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How would you handle this...

We have a neighborhood of about 60 homes.

On my street, the 20-something year old daughter, who lives at home with her parents, is wrapped up in drugs. Twice in the past 3 months, between 5-6 police officers have rolled up to the home. The first time was to make an arrest. This last time, which happened today, I am not sure about, but some of the officers had their weapons drawn as they approached the home.

This girl is hanging out with some rough characters.

I placed a call to our non-emergency line for the police station and spoke with an officer involved with the sole purpose of finding out what neighbors need to be aware of to keep our homes and children safe. He said that it's likely more behaviors will be occurring and that they will be making more visits to this residence. He also advised locking doors, lighting at night, etc.

I asked him about a neighborhood FYI flyer and he said that was a great idea. And to please call 911 for suspicious cars or behaviors.

 The parents of the girl are heart-broken over these things. I don't wish to hurt their feelings and have their home be "labeled" anymore than it already is, but I also want people/my neighbors on the street to be extra vigilant. Here are my questions:

1. Would you make a flyer?

2. On this flyer would you put the house address number? Yes or no.

Re: How would you handle this...

  • Oh and BTW, I am a SAHM and we have a huge front window and we are always in our front room and all the cop cars were in front of my home...so I wasn't spying before anybody accuses me of that. Or I get the MYOB tone.
  • NO - I would not put their house number on the flyer. I would imagine most people know who it is, or at least the people in the immediate vicinity do.

     If you do a flyer, don't put one on their house, though.

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  • Do not put their address on a flyer. 
  • What is the purpose of the flyer? I'm willing to bet everyone is already aware of the issues (especially if the cops are showing up) and which house it is. I probably wouldn't bother with a flyer, because that could just be shaming to the family and further ostracize them from the community, which doesn't do anyone any good. If you do make a flyer, don't put their address on it. I'm not sure what a flyer would accomplish though. Everyone with common sense knows that you should lock your door, and beyond that you don't have much control over what your neighbours are doing.
  • So, you feel terrible for these neighbors. You're not spying. You just want to make sure everyone in the neighborhood knows the police have been to this home repeatedly (just in case someone missed it!) and tattle to the neighborhood about what kind of people an adult in your neighborhood keeps company with. 

    If there's a crime in progress, call the police. Otherwise, leave your poor neighbors alone. They have enough heartache and embarrassment without you shining a spot light on them. 

    So, yes, MYOB.
  • SJU1982SJU1982 member
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    "What is the purpose of the flyer? I'm willing to bet everyone is already aware of the issues (especially if the cops are showing up) and which house it is. I probably wouldn't bother with a flyer, because that could just be shaming to the family and further ostracize them from the community, which doesn't do anyone any good. If you do make a flyer, don't put their address on it. I'm not sure what a flyer would accomplish though. Everyone with common sense knows that you should lock your door, and beyond that you don't have much control over what your neighbours are doing." - Leftie22

    While your concern is valid, I agree with the above poster.  I'm sure most people are already aware of the situation, and a little common sense should help keep them safe.  Distributing a flyer is only going to demoralize the good members of that particular family, and it sounds like they already have a lot on their plate
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  • When I was younger, we used to have super duper nosy neighbors living down the street. I used to complain about them to my mother every time I would so much as sit on our front porch while they would walk past gawking at me and my friends like we were doing something wrong. She had this to say: 'You should be happy to have neighbors like this because if they see something happen, they would say something (call the police, call the fire department, etc).' So yea, I see value in having people like you in the neighborhood, but I would hate to live next door to you.

    That said, if you were to distribute this flyer to the neighborhood, you would definitely be overstepping your bounds. It's bad enough that these people have to deal with their wayward drug addicted daughter and you want to further shame them by putting their address on this flyer and distributing it to everyone else like the neighborhood busy body tattle-tale? How would you feel if someone distributed a flyer about you and your family?

    I´m pretty sure the rest of the neighbors have seen what goes on - you are not the only one with a window, you know. Just lock your doors, and mind your beeswax already. If they bother you personally, then call the police. Otherwise, let them deal with their problems.

  • So, update...it was a burglary in progress...tied to drugs.

