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Young and Clueless

My husband and I got married two months ago (been together 4 years) and are struggling to prioritize financial goals. Honestly, we both come from very poor welfare families and we are desperate to lead more financially stable lives. The problem is our families werent able to teach us finances and priorities so we aren't starting off well. I had a lapse in health insurance and racked up $7,000 in an ER visit that went to collections. It didn't help that I maxed out to credit cards. I didn't know about the debt ratio until I started lurking here. Husband is not much better, he financed a car early on and missed a couple payments, maxed out three cards with late payments.
It wasn't until last month we found out we could check our credit report and score (they are terrible, think low low 500s) for free and now that we know what's wrong we are desperate to get on the right path so we can buy a house.
We set up a payment schedule that should get us out of debt (aside from medical and school) in three years but we really wanted to get a house next year. What do we do?!

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  • Welcome! You are in the right place. And, you are starting in, which is something to be feeling good about. Congrats on the wedding BTW!

    It's really normal for a newly married couple to want to buy a house. But, I will just be honest. You and DH have a journey ahead of you with the financial matters and credit you have described. I think you will serve yourself well to not focus on a house right now. Don't put it out of your mind completely, as it is a great goal to work toward, however, it's going to take you longer than a year to fix the situation you two are in. I'm not saying this to be mean, just to be honest so you don't get false hopes and then get discouraged.

    You can fix your situation, but it will take work and time. I would prepare mentally and emotionally on it taking two or three years to improve your credit to a place where lenders will look at giving you a loan. This is okay! Having a house is fine, but if you aren't financially ready for one, it becomes a scary financial burden hanging over your life and marriage.

    Can you post your budget here with income and expenses?

    Along with paying off the debts, you will want to get an emergency fund started. The general recommendation is to have at least 3 months of essential (meaning: electricity, gas, water, food, car insurance, etc.) expenses saved up.

    You may also want to check out the book Smart Couples Finish Rich by David Bach.

     

  • Welcome! You are in the right place. And, you are starting in, which is something to be feeling good about. Congrats on the wedding BTW!

    It's really normal for a newly married couple to want to buy a house. But, I will just be honest. You and DH have a journey ahead of you with the financial matters and credit you have described. I think you will serve yourself well to not focus on a house right now. Don't put it out of your mind completely, as it is a great goal to work toward, however, it's going to take you longer than a year to fix the situation you two are in. I'm not saying this to be mean, just to be honest so you don't get false hopes and then get discouraged.

    You can fix your situation, but it will take work and time. I would prepare mentally and emotionally on it taking two or three years to improve your credit to a place where lenders will look at giving you a loan. This is okay! Having a house is fine, but if you aren't financially ready for one, it becomes a scary financial burden hanging over your life and marriage.

    Can you post your budget here with income and expenses?

    Along with paying off the debts, you will want to get an emergency fund started. The general recommendation is to have at least 3 months of essential (meaning: electricity, gas, water, food, car insurance, etc.) expenses saved up.

    You may also want to check out the book Smart Couples Finish Rich by David Bach.

     

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  • Congratulations on recognizing and problem and wanting to change your financial ways & circumstances.

    Rule #1 - SAVE something from EVERY check you take home.

    Rule #2 - Live BELOW your TAKEHOME pay. 

    Read Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey - VERY helpful and motivating to get out of debt.

    You NEED to differentiate NEEDS and WANTS.  Know the difference. Fund needs. Save and allow some $ for a few wants as debt repayment allows.

    I like Dave Ramsey's snowball repayment method (in book)

    Start by tracking your spending - EVERY dollar. Then look seriously at where you money is going.  If you are eating out too much - is that supporting getting out of debt?? No - well cut it out or at minimum reduce significantly.  Same with each budget line item.

    You can get almost everything for less money = on sale, clearance, consignment shop, rent it, borrow it etc. Save for large purchases rather than putting on a credit card.

    As for the house - sorry to say, but it is going to take TIME, more than a year before you are ready financially to be home owners. (we saved for 6 years before buying our first home - and we had no debt starting out!).  Homeownership is much much ore than the monthly mortgage payment. First you need to get out of debt and then re-establish substantial savings for downpayment, an emergency fund etc. 

    To make this go faster, can you sell items you no longer need or use, down size your vehicles (selling a gas guzzler and buying an older than current car that is more fuel efficient etc. Another option is to work a second PT job.

    Meal plan - cook at home, eat at home.

    Entertainment does not need to cost a lot of money.

    Eliminate or reduce alcohol, soda, and assorted junk food from your diet.

    Cell phones - talk only (unless you need data for work) - consider pay as you go such as Trac Phone plans.

