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I want to confront my MIL about unexpected pop-ins

Ever since my niece and nephew were born (they are 2 and 4), my MIL has helped take care of them after daycare while my SIL and BIL finish work (family ran business - I'm the only one who doesn't work there). Unfortunately, my DH and I live next door to my MIL and FIL, which is located on the family business property. Since MIL started helping out with the kids, I've had an issue with my her popping in with the kids when I get home from work. Sometimes I'm able to chat with them for a bit, and sometimes I'm not. Of course, the kids want to stay and hang out with me when she brings them over (uninvited and unexpected) and when I say no, the kids get very upset and cry. I hate that she puts me on the spot and in this position. I'm so tired of being put in this position, so I'm thinking about confronting her and telling her to stop bringing the kids by unexpected because their feelings just wind up getting hurt whenever I tell them it's not a good night for them to stay.  This really frustrates me because I feel like she's putting me in a very awkward and difficult position. We do a lot with the in-laws so it's not like I don't see the kids on a regular basis. I love these kids, but I'm also not a pop-in babysitter. Also, I'm a big planner and if the kids want to come over, I'd like it to be planned out rather than unexpected and on the spot. Am I being unreasonable or am I justified in confronting her? I think that this all stems from the fact that we live next door (I know, we HAVE to move!!!!!) but we've got at least another year before we're able to move so I need to figure out how to deal with this.

Re: I want to confront my MIL about unexpected pop-ins

  • For love of Mike, MOVE!

    Get away from that living arrangement as fast as you can. THis is the same thing as living in the same household with them: you get no privacy and THEY call the shots because it is their home, even if you live there.

    YOu and your H need to sit down and tell the 2 of them, "We do not wish you to visit if you are not invited. We need our privacy and I will bet if we popped in on the 2 of you at any time, you'd rightfully be pretty pissed off."

    And if she continues to come over unasked?

    DOn't get the door! Let her ring away.

    Move and do it asap. That's the only way you will get away from this mess.
  • I know, we need to move BADLY! Funny thing is, they would be absolutely thrilled if we were to pop in on them. My MIL has no need for alone time or privacy and welcomes every chance to be with her kids/family. I'm afraid if I confront her it's all going to be turned around on me and it's all going to be made to look like I'm the weird/wrong. LOL I actually did ignore her last night when she came over unannounced. She rang and rang that bell. She also called my phone 5 times within 10 minutes (yes, that's how long she stood outside)!!! I later called her back and she asked if she and the kids could come over. I told her I wasn't in the mood for company so she goes and tells the kids that I flat out said no they can't come over, and of course the poor things started crying! I just don't understand why she has to be so cold. Why can't she tell the kids something that won't make them cry? I know it would be easier to just take the kids and suck it up, but I see them literally all the time. Unlike her, sometimes I just want to be alone!
  • I think at this point, maybe your H needs to step in and say something to his mother because she clearly doesn't get it, and sorry to say that coming from you, she probably would take offense or just do what she did (tell the kids you said no). That's just wrong on her part to do that, btw...how rude.
  • Oh yea, and I second the whole moving option...def you need to move for your own piece of mind and sanity.
  • stop looking at it as a confrontation.  Look at it as a conversation.

    In a NICE, calm voice, "Hey, MIL.  I appreciate being able to see the kids so often.  but as there are days that just aren't good for me for you to stop by and THEY get upset when I say "no", I think it would really be a good idea, for their sake, if you were to call me ahead of time.  I just hate to upset them.....".

    In essence, put it on the kids. 

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  • I think you need to have a conversation with her when the kids are not there. If you've really tried then your DH needs to have that conversation with his mom or sibling. I wouldn't worry about the kids, I am sure 10 minutes later they are on to something else. 
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  • That sucks that she puts you on the spot and makes you into the bad guy with the kids. Can you tell her you want to see them, but you need to know in advance (and not just her calling you from outside your house)? Or agree to a day when you'll definitely be there (e.g. Every Wednesday) and outside of that, she shouldn't ask? I think that's fair. She may not understand it, but she should still respect it. Some people don't mind pop-ins, and some do. It's not being weird to want to plan your time. Good luck!!
  • I'm worried about what she tells the children to build them up so much that they cry. Yeah, they are 2 and 4, but jeez. They cry every single time? The MIL is on her way to playing the victim card at this rate. 

    Good luck OP. 
  • I agree with ECB. Frame it properly to avoid hurt feelings. Don't say "You're always popping in unexpectedly and you're making me crazy!" Approach it that you're concerned about the kids - "I love seeing you and the kids but sometimes it's just not a good time for me and I hate upsetting the children. Going forward please call ahead so we can avoid hurting their feelings."

