Can someone remind me... (Insurgent spoilers...no Allegiant spoilers)

Young_Love · October 2013

I didn't re-read Insurgent. I feel like I remember the basics, but I'm lost on a detail.

Why did Edith Prior/the people who made the video feel like the faction community was going to breed a lot of Divergents if they are divided in factions and basically killed for being Divergent?

myJunegirls · October 2013

Thanks for asking this.

:waits for answer:
One of the MANY things confusing me about this book so far.

Young_Love · October 2013

DOES NO ONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS?!

myJunegirls · October 2013

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Lauren620 · October 2013

I don't remember any details about this at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't there, but I don't remember it.

sweetrhythms · October 2013

Young_Love said:
DOES NO ONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS?!

I sure as hell don't! I'm waiting for an answer too and I'm getting to be pretty sure there isn't one.

myJunegirls · October 2013

Lauren620 said:

I don't remember any details about this at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't there, but I don't remember it.

I knew it! I don't even remember anything about the Divergent saving the outside world either so clearly I suck at this series in general.

MrsC7 · October 2013

I have a pretty good memory despite not re-reading. I feel like she did not explain this at all.

All she said was that a day will come when Divergent become abundant. That is when Amity should unlock the gates and let everyone free. She totally did not discuss why Divergent would multiply if they were targeted for elimination.

Young_Love · October 2013

MrsC7 said:

I have a pretty good memory despite not re-reading. I feel like she did not explain this at all.

All she said was that a day will come when Divergent become abundant. That is when Amity should unlock the gates and let everyone free. She totally did not discuss why Divergent would multiply if they were targeted for elimination.

It's a society set up so that Divergent would have to live in hiding and would not be welcome. Why not build a society that would foster and develop Divergent vs one that works directly against developing Divergent?

Lauren620 · October 2013

myJunegirls said:

Lauren620 said:

I don't remember any details about this at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't there, but I don't remember it.

I knew it! I don't even remember anything about the Divergent saving the outside world either so clearly I suck at this series in general.

I don't think you suck at the series, I think that it wasn't explained. Didn't you reread this with Madison too?

MrsC7 · October 2013

Young_Love said:

MrsC7 said:

I have a pretty good memory despite not re-reading. I feel like she did not explain this at all.

All she said was that a day will come when Divergent become abundant. That is when Amity should unlock the gates and let everyone free. She totally did not discuss why Divergent would multiply if they were targeted for elimination.

It's a society set up so that Divergent would have to live in hiding and would not be welcome. Why not build a society that would foster and develop Divergent vs one that works directly against developing Divergent?

Unless that was not its original intention. Maybe it became that way under Jeanine's rule (or her predecessor)? I can't remember the leadership lineage from Divergent - who was the leader before Jeanine? How long have the factions been around?

myJunegirls · October 2013

Lauren620 said:

myJunegirls said:

Lauren620 said:

I don't remember any details about this at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't there, but I don't remember it.

I knew it! I don't even remember anything about the Divergent saving the outside world either so clearly I suck at this series in general.

I don't think you suck at the series, I think that it wasn't explained. Didn't you reread this with Madison too?

I read it- then Madison decided to read the series. It was supposed to be the next Madison Monday series. Then she went away camping and read the first 2 books in less than 4 days while away! She loved them- hence no Madison Monday.

hopecounts · October 2013

The answer is not in Insurgent. But it is answered in Allegiant.

Lauren620 · October 2013

myJunegirls said:

Lauren620 said:

myJunegirls said:

Lauren620 said:

I don't remember any details about this at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't there, but I don't remember it.

I knew it! I don't even remember anything about the Divergent saving the outside world either so clearly I suck at this series in general.

I don't think you suck at the series, I think that it wasn't explained. Didn't you reread this with Madison too?

I read it- then Madison decided to read the series. It was supposed to be the next Madison Monday series. Then she went away camping and read the first 2 books in less than 4 days while away! She loved them- hence no Madison Monday.

Got it. Is she excited for Allegiant?

MrsC7 · October 2013

hopecounts said:

The answer is not in Insurgent. But it is answered in Allegiant.