    Personal care - haircuts only - no additional salon services.  Do your own nails. With a simple flattering hairstyle you do NOT need highlights, color etc. 

    ALWAYS make payments on time.  If circumstances are such that it is not possible, contact the and make arrangements for alternative payment plan.

    I grew up dirt poor, but was fortunate to learn how to stretch a dollar, the difference between a need vs a want, how to budget as well as delay gratification.  You can do this as well.

    Start with cutting up all credit cards but one and put that one in a block of ice in the freezer.

    Stick to your new budget . You will not believe the sense of freedom and power over your life once you are debt free and have money in the bank.  One day at a time.  One financial decision at a time.  You will get there.  (and remember that five $20 purchases are the same as one $100 purchase . The little stuff adds up!  Watch EVERY dollar.

  • And DON'T start a family until you are financially stable (after school and have paid off debt!)
  • Sisugal said:

    And DON'T start a family until you are financially stable (after school and have paid off debt!)

    Ouch, that part hurts the most. H and I desperately want children in the next two or three years
  • We were in a similar spot! Create a budget that helps you to save and pay down debt is important, but be realistic about it. My husband and I made ours unrealistic and then found ourselves back in the same place again. Be sure that you're having fun and support each other so that this can be manageable for both of you. Suze Orman's book The Money Book for the Young, Fabulous, and Broke was super helpful because it was targeted specifically to people like us. Good luck!
  • Get out of debt before buying a house. That's the best advise I got. You don't want to be paying off debt and making a house payment (along with paying bills). So if you want a house in a year, you're going to have to get higher paying jobs or work more or win the lottery. 

    Basically at this point, you have to wait it out. You'll want higher credit scores too to get a better loan for a house.
  • Put a picture of a nice home and a baby on your refrigerator.  Use them as motivators to stay on track to pay off y our debt and save for both future events.

    WANTING is not sufficient to buy a house nor have a child.  Both require a good deal of money and a child.  I am sure you want to be able to provide for your child on a level you did not experience in your childhood.  You have time.  Use it to your advantage to make a better future for yourself and future family.

     

  • @Sisugal is smart. Her advise is very true and correct.

    Yes, you may WANT children in the next couple of years. But think about the situation you would be bringing that child into. Wouldn't you want to be able to tell your future children that you were in a bad way financially, and got out of it by making smart decisions and deciphering between your wants and needs before taking the next step in your lives?  It will be a great story to be able to teach them and show them, and they will learn more from you making smart financial decisions rather than putting your wants before your needs.

    Feel free to post your budget here. Everyone here is great at giving advise and seeing where to cut back. 

    One of your best options is to get 2nd jobs and make this debt your primary focus. If owning a house and starting a family is very important, then focus on your debt and do what is needed in order to pay it down faster. 

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  • I agree with all the advice about buying a house--wait until you are in a better financial position.  I didn't buy my first house until I was over 35, and it was absolutely the right decision for me/us.  Sure I had doubts at times as my friends were all buying houses, but we made the right choice for us and are now happy with how things turned out.

    In terms of having a child, I would say that really depends on the specifics of your situation.  How old are you two?  Will waiting to have children make it more difficult for you?  Will you have to pay for child care?  If not, a baby doesn't have to be that expensive.  Having a child sooner may put off your ability to save an buy a home by a couple of years, but that trade-off may be worth it for you.  You definitely don't have to own a home to have a child.

  • And DON'T start a family until you are financially stable (after school and have paid off debt!)
    Ouch, that part hurts the most. H and I desperately want children in the next two or three years
    This is going to sound harsh, but this is a want vs a need. Do you WANT to raise your children in a similar way to how you and your husband were raised, or do you NEED to give them something better? If you want, then have a baby next year, if you need, then wait until you're in a better place. No one is ever totally prepared (emotionally, financially, etc) to have a baby, but as a parent it's your JOB to ensure that you give that child the best life you can. You were raised in a financially irresponsible environment and you're now seeing how easy it is to repeat that in your life. What we know is comfortable. But you're an adult, you're married, you're employed. IT'S IN YOUR POWER TO STOP THE CYCLE!

    Follow the previous budget and debt busting advice, down to the letter. And make getting your financial house in order your priority before purchasing a physical house and having children.
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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    edited September 2013
    OP, let me give you an example of a long-term perspective...