    This is one of those situations I'd handle directly with her, don't involve your husband. It directly affects you, and it can be handled tactfully. If your husband has this conversation she might see it as you complaining about her with would result in more hurt feelings than addressing it yourself.
  • ^ but what if she says something and her MIL still doesn't listen? I think at that point the H might need to step in and say something. I actually like Leftie's suggestion of maybe having a set day to hang out with MIL and the kids (as long as that option works for OP).
  • So basically, you are worried about a woman who not only does not care about your feelings/schedule/time but will use children to get her way feelings more than your own?  

    Why should you tiptoe around her when she doesn't seem to give two forks about you?  

    All you need to do is not answer the door when she comes over.  A ringing doorbell or knock is not a legally binding summons.  

    And if your DH is upset by the fact that his mother's need to chitchat is more important that his wife doing the things that need to be done after work, which includes winding the eff down from a long day, then maybe the issue is more a marriage one. 

    Hell, my husband (whose mother is a classic P/A witch) would have recognized just how rude and overwhelming this shit is without me having to even bring it up.  
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  • Thank you, thank you, thank you to all. I'm so glad that I'm not the crazy one here!

    So I brought the whole thing up to DH last night and instead of taking my side (or even trying to understand my side) he gets annoyed and says that it wouldn't have hurt for me to spend some time with them for a little while that night. I get so frustrated because he just doesn't get that we see them ALL the time and I don't need that extra time with his family, we see them enough as it is. I mean, this is HIS family, not mine! I don't want to see them every single day! This family is cray cray!
  • Also, he always turns it into a "why do you hate my family so much" issue. It's not that I hate or even dislike his family, I just can't stand the constant get togethers and pop-ins from his family!
  • I think you need to figure things out with your DH more then your MIL. She does it b/c she can, he lets her and she knows it. If you plan to have kids then this will get worse and they will overstep all the time. After you both cool down have another conversation about boundaries, this isn't about liking his family. 
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  • If that's your H's position, the only hope you have is to move. I'm not sure that will even cure the issue. It sounds like he's not listening to you and understanding you. This does not bode well for the future. No wanting to spend every moment with his family does not translate to hating them.
  • So did you point blank ask your DH why he feels that HIS mother and her needs is more important than you?  Or more important that your household?  Or more important than him?  


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  • I think you guys are right, this may be more of an issue with DH than MIL.

    He feels like I avoid them and that I hate them because I don't want to spend as much time with them. I'll admit that maybe I've been avoiding them a little lately, but they've literally invited us to stuff almost every day for the last month. Who wants to see anyone that much? Hell, I don't even want to see my own family that much and we get along great! It's just very overwhelming. Just because they don't have a life outside of themselves doesn't mean that I/we don't.

    I made right with the whole niece and nephew thing and invited them over for a sleepover tomorrow night because I don't want them to feel like I don't want them around or part of our life but he keeps bringing that up saying that I was in the wrong. I've admitted that maybe I was a little in the wrong, but I've fixed it (on the kids end at least).

    I tried to talk to him about this all again at lunch today and he blew up, became very defensive and said he can't magically come up with the money to move so if I want to move tomorrow I should go sell my car (I wasn't even hassling him about the move) or I should go stay at my mom's if I hate his family so much and can't deal with living next to them. I kept trying to tell him I don't hate his family but that's what it kept coming back to. I feel like he's just not willing to hear me out. I told him this has been a reoccurring issue in our relationship and we need to calmly talk about it if we want to solve the problem and move forward. He doesn't think talking about it will solve anything. I just don't know what to do. How can this marriage work if we can't agree on/compromise these types of issues?
  • I think you guys are right, this may be more of an issue with DH than MIL.

    He feels like I avoid them and that I hate them because I don't want to spend as much time with them. I'll admit that maybe I've been avoiding them a little lately, but they've literally invited us to stuff almost every day for the last month. Who wants to see anyone that much? Hell, I don't even want to see my own family that much and we get along great! It's just very overwhelming. Just because they don't have a life outside of themselves doesn't mean that I/we don't.

    I made right with the whole niece and nephew thing and invited them over for a sleepover tomorrow night because I don't want them to feel like I don't want them around or part of our life but he keeps bringing that up saying that I was in the wrong. I've admitted that maybe I was a little in the wrong, but I've fixed it (on the kids end at least).

