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Dog bites 6 mo. old infant on foot then

dog is given away. Thoughts?

Re: Dog bites 6 mo. old infant on foot then

  • Would you get rid of the dog right away?
  • Eh... was the dog playing?  Or was it an aggressive bite?  If it was aggressive behavior that's likely to repeat itself, then absolutely, the dog would be gone.  If the dog was excited and made a mistake, then I'd probably try to work with the dog.  If time and money permitted, I'd consider obedience school or a dog-walker/sitter to occupy the dog and tucker him/her out.  But this is coming from someone who has no children and loves her dog like crazy.  So take this for what it's worth.
  • What was happening before/ during this biting incident? Jemma pretty much hit the nail on the head. Is this your child and your dog, who has been showing signs of jealousy but you've ignored until now? You don't get rid of the dog if it's fixable, like Jemma stated.
  • catsareniice1catsareniice1 member
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    edited October 2013
    A friend of mine's dog bit her kid on the foot. The attack was not super aggressive but somewhat. I guess she got scared and decided to get rid of him. Feel bad for her older daughter who loved the dog.
  • Who knows the infant could have been yanking its tail. It makes me sick when people get rid of their pets.
  • Not enough backstory.

    It could have been anything from a nip to a full fledged bite -- and we'd need to know what precipitated the incident.
  • No.  It depends on what caused the bite and how severe it was.  I would try to teach the baby to either stay away from the dog or how to "pet nicely".  I would also try to train the dog better (if the bite was out of true aggression or something) and/or try to keep them apart more until the baby got older.  
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  • In this case, the baby was 6 months old, not old enough to really be antagonizing a dog. And no matter how hard you try to teach kids to be gentle, they're going to be curious and possibly annoy an animal. To me, babies come first, no matter how much you love your pet. Lots of kids are injured by animals who were thought to be "gentle". I wouldn't feel comfortable having my baby around a dog who had bit him or her. I know it sucks for the dog, but I just wouldn't take the chance of it happening again and possibly being worse.
  • Leftie22 said:
    In this case, the baby was 6 months old, not old enough to really be antagonizing a dog. And no matter how hard you try to teach kids to be gentle, they're going to be curious and possibly annoy an animal. To me, babies come first, no matter how much you love your pet. Lots of kids are injured by animals who were thought to be "gentle". I wouldn't feel comfortable having my baby around a dog who had bit him or her. I know it sucks for the dog, but I just wouldn't take the chance of it happening again and possibly being worse.
    Then I seriously hope you don't currently have pets since you think they are disposable once a kid comes along.  You have to think of things like this before adopting the pet.  You have to work with the child and the animal. 
  • My dog has aggressive tendencies, and I am well aware of this. He knows I am Alpha, but a small child doesn't know how to convey that. Still, he is very patient with small children and much more forgiving of rough play than with adults. He loves children, but is never alone with them.

    Our easy going other dog though, if you pull his tail or fur, adult or child, he will snap at you. He is never alone with small children either.

    Dogs have every right to tell a child "that hurts or scares me" if no one is supervising that child or has taught them how to handle animals. A dog doesn't know that a child doesn't know better. If the dog bit your friend's child, it was your friend's fault for not supervising the child and dog. If the dog randomly viciously attacked the child, yeah ok, but bites are provoked 99.9% of the time.
  • ranzzo said:
    Leftie22 said:
    In this case, the baby was 6 months old, not old enough to really be antagonizing a dog. And no matter how hard you try to teach kids to be gentle, they're going to be curious and possibly annoy an animal. To me, babies come first, no matter how much you love your pet. Lots of kids are injured by animals who were thought to be "gentle". I wouldn't feel comfortable having my baby around a dog who had bit him or her. I know it sucks for the dog, but I just wouldn't take the chance of it happening again and possibly being worse.
    Then I seriously hope you don't currently have pets since you think they are disposable once a kid comes along.  You have to think of things like this before adopting the pet.  You have to work with the child and the animal. 

