WIJFR: Dark Swan series by Richelle Mead (sp!)

UFCasey · September 2013

WTF was that ending? No, seriously. WTF was that? She broke up with Dorian because he wasn't honest with her and then she goes and decides that maybe she won't even tell him that the twins are his children until they are teenagers?!?! WHAT? And she thinks the children will be safer gaurded with a weak shaman woman and her even weaker shaman nephew instead of being surrounded by strong 'gentry' in the Otherworld including herself and the children's father among others? WTF kind of logic is that?!

Also, I hate Kiyo.

SnShne322 · September 2013

I had to read the end a few times too. The series was so strong IMO, but the ending wasn't exactly what I had hoped.

It's been awhile since I read it, but was there any assumption that Dorian was the father on his part? I thought the parentage was becoming obvious. Eugenie wasn't planning on saying anything, but it might be known sooner than that who their father was. It still doesn't justify her reasoning though.

Yes, Kiyo's a dick.

SnShne322 · September 2013

RE: the guards

Wasn't that always her MO? She didn't like that all the hoopla with the strong shamans, so she always wanted to go the less obvious route? She hated the pomp and circumstance with being royal. Maybe they would fly under the radar so to speak?

Again, it's been awhile since I've read it so I may be confusing things.

UFCasey · September 2013

Dorian and everyone else had no clue that the children are his - she and everyone else believed until the very end that the children were Kiyo's until he told her otherwise. So he could go forever not knowing the children are his. And despite how much she knows he longs to be a father, and is willing to be a father to the children even thinking they aren't his - she wants to not tell Dorian the children are his until they are teenagers when they would be more 'safe' to live in the Otherworld instead of hidden in Alabama.

And I can understand that they might be more sheltered in Alabama and away from politics and maybe some kidnapping plots, but the point remains - if anyone ever does find them, there is no one really strong magically to protect them in Alabama. Along with the fact that they will grow up not knowing their own parents, being raised by complete strangers, however nice those strangers might be.

Also - apparently Kiyo's child changed names from Luisa to Marta in the last book, when she was trying to wake Kiyo up from his enchantment by those wood creatures. I was like 'who?' and then figured it out. Marta is nothing near Luisa, kind of a big mistake lol.

fabk · September 2013

I agree the ending sucked. The rest of the series was so strong and than wrapped up so poorly. I can kind of see where she wouldn''t want the kids around the court, but I can't fathom it.

duxcaelo · September 2013

UFCasey said:

Dorian and everyone else had no clue that the children are his - she and everyone else believed until the very end that the children were Kiyo's until he told her otherwise. So he could go forever not knowing the children are his. And despite how much she knows he longs to be a father, and is willing to be a father to the children even thinking they aren't his - she wants to not tell Dorian the children are his until they are teenagers when they would be more 'safe' to live in the Otherworld instead of hidden in Alabama.

And I can understand that they might be more sheltered in Alabama and away from politics and maybe some kidnapping plots, but the point remains - if anyone ever does find them, there is no one really strong magically to protect them in Alabama. Along with the fact that they will grow up not knowing their own parents, being raised by complete strangers, however nice those strangers might be.

Also - apparently Kiyo's child changed names from Luisa to Marta in the last book, when she was trying to wake Kiyo up from his enchantment by those wood creatures. I was like 'who?' and then figured it out. Marta is nothing near Luisa, kind of a big mistake lol.

I agree with a lot of your thoughts on the series, especially Eugenie and not telling Dorian about the kids; it just seemed wrong knowing how much he wants to be a father and how committed to her he is, even thinking that the kids aren't his. The kids are still 3/4 Otherworld, so it is in part denying them a huge part of their heritage.

I also noticed the name change and had the same moment.

UFCasey · September 2013

duxcaelo said:

UFCasey said:

Dorian and everyone else had no clue that the children are his - she and everyone else believed until the very end that the children were Kiyo's until he told her otherwise. So he could go forever not knowing the children are his. And despite how much she knows he longs to be a father, and is willing to be a father to the children even thinking they aren't his - she wants to not tell Dorian the children are his until they are teenagers when they would be more 'safe' to live in the Otherworld instead of hidden in Alabama.