    I tried to talk to him about this all again at lunch today and he blew up, became very defensive and said he can't magically come up with the money to move so if I want to move tomorrow I should go sell my car (I wasn't even hassling him about the move) or I should go stay at my mom's if I hate his family so much and can't deal with living next to them. I kept trying to tell him I don't hate his family but that's what it kept coming back to. I feel like he's just not willing to hear me out. I told him this has been a reoccurring issue in our relationship and we need to calmly talk about it if we want to solve the problem and move forward. He doesn't think talking about it will solve anything. I just don't know what to do. How can this marriage work if we can't agree on/compromise these types of issues?
  • Hmmmm...That is the difficult question. 

    I don't see how you will be happy if you can't discuss this rationally and come to a mutually beneficial agreement. You're marriage might survive, but not without a lot of resentment. 

    I would suggest therapy for the two of you. I didn't want to jump to that, but with his refusal to compromise, you need an outside voice to tell him this is not ok. 

    He needs to put your needs above these trivial situations. 

    As far as the kids are concerned, you're not their parents, it's ok of you don't want to spend every free moment with the kids...or your in laws for that matter.

    From now on, I wouldn't answer the door when MIL shows up and don't call her back. You don't have to have an excuse to be alone.
  • I agree, marriage counseling or therapy or even communication classes are in order if the two of you can't even have a discussion without it getting heated and blown out of proportion. I would not want to live my life like that. There will be a lot of things you will disagree about over the rest of your life, and life will be so much easier if you can learn now how to compromise and figure out win-win solutions sooner rather than later.
  • MtnLvr109 said:
    I think you guys are right, this may be more of an issue with DH than MIL.

    He feels like I avoid them and that I hate them because I don't want to spend as much time with them. I'll admit that maybe I've been avoiding them a little lately, but they've literally invited us to stuff almost every day for the last month. Who wants to see anyone that much? Hell, I don't even want to see my own family that much and we get along great! It's just very overwhelming. Just because they don't have a life outside of themselves doesn't mean that I/we don't.

    I made right with the whole niece and nephew thing and invited them over for a sleepover tomorrow night because I don't want them to feel like I don't want them around or part of our life but he keeps bringing that up saying that I was in the wrong. I've admitted that maybe I was a little in the wrong, but I've fixed it (on the kids end at least).

    I tried to talk to him about this all again at lunch today and he blew up, became very defensive and said he can't magically come up with the money to move so if I want to move tomorrow I should go sell my car (I wasn't even hassling him about the move) or I should go stay at my mom's if I hate his family so much and can't deal with living next to them. I kept trying to tell him I don't hate his family but that's what it kept coming back to. I feel like he's just not willing to hear me out. I told him this has been a reoccurring issue in our relationship and we need to calmly talk about it if we want to solve the problem and move forward. He doesn't think talking about it will solve anything. I just don't know what to do. How can this marriage work if we can't agree on/compromise these types of issues?

    The whole "you hate my family" thing is a very childish way to shut down a grown-up conversation. Everyone has the right to set boundaries and have private time. You weren't in the wrong for not accepting a pop-in visit when you weren't in the mood for it. You have the right to relax and be alone when you want!! My DH and I went to counselling because we couldn't agree on boundaries with his family and it helped him to realize that some of their behaviors and expectations were unrealistic and unhealthy. When you're raised in a family that does everything together, it can be hard to step outside it and realize that not everyone wants to be incorporated into the family "blob", and they have their own interests and relationships to attend to. Maybe try counselling with your DH, it really helped my DH. (And got him off my back about "hating" his family.)
  • Get you and your H into marriage counseling. He and his family are enmeshed and he won't see anything wrong with any of this. It's wrong, very wrong. Your H is putting others wants and needs over yours. That's a really BIG problem. While you can worry about him being resentful of you the really problem will be when you become resentful of him putting you last.
  • Whilst you need to address the situation with your husband, you need to sort out how you're going to cope with the kids/MIL in the meantime.

    Perhaps when it happens again and the kids get upset that they can't come over, you could phone your SIL when she gets out of work and explain 'MIL popped over with the kids earlier but I didn't know they were coming and they were a bit upset that they couldn't stay as I was doing XYZ. I just wanted to make sure they are ok now, maybe I can rearrange to see them at the weekend?' Go through their mum to arrange visits, also if your MIL turns nasty and tries to make you look like the bad guy, your SIL knows exactly what's happening. You don't have to tell SIL it's been happening a lot, and you don't need to make it about MIL - turn it round to concern for the kids.
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