    How do you "work with" a 6 month old? It's a baby. It can't control its own body movements, let alone understand how to relate to a dog. It's up to the owner to train the dog properly, especially when the child is too young to be taught how to act around dogs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy pet owners out there who can't be bothered to train their dogs and can't control them. The dog might be better off in another family in that case, anyway.
  • ranzzo said:
    Leftie22 said:
    In this case, the baby was 6 months old, not old enough to really be antagonizing a dog. And no matter how hard you try to teach kids to be gentle, they're going to be curious and possibly annoy an animal. To me, babies come first, no matter how much you love your pet. Lots of kids are injured by animals who were thought to be "gentle". I wouldn't feel comfortable having my baby around a dog who had bit him or her. I know it sucks for the dog, but I just wouldn't take the chance of it happening again and possibly being worse.
    Then I seriously hope you don't currently have pets since you think they are disposable once a kid comes along.  You have to think of things like this before adopting the pet.  You have to work with the child and the animal. 
    And I seriously hope you don't have children since you think their safety and well being is less important than keeping your obligation to a pet.  I love my pets.  But if they seriously injured my child they'd be rehomed in a minute.  And no, ten years ago when I got my cats I was not thinking about how they'd interact with a child I wasn't sure would ever be born. 

    A coworker's dog bit his 18 month old in the face. The poor kid needed plastic surgery.  I'm disgusted that they didn't find the dog a new home.
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  • Leftie22 said:
    ranzzo said:
    Leftie22 said:
    In this case, the baby was 6 months old, not old enough to really be antagonizing a dog. And no matter how hard you try to teach kids to be gentle, they're going to be curious and possibly annoy an animal. To me, babies come first, no matter how much you love your pet. Lots of kids are injured by animals who were thought to be "gentle". I wouldn't feel comfortable having my baby around a dog who had bit him or her. I know it sucks for the dog, but I just wouldn't take the chance of it happening again and possibly being worse.
    Then I seriously hope you don't currently have pets since you think they are disposable once a kid comes along.  You have to think of things like this before adopting the pet.  You have to work with the child and the animal. 