And I can understand that they might be more sheltered in Alabama and away from politics and maybe some kidnapping plots, but the point remains - if anyone ever does find them, there is no one really strong magically to protect them in Alabama. Along with the fact that they will grow up not knowing their own parents, being raised by complete strangers, however nice those strangers might be.

Also - apparently Kiyo's child changed names from Luisa to Marta in the last book, when she was trying to wake Kiyo up from his enchantment by those wood creatures. I was like 'who?' and then figured it out. Marta is nothing near Luisa, kind of a big mistake lol.

I agree with a lot of your thoughts on the series, especially Eugenie and not telling Dorian about the kids; it just seemed wrong knowing how much he wants to be a father and how committed to her he is, even thinking that the kids aren't his. The kids are still 3/4 Otherworld, so it is in part denying them a huge part of their heritage.

I also noticed the name change and had the same moment.

Exactly! I mean, I could have maybe forgiven this last book for being basically all about some ruler from another land that has basically not been mentioned in any previous book. I could have maybe forgiven Eugenie for abandoning her kids to save her land and people and not IMMEDIATELY returning to see her children once she succeeded in removing the blight. But to contemplate not telling Dorian he is the father of those children for YEARS while shacking up with him in the Otherworld, that's just a disgusting breach of trust. And she then says MAYBE she will tell him about the children because he's 'irresistible'. WHAT? THAT is your reason for telling him? Not because he deserves to know, but because he's irresistible? Ugh! Just ugh!

SnShne322 · September 2013

Hmmm... I must be thinking of another series regarding the parentage.

RevJen · September 2013

There's always the possibility that Dorian would have used their kids in order to fulfill the prophecy if he knew about them.

UFCasey · September 2013

RevJen said:

There's always the possibility that Dorian would have used their kids in order to fulfill the prophecy if he knew about them.

Pagiel was the first grandson, not Issac, so Issac can't fulfill the prophecy. I guess Dorian could still try to make Issac fulfill it, but considering when Dorian found out that Pagiel was in fact the first grandson, his first reaction was not to support Paigel but to instead to stop him because that was what Eugenie wanted. He flat out told her that he supported her wishes and to trust him when she confronted him about it. And he followed through on his word by using his magic to restrain Pagiel and try to talk him out of his actions. Granted Pagiel was murdered shortly thereafter by Maiwyn (or however you spell her name), but still.

RevJen · September 2013

How does the prophecy read? I really need to go back and reread these.

UFCasey · September 2013

RevJen said:

How does the prophecy read? I really need to go back and reread these.

That the Storm King's daughter's first son will conquer the human world. So since Pagiel was the first son to come along from a daughter of the Storm King, he's the one the prophecy is about, not Issac. Which is why Kiyo decided to stop trying to murder Issac and moved on to trying to murder Pagiel instead.

RevJen · September 2013

There's always a catch and I'll bet one is being built in. I wonder if we're going to get anything else from this world.

UFCasey · September 2013

http://www.richellemead.com/books/darkswan.htm

Future Eugenie books?
At the moment, Shadow Heir is the conclusion to the Dark Swan series. As many of you know, there's definitely room for more of the story! I would like to write a fifth book, but at the moment, other commitments have taken precedence, so it may be a long time. But I'll keep you guys posted! Fingers crossed.

So I guess we'll see. The last book was written in 2011.

RevJen · September 2013

I know this is the last one. But I wonder if there's going to be a spinoff from this world. There's too much of it yet to be revealed. I would have gladly forgone Bloodlines for a Dark Swan spinoff.

nocturnalintimacy · September 2013

I remember hating the ending at first, but the way that it was left off made me feel like she would tell him in time. Maybe this is just me inserting my own ending.

Kiyo = douche, but I do love me some Dorian.

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