SO THERE IS AN ANSWER?

Young_Love · October 2013

hopecounts said:

The answer is not in Insurgent. But it is answered in Allegiant.

Ok, good.

I'm curious why no one in the story is questioning it.

myJunegirls · October 2013

Lauren620 said:

myJunegirls said:

Lauren620 said:

myJunegirls said:

Lauren620 said:

I don't remember any details about this at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't there, but I don't remember it.

I knew it! I don't even remember anything about the Divergent saving the outside world either so clearly I suck at this series in general.

I don't think you suck at the series, I think that it wasn't explained. Didn't you reread this with Madison too?

I read it- then Madison decided to read the series. It was supposed to be the next Madison Monday series. Then she went away camping and read the first 2 books in less than 4 days while away! She loved them- hence no Madison Monday.

Got it. Is she excited for Allegiant?

Understatement! She has been counting down. Of course, she's been barraged with homework this week so she only got to chapter 6 last night (and that was with staying up much too late)

hopecounts · October 2013

MrsC7 said:

hopecounts said:

The answer is not in Insurgent. But it is answered in Allegiant.

SO THERE IS AN ANSWER?

There is and it isn't a 'lets tie this up with a pat answer' explanation. at least to me it fits with the info we had up to that point.

SusieBW · October 2013

I mean, outside of what is and is not in the books, isn't it sort of human nature to be divergent? I don't think anyone anywhere naturally fits nicely into a little personality box.

jlq2005 · October 2013

Ya I just re-read Insurgent and there was no mention of that anywhere.

hopecounts · October 2013

SusieBW said:

I mean, outside of what is and is not in the books, isn't it sort of human nature to be divergent? I don't think anyone anywhere naturally fits nicely into a little personality box.

Again Allegiant explains the reason for factions which gets into your question.

quickstepstar · October 2013

I just finished Insurgent, and here is my theory: The created the factions to foster one virtue, but they were hoping that in the process a few people would become more than just one virtue. But because of the video, people (Jeanine) became afraid of the Divergent, since they though that if there were a lot of Divergents, the society will be over as they know it, hence they started killing them. I think the original intent was lost though. Now on to Allegeant to find out if I am right!

84Lauren · October 2013

Young_Love said:

hopecounts said:

The answer is not in Insurgent. But it is answered in Allegiant.

Ok, good.

I'm curious why no one in the story is questioning it.

I'm only about 100 pages in to Allegiant, but this is one of my BIGGEST BEEFS with both the end of Insurgent and now Allegiant.

I am perfectly, totally fine with having a lot of stuff up in the air, with finding stuff out as I go and understanding there are lots of unanswered questions. But somehow the way these books are written makes me feel like I must have just missed something - NOT like I'm waiting to find something out.

InLovewSB · October 2013

I just finished a post Allegiant reread of Divergent. I thought Roth made it pretty clear in Divergent that it wasn't until Jeanine assumed the leadership position in Erudite that they began tracking down Divergent and killing them. I don't feel comfortable saying more without the risk of Allegiant spoilers. But this fits together with what it learned about the simulation serum and Tris' mother in Allegiant.

Divergent makes it clear that the killing of Divergents wasn't always happening. It was more or less only happening for a generation.

Young_Love · October 2013

84Lauren said:

Young_Love said:

hopecounts said:

The answer is not in Insurgent. But it is answered in Allegiant.

Ok, good.

I'm curious why no one in the story is questioning it.

I'm only about 100 pages in to Allegiant, but this is one of my BIGGEST BEEFS with both the end of Insurgent and now Allegiant.

I am perfectly, totally fine with having a lot of stuff up in the air, with finding stuff out as I go and understanding there are lots of unanswered questions. But somehow the way these books are written makes me feel like I must have just missed something - NOT like I'm waiting to find something out.

YES. Like in the Raven Boys books, I hardly have any idea what's going on. But I trust that Maggie Stiefvater DOES and she's going to slowly provide that info when it's needed.

I don't have that same trust with V-Roth.

Can someone remind me... (Insurgent spoilers...no Allegiant spoilers)

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