    How do you "work with" a 6 month old? It's a baby. It can't control its own body movements, let alone understand how to relate to a dog. It's up to the owner to train the dog properly, especially when the child is too young to be taught how to act around dogs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy pet owners out there who can't be bothered to train their dogs and can't control them. The dog might be better off in another family in that case, anyway.
    Also, sometimes training can only do so much. Ofc if the dog was aggressive, it's one thing. But a lot of breeds (any kind of terrier usually, herding breeds ESPECIALLY) nip cause it's ingrained into how their brain works. I'm sure you've heard, but some breeds just shouldn't be around small children, because for those dogs, (what they've been built to do through what jobs they're bred for), when things get "out of hand" for them, they nip to get things back under control. Like a herding dog nipping to get a sheep to go where it wants to. It's not "aggression" really. And just because they're raised in a home in suburbia doesn't mean they forget these practices. Of course every dogs different, yes, yes.
  • As an animal behaviorist, I always remind people that you can only expect any animal to understand humans so much. Dealing with ANY animal also requires a human to understand the animal. There are many ways that animals react and communicate that we tend to anthropomorphize (give a human emotion to a non human). We see a dog nip/bite a child and insist the animal must be violent and angry and therefore be destroyed or reformed. What really may have happened is that the child touched the animal in a way that was hurtful, or perhaps the animal is sensitive in a certain area (this includes light or sound). We cannot assume an animal will always be sweet and loving, nor can we assume that an animal will always be violent. Regardless of the story, every child should always be fully supervised when with any animal. When I used to milk cows, the farmers daughter (who was about 6 then) would try to help us. We forbid her from moving the herd because she was not 100% knowledgable about cow behavior and blind spots. Also, if an adult got kicked it would probably hit us in the thigh and would really suck, but if she got kicked, it would be in the head or chest and would possibly be fatal. People need to be more aware of what is going on on both the human side and the animal side. I'd also like to add that people need to be aware of individual animals personalities. Some are skiddish, or tend to be protective. Others may be easy going and friendly. Many people ignore these things and tend to think that just because they are used to an animals personality doesn't mean that everyone will be aware and okay with if.
  • As an animal behaviorist, I always remind people that you can only expect any animal to understand humans so much. Dealing with ANY animal also requires a human to understand the animal. There are many ways that animals react and communicate that we tend to anthropomorphize (give a human emotion to a non human). We see a dog nip/bite a child and insist the animal must be violent and angry and therefore be destroyed or reformed. What really may have happened is that the child touched the animal in a way that was hurtful, or perhaps the animal is sensitive in a certain area (this includes light or sound). We cannot assume an animal will always be sweet and loving, nor can we assume that an animal will always be violent. Regardless of the story, every child should always be fully supervised when with any animal. When I used to milk cows, the farmers daughter (who was about 6 then) would try to help us. We forbid her from moving the herd because she was not 100% knowledgable about cow behavior and blind spots. Also, if an adult got kicked it would probably hit us in the thigh and would really suck, but if she got kicked, it would be in the head or chest and would possibly be fatal. People need to be more aware of what is going on on both the human side and the animal side. I'd also like to add that people need to be aware of individual animals personalities. Some are skiddish, or tend to be protective. Others may be easy going and friendly. Many people ignore these things and tend to think that just because they are used to an animals personality doesn't mean that everyone will be aware and okay with if.
    This is how you work with a 6 month old around a pet.  You supervise them.
  • Dogs are a great part of the family, they are not people though. Those who think their dog is a person are often the ones with troubles they don't want to admit to. You should be showing your dog how to behave, not the other way around.

    If I had a 6 month old and could not safely step out of the room without worrying my dog was going to bite my child, the dog would be gone. Constant supervision of your child and dog, until the child is old enough to really be trusted not to tease, poke, or spook the dog is unrealistic. If other people want to, more power to them. I don't know anyone with that kind of time. Especially if you have more than one kid.
  • ranzzoranzzo member
    Third Anniversary 10 Comments 5 Love Its
    edited October 2013
    I get that you can't be around to supervise the interaction between an animal and a child 24/7, but there is a responsibility to the animal that has no choice in the matter.  One option is to not adopt a pet until after the kid is of an age where they can be taught how to interact with said animal.  It is your choice as the pet owner and the parent as to when to adopt said animal, think hard about what could and could not happen before making that choice.  Animals are treated as disposable, that is a large part of the reason why shelters are so overcrowded. 

    Edited to change a word.
  • ranzzo said:
    I get that you can't be around to supervise the interaction between an animal and a child 24/7, but there is a responsibility to the animal that has no choice in the matter.  One option is to not adopt a pet until after the kid is of an age where they can be taught how to interact with said animal.  It is your choice as the pet owner and the parent as to when to adopt said animal, think hard about what could and could not happen before making that choice.  Animals are treated as disposable, that is a large part of the reason why shelters are so overcrowded. 

    Edited to change a word.
    Or, if you know that you want to have kids, adopt a dog that is easy going and good with children.
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  • ranzzo said:
    I get that you can't be around to supervise the interaction between an animal and a child 24/7, but there is a responsibility to the animal that has no choice in the matter.  One option is to not adopt a pet until after the kid is of an age where they can be taught how to interact with said animal.  It is your choice as the pet owner and the parent as to when to adopt said animal, think hard about what could and could not happen before making that choice.  Animals are treated as disposable, that is a large part of the reason why shelters are so overcrowded. 

    Edited to change a word.
    Or, if you know that you want to have kids, adopt a dog that is easy going and good with children.
    Perfect world, you are both absolutely right. 

