.

    For eating organic, would having your own garden and canning be an option. It would allow you to eat organic all year round for less.

    As a recent college grad I would recommend stopping the college fund. I saw too many of my classmates take advantage of their "free" college ride from their parents and goof off, barely graduating. I lived at home, worked part time and went to college full time, paying for my classes made me appreciate them. Yes I missed out on some of the social aspects of the college experience, but I graduated with a 3.9 gpa, two bachelors degrees, and no loans. Your kids will have access to all kinds of scholarships that they can start applying for as freshman in high school.
  • If you are not going to make concessions on funding your retirement before funding your children's college fund then you will never be able to retire in the time frame that you want.  You both are currently 28 years old.  In 22 years when your children are out of college you both will be 46 with only 9 years to accumulate enough wealth to retire at 55.  This makes no sense.
  • yeah forget funding the kids college, I'd be more worried about being able to retire
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  • I have to echo the others about funding your retirement.

    While I think it is admirable that you want to fully pay for your children's educations, you shouldn't be doing it at your own expense.  Your kids can take out loans for school, but you can't take out a loan for retirement.

    I'm very fortunate to have been able to have my schooling paid for, though I always worked for my own spending money.  But, my parents funded that in addition to funding their own retirement. So they retired before 60 and still have enough money to live on comfortably.  It doesn't sound to me like you are making those same provisions for yourself.

  • The birthday and Christmas budgets seem really high to me. Consider buying less for them, and teaching them how to save to buy themselves. Give them opportunities to earn money that they can learn to save/but with. That's life long education with huge payoffs later.
  • I understand where you're coming from with wanting to help your kids with college, but I have to agree with PPs that you should consider starting to put away money for your retirement as well. I was lucky enough to have my entire college education (and half of my Master's degree) paid for by my parents, and my parents made it a priority to also put money away for my much younger kid brother (he'll be a senior in high school this year). At the time I thought it was awesome because they didn't want me to work while I was in school and I saw all of my friends taking out loans and getting jobs to pay for school while I didn't have to do any of that. I still did good in school and had the chance to take on lots of unpaid internships in the field I was studying, which I am grateful for.

    But that brings us to present day...currently my parents are in their early/mid 50s have very little saved in retirement and even less in personal savings (they maybe have $5,000 saved up total). Most of this is because they decided to spend money on our education instead of putting aside some money for their future, and they also are not great at making smart financial decisions (that's a whole different story that I won't bore you with).

    Anyways, I would just say make sure to take care of yourself too, because you never know what will happen. I know it's just a matter of time before my parents come to live with us (that's ok with me, even expected as my family is latino, but still). Currently H and I don't have any kids but we are starting to save money for college for any little ones that come along, but we are also funding out retirement through work.
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  • Very good points. The real goal for us is to save for a comfortable retirement and save to help our children as our parents had for us. DH is a first generation Canadian, and his father worked so hard, with only a fourth grade education to support his family and send his kids to college. He is now sorta living with us (he has his own condo but spends up to 5 days/nights a week in our home, which will eventually equate to him moving in). Everything that my parents, FIL and late MIL have done for us has allowed us to be home owners in our early twenties, to not have student loans, etc. and I feel like we owe it to them, and to our children to pay it foreword to the next generation. With what we make a month (which is double what we made when we first married 6-1/2 years ago, I truly believe we can save both for our retirement and 3 or 4 kids to go to college. I'm going to take some of the advice above and cut down our budget until both goals can be met. I've cancelled our organic box, am looking at ordering a half of beef in the fall (to save money shopping wholesale and direct from the farmer), either cutting out ur phone/cable or switching our phone/cable/Internet provider for a deal elsewhere, cutting out the data on my cell, and possibly even renting out a spare room in our basement to a student, if we can dons someone we are comfortable with.
  • We recently have a very tight budget with no consumer debt.  Some things we'll be doing to save some money per month is switching DH's cell from T-Mobile ($70/mo including taxes) to Straight Talk (from Walmart) which will be $41/mo + taxes.  We'll switch our home owners and so far we've only gotten 2 quotes but the cheaper of the two will save us $22.75/mo and we'll be checking more companies.  We've also been checking for cheaper car insurance and so far that will save another $13/mo.  They're small amounts but that's still $60-$65/mo with really not changing our standard of living at all, just by choosing different companies.
    GSx1 - 05/13/2013
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