    My mom had a coworker who for years would go buy fast food for lunch.  She would bring it back to the office and eat with my mom, who always packed a lunch.  She would buy the meals plus a dessert or extra thing to go along with it, probably $10 per day.  My mom's meal cost probably $3 per day.  One day my parents were talking about it (this was after I had gone to college) and figured: $7 difference between my mom's meal and her friend's each day.  $35/week, $770/year (for 22 weeks of work), and $13,860 over the 18 years I was I lived with them.  My parents invested a lot of money they didn't spend - so that $13,860 could reasonably be $25,000+ that my parents were able to save and my mom's friend lost just by eating her $10 lunch every day.  That was a year of college tuition for me.

    This was a powerful lesson to me about the importance of watching your small expenses.  There are many many people out there who buy the $3 mustard at the grocery store instead of the $1.50 off-brand mustard.  They figure one is a name brand, the other isn't, and it's only $1.50.  As you can see above, it's NOT just $1.50.  It adds up, slowly but surely over time.  You have to watch your small expenses if you are going to be successful with this.

    This gets back to Sisugal's point about learning to differentiate wants versus needs.  Reasonably, you need climate controlled shelter, food, potable water, clothing, a way to get from your shelter to your place of employment, and basic utilties such as electricity and/or gas.  A data plan is not a need.  Buying steak at the grocery store is not a need.  If you have internet at your work and you have access to an office computer that is not public, you don't even need internet access at your home.  You can do your online activity before or after hours at work.  If you don't have internet access or you only have access to a public computer, then you can purchase an inexpensive netbook (sub $200) for your residence and pay for low-speed internet.  But cable?  Definitely not a need.  I don't care how much your H likes to watch ESPN.

    I know this all probably sounds harsh.  But there are ways to make it more palatable.  H and I are saving for a house.  To give you perspective, I am a lawyer and he's a law student.  Will we have money?  Yes.  But we also have a gargantuan amount of student debt (think several hundred thousand dollars... the cost of a mortgage for many people).  So a house for us is a long-term goal while we split our extra income between savings and debt.  In the meantime, we are determined to enjoy our apartment.  We are going to relish the freedom of being able to move when our neighbors start playing loud music, and we are going to enjoy being able to watch our savings grow even when the A/C breaks.  It's not us who has to pay that bill...  And each month we set a savings goal for the month.  At the end of the month I report to my H whether we met it or not.  When we do meet it, we "celebrate" in our own private way (usually means we eat chicken for dinner instead of pasta!) and pat each other on the back for a job well-done.

    Money can really make or break a marriage.  It's the #1 cause of divorce in this country.  Try to develop a long-term perspective about it and recognize that you two are a step ahead of the game by facing the fact that you have a problem NOW.  Fixing it when you are young is so much better than fixing it when you are old.  And making it something you do as a team will help you overcome the emotional challenges it may present.

    Finally, regarding children... I don't know how old you are, but this is my $0.02 on the situation.  I firmly believe that the best parents do two things for their children: first they start to teach their children about delayed gratification from a young age.  One of the reasons the US is drowning in credit card debt is we are a consumer society who "needs" things NOW.  Second, they ensure that they are not a burden on their children in their old age.  My H and I have parents in their 60's.  My parents started saving for retirement in their 20's.  His started saving just a few years ago.  Take a wild guess about which set is likely to call us in a few years for a loan.... Point is, you need to prioritize your finances now so that you aren't like my H's parents.  They had children right away and felt like they always had to give their kids the best.  And in giving their children everything, they taught their kids that if they want it, they should buy it.  H has been able to break himself of that habit, but it was a very difficult thing for him to do and it put a strain on us at the beginning of our relationship. My inlaws are wonderful, generous people, but at the end of the day the financial model they followed will affect their children in ways they probably never considered.  You have to take care of yourself first before you are prepared to really give your children the lessons and support they will need to grow into responsible adults.
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  • DaBears.

    I hope you can see that you have a lot of support for a new financial path.  It will not be easy, but it is very do able. Please do post your budget (and if you do not have one - start tracking every dollar coming in and going out and then categorize it -  I am sure you will see some surprises)

    We can and will help all people who are serious about using their money wisely, to make it work for them. Things change by making changes.

    IF you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you you've always got.

  • DaBears.

    I hope you can see that you have a lot of support for a new financial path.  It will not be easy, but it is very do able. Please do post your budget (and if you do not have one - start tracking every dollar coming in and going out and then categorize it -  I am sure you will see some surprises)

    We can and will help all people who are serious about using their money wisely, to make it work for them. Things change by making changes.

    IF you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you you've always got.

  • Read.  Go to your library.  Read the financial books.  Subscribe to the money saving sites on the internet.  Never pay full price for anything.  We got our furniture at thrift stores.  We buy gently used cars etc.  We use priceline & groupon.

    You can also take low cost classes about financial planning & debt management at your local high school (adult education) or community college.

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