    I had to give up a dog I had for years because of his aggressive behavior. I didn't have kids, but I wasn't going to have him attack anyone (the behavior was escalating). I did work with a vet and a behaviorist. It was a horrible situation that broke my heart. I spent months trying to retrain him. Finally, my vet asked if I thought he was just weird or not. The dog was weird. I've had many, and something was off about him. When I really looked at the situation, I knew it.

    I am a huge dog lover, and have had many dogs before and after, so to tell someone they shouldn't have pets if a kid will be more important really rubs me the wrong way. I know there are many people out there who adopt pets they shouldn't, there's no good way to stop that. However, not everyone who gives up a dog did it without a lot if thought, work, and heartache. 

    Reminds me of another debate... ;)
  • Kyselova said:


    Leftie22 said:


    ranzzo said:


    Leftie22 said:

    In this case, the baby was 6 months old, not old enough to really be antagonizing a dog. And no matter how hard you try to teach kids to be gentle, they're going to be curious and possibly annoy an animal. To me, babies come first, no matter how much you love your pet. Lots of kids are injured by animals who were thought to be "gentle". I wouldn't feel comfortable having my baby around a dog who had bit him or her. I know it sucks for the dog, but I just wouldn't take the chance of it happening again and possibly being worse.

    Then I seriously hope you don't currently have pets since you think they are disposable once a kid comes along.  You have to think of things like this before adopting the pet.  You have to work with the child and the animal. 


    How do you "work with" a 6 month old? It's a baby. It can't control its own body movements, let alone understand how to relate to a dog. It's up to the owner to train the dog properly, especially when the child is too young to be taught how to act around dogs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of lazy pet owners out there who can't be bothered to train their dogs and can't control them. The dog might be better off in another family in that case, anyway.


    Also, sometimes training can only do so much. Ofc if the dog was aggressive, it's one thing. But a lot of breeds (any kind of terrier usually, herding breeds ESPECIALLY) nip cause it's ingrained into how their brain works. I'm sure you've heard, but some breeds just shouldn't be around small children, because for those dogs, (what they've been built to do through what jobs they're bred for), when things get "out of hand" for them, they nip to get things back under control. Like a herding dog nipping to get a sheep to go where it wants to. It's not "aggression" really. And just because they're raised in a home in suburbia doesn't mean they forget these practices. Of course every dogs different, yes, yes.
    Yes you need to watch out for herding breeds and terriers but I wouldn't say especially. Any dog (or cat) can lash out because they were hurt/ scared. Our friends cat lashed out and cut up their toddler pretty bad. They are pissed at the cat. Now they tell us the cats and the toddler are no longer allowed in the same room. FYI the incident happened unsupervised.

    I was born into a home with a Corgi (herding dog). He was incredibly "jealous" when I was first brought home. I don't know what my parents did but when I was old enough to crawl we were inseparable. I used to ride on his back like a horse when I was small enough to. My point being is you never know if the pet will lash out or not. Every pet/ child interaction should be supervised or handled accordingly. The pet shouldn't be cast aside if it isn't the issue.

  • doeydo said:


    ranzzo said:

    I get that you can't be around to supervise the interaction between an animal and a child 24/7, but there is a responsibility to the animal that has no choice in the matter.  One option is to not adopt a pet until after the kid is of an age where they can be taught how to interact with said animal.  It is your choice as the pet owner and the parent as to when to adopt said animal, think hard about what could and could not happen before making that choice.  Animals are treated as disposable, that is a large part of the reason why shelters are so overcrowded. 

    Edited to change a word.

    Or, if you know that you want to have kids, adopt a dog that is easy going and good with children.
    Perfect world, you are both absolutely right. 

    I had to give up a dog I had for years because of his aggressive behavior. I didn't have kids, but I wasn't going to have him attack anyone (the behavior was escalating). I did work with a vet and a behaviorist. It was a horrible situation that broke my heart. I spent months trying to retrain him. Finally, my vet asked if I thought he was just weird or not. The dog was weird. I've had many, and something was off about him. When I really looked at the situation, I knew it.

