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did I do the right thing?

I need some reassurance on the parenting decision front. We've been having some behavioral issues with Jake ever since Kindergarten started up; he'll be fine one minute, dishing out a teenage-like attitude the next minute.  it's frustrating and we are doing our best to be patient.  On top of that, in the past few days, he's started to try to hit and kick us when he's angry.  it's been a vicious cycle....he makes a poor choice (either in the attitude department, or steals a toy from Liam then wont' give it back when warned, etc), we give a consequence (he loses a show, he has to go to his room to cool off, etc), then he gets angry and tries to hit or kick one of us. 

After a few days of this, I had had enough.  After he lashed out at Brian on saturday, I talked to him when he was calm and let him know that hitting and kicking is unacceptable and gave him other suggestions for handling his anger.  Then I told him that if he decided to hit or kick anyone in the next week, he would lose the birthday party he was supposed to go to this Saturday. I made him repeat it back to me and he understood.

Fast forward to last night, there was a fight at the dinner table over something silly (doesn't it always start out like that?) that resulted in him using unkind words and being asked to leave the table until he could calm down.  He wouldn't budge and kept dishing out the attitude, so Brian got up from his chair and when he did, Jake tried to hit him.  Thus, he's lost the party this Saturday.

I did the right thing, right??  I mean, we've tried taking away a bunch of other privileges....tv, story at bedtime, not getting to play outside after school, etc....but nothing was working. He'd get upset that he couldn't do something, but then he'd turn around and act the same way the next day.  I just feel awful that I have to take the party away...I feel bad for him (I know, I know...he knew what would happen, but I can't help but hate being the bad guy) and I feel bad that we're bailing on the party at the last minute, even though I'm sure a fellow mom will understand. 

These past few weeks have just been so trying.  I either need to go on a solo vacation or take up drinking every night. 
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Jake - 1.15.08
Liam - 5.17.11

Re: did I do the right thing?

  • I'm sorry Emmy. We've done the same thing if normal losing a show, story or iPad consequences don't work. You're giving the mom enough notice too. You're not telling her Saturday morning for an afternoon party
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  • Yes, I think you did.  Do you remember your parents saying things like "this hurts me, more than it hurts you?"  Now that I'm a parent, I totally understand what that means.  It makes you feel bad that he's missing the party...but you have to be consistent and show him that you mean business.  
    We were supposed to see a movie one weekend and on the way in the car the kids were just being awful.  Screaming/hitting/kicking each other.  After repeatedly telling them to knock it off, it's not safe to scream in the car, etc, etc...we told them if we had to say something again, we weren't going.  And the behavior continued, so we didn't go to the movies.  Now when they're acting up, I remind them of that "remember when you were behaving this way and we didn't go to the movies?, Well, this time it's X, Y, Z that we won't do".   It helps for them to have a tangible memory of losing out on something that they really wanted, and typically the behavior stops because they know we'll follow through.  
    I'm sorry you're going through this...but you'll be happy when he's a teenager that he's learned hitting/kicking isn't the best way to express his anger.  
  • Ugh, it's tough. I think you did the right thing. I would just email  the parent, apologize, and say that due to behavioral issues, Jake will not be able to attend the party. (I had to do this.)

    UNLESS, you want to try the "earn it back" approach. But, that's a tough call because you have the RSVP on the line. (In Gavin's situation, the parent wrote back that she understood and that if things changed, Gavin was still welcome to come.)

    Earning it back works with Gavin bc he knows when he pushes me to the breaking point, I snap. And then all of sudden he starts behaving, helping out, etc. And it keeps up for days.

    My husband reassures me that the switching back and forth from "good" kid to teenager is normal behavior / hormones for this age. But, I agree that physical attitude (hitting) is not acceptable whatsoever. The last thing I want is for him to do it at school if he got mad at someone.

    The only thing I would do is, if you don't go to the party, remind him that day that he could have gone to the party if he was good. Make sure that you don't substitute the party with something else fun (going to the park, Soergel's, etc.). I had to discipline Conall a few weeks back and he missed going to the Festival with Gavin and I, and stayed at home with DH instead (which meant nap and time in his room). He still talks about missing the Festival.

    It was nice, though, to see how Gavin tried helping him be good by reminding him that he would miss the event. Ah, brotherly love. 

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  • Clare-one of the first things he said when I reminded him that his choices led him to missing the party was, "well....what do I need to do to earn it back?"  ugh.  no.  I can't go there, because I guess based on that reaction, I have gone there in the past.  and clearly it's not getting me very far :(

    I don't know where this hitting/kicking business has come from so suddenly.  he was a big hitter when he was younger, like basically all of age 3, then we finally worked to get past that.  it's like he's regressing!!! 
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    Jake - 1.15.08
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  • Ditto Amber - I think you really did do the right thing, even as hard as it is.  Kindergarten sure is making our angels crazy huh? I just came on to post about Cori lying (does Jake do that too) and saw this. (((hugs)))
  • If it makes you feel better dd is the same way. It goes through phases though. Right now she is being pretty great and nice. But I'm sure we will cycle back to this behavior.

    Since you threatened the party you did the right thing! Good for you for following through! Honestly I try avoiding threatening things like parties but if you do then you have to follow through.

    I would see how things go as far as his attitude the rest of the week and the after that day. I know for dd that she has a hard time with consequences and something so far away would be hard for her. But since it is such a big consequence it may work.
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  • Heather missed out on a birthday party last October due to bad behavior, so I say right thing. I try not to threaten any consequences that I don't want to follow through on, DH is worse about this than I am.

    The combination of starting Kindergarten and being five can REALLY stink. Heather regressed with the hitting and kicking, too. The good news is that 1st grade and being six has been much better. Not perfect, but definitely better than last year.
    Heather Margaret --- Feb '07 and Todd Eldon --- April '09

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  • I let DD earn things back, but she too has learned to rely on that too much. So yes, you did the right thing, but it's definitely not easy!
  • You did the right thing!  And, FWIW, I wouldn't let him earn it back.  I've seen too many kids who don't really believe that a consequence can always be overturned....and they get in big trouble in H.S./College when in the real world it can't. 

  • Thanks for the support everyone!!  I talked to the mom last night, and she totally understood and said they've been in similar situations, so that made me feel better.  Jake asked again last night if he can earn it back, and I said no, that he has to miss this party for his choices.  He looked sad, but in an unusual turn of events, did not throw a fit over it or anything.  progress in small steps, perhaps. 
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    Jake - 1.15.08
    Liam - 5.17.11
  • I agree. I am more likely to let Todd earn things back since he has significantly less impulse control than Heather, but I'm also more likely to take away small things than big. In a couple of years he won't be able to earn things back either.

    It stinks, but that's life.
    Heather Margaret --- Feb '07 and Todd Eldon --- April '09

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