    I am a huge dog lover, and have had many dogs before and after, so to tell someone they shouldn't have pets if a kid will be more important really rubs me the wrong way. I know there are many people out there who adopt pets they shouldn't, there's no good way to stop that. However, not everyone who gives up a dog did it without a lot if thought, work, and heartache. 

    Reminds me of another debate... ;)

    Sorry you had to give up your dog. It sounds like you did your best.
  • ranzzo said:
    I get that you can't be around to supervise the interaction between an animal and a child 24/7, but there is a responsibility to the animal that has no choice in the matter.  One option is to not adopt a pet until after the kid is of an age where they can be taught how to interact with said animal.  It is your choice as the pet owner and the parent as to when to adopt said animal, think hard about what could and could not happen before making that choice.  Animals are treated as disposable, that is a large part of the reason why shelters are so overcrowded. 

    Edited to change a word.
    Then no one of child bearing age should be allowed to have pets.   Sometimes animals predate children or even decisions to have children.  I rehomed a cat when I was pregnant with my son. I didn't know when I adopted him as a kitten that he was insanely jealous and immediately tried to suffocate any baby he saw.  It's just unrealistic to never have the child out of your site.  People need to pee.  People need to shower.  Animals can be sneaky and resourceful.  I'm not saying people should just give away their animals if they have kids.  But I am saying child safety trumps pets. If my H was a danger to my child, I'd get rid of him too.
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  • Kimbus22 said:


    ranzzo said:

    I get that you can't be around to supervise the interaction between an animal and a child 24/7, but there is a responsibility to the animal that has no choice in the matter.  One option is to not adopt a pet until after the kid is of an age where they can be taught how to interact with said animal.  It is your choice as the pet owner and the parent as to when to adopt said animal, think hard about what could and could not happen before making that choice.  Animals are treated as disposable, that is a large part of the reason why shelters are so overcrowded. 

    Edited to change a word.

    Then no one of child bearing age should be allowed to have pets.   Sometimes animals predate children or even decisions to have children.  I rehomed a cat when I was pregnant with my son. I didn't know when I adopted him as a kitten that he was insanely jealous and immediately tried to suffocate any baby he saw.  It's just unrealistic to never have the child out of your site.  People need to pee.  People need to shower.  Animals can be sneaky and resourceful.  I'm not saying people should just give away their animals if they have kids.  But I am saying child safety trumps pets. If my H was a danger to my child, I'd get rid of him too.


    I agree with @Kimbus22 on everything. I've heard horror stories of dogs ripping babies apart when Mom/Dad or whoever stepped out for just a second. Finding a new home for a animal is often better for the animal than not. Keeping a dog who will bite or hurt a child protects the animal just as much. Think about it, if the dog bites a child and had a record with animal control or whatever agency at some point they will put the animal down. It's a two way street on protection IMO.


  • Dogs have every right to tell a child "that hurts or scares me" if no one is supervising that child or has taught them how to handle animals. A dog doesn't know that a child doesn't know better. If the dog bit your friend's child, it was your friend's fault for not supervising the child and dog. If the dog randomly viciously attacked the child, yeah ok, but bites are provoked 99.9% of the time.

    I agree with this and believe it applies 90% of the time. That being said, I understand that there are extreme situations where no amount of training (of dog or kid) pays off. I think those are few and far between. But if I felt it was absolutely necessary for the safety of my family, then I would personally find the dog a new home where he would be loved and appreciated. I would try to keep him with family if possible. There is a big difference between thoughtfully rehoming a pet and dropping it off at the shelter. It would still break my heart.
  • I wouldn't rehome the dog because I would blame myself for not supervising them when it happened. I wouldn't leave my dog and baby where they could interact with each other until the baby was old enough to understand how to treat the dog. 


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  • I found out there was a toy involved. I guess a toy was near the baby's foot. I would not get rid of the dog either.
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