    And, no not everyone knows about this on the street. The way the road curves, many people unless they lives in the stretch of homes we are in would not know about this because they cannot see the home.

    Kinda hard to MYOB when three officers are in your front yard with weapons drawn...in plain view of your front window in broad daylight. I didn't even have to leave my desk chair.

    Our front room is our office and the desk faces the street. Kinda hard to miss...

     

     

  • Yea, it's right in front of your house, I get it. That still doesn't give you the right to print out a flyer, distrubute it to the rest of the neighborhood, and further shame these people.

    Seems to me that you are trying to justify what you probably are going to do regardless of what anyone here tells you.

    I find it amazing how you've told other people here to MYOB in other situation that have been posted in these forums, but when it comes to other people telling you to do the same in your situation, you continue to justify that what you are doing is right. Oh, the irony.
  • And, no not everyone knows about this on the street. The way the road curves, many people unless they lives in the stretch of homes we are in would not know about this because they cannot see the home.

     
    In our neighborhood, DH is on a text list w/ a bunch of other guys and we do hear about things through this.  Like a recent issue of a bunch of tires being slashed. 

    I DO like to know about this stuff - so on that front, I do get where you're coming from.

    But even so, I don't know that this is really YOUR JOB to inform them.  At least in the way you want to do it.  You seem to kind of what to shame these people, to make it known that the police have been out because of them.  For the fact that you'd even THINK to put their address on the flyer.... you're looking to shame them. 

    THAT bothers me. 

    It's one thing to genuinely want to say "Here are some tips to keep yourself safe", or if you wanted to talk about general crime in the area.  But if you're going to go down the path of "A house on my street" - don't do it. 



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  • Sillygirl45Sillygirl45 member
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    You're going to do what you're going to do. It's a bad idea. You can justify it all you want, but if you're too specific, I would think it borders on harassment. Especially if you include a house number. 

    This isn't some crack house. If it were, I would say harass them right out of the neighborhood. These are people trying the best they can. Leave. Them. Alone.
  • Don't you think people would have heard by word of mouth?
  • You're going to do what you're going to do. It's a bad idea. You can justify it all you want, but if you're too specific, I would think it borders on harassment. Especially if you include a house number. 

    This isn't some crack house. If it were, I would say harass them right out of the neighborhood. These are people trying the best they can. Leave. Them. Alone.
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  • We have a neighborhood watch email list. At one of our National Night Outs people were asked if they wanted to join the mailing list. One person manages it who sends a crime report sort of update (no names or addresses) to those who expressed interest every few months or so or if a particular rash of crime starts to happen. I believe she goes thru the police liason as part of the neighborhood watch.  I don't mind getting it, it keeps me on the lookout for suspicious things, etc.

    Perhaps instead of focusing on this one incident you approach it in a more global manner. Get involved in a neighborhood watch, volunteer to help at the next National Night Out, whatever you think might benefit the neighborhood in general, not just narrowing in on this one household.

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  • Yea, it's right in front of your house, I get it. That still doesn't give you the right to print out a flyer, distrubute it to the rest of the neighborhood, and further shame these people. Seems to me that you are trying to justify what you probably are going to do regardless of what anyone here tells you. I find it amazing how you've told other people here to MYOB in other situation that have been posted in these forums, but when it comes to other people telling you to do the same in your situation, you continue to justify that what you are doing is right. Oh, the irony.

    For your reading comprehension...from my OP, because you did not read it or you didn't see this part. I did not say I was going to make a flyer. I asked the forum, "Would you make a flyer?"

    Distinction there...see it?

    I sincerely doubt that you all who said "MYOB" would be doing that if cops had guns drawn in front of your home.

    I have not made a flyer and I am not planning on it due to more information I and another neighbor now have from the police. But also, see OP - the officer I spoke with on the phone said a flyer would be good if I wanted to do one, which is why I wrote this post in the first place to ask what the consensus was about even going that route.

    So if you're gonna get snarky - then at least read carefully before posting the snark. That's fair.

     

    But, to the PP who tied this in with the neighborhood watch point - I think you have a great idea and I thought your post was very helpful.

     


     

  • Meh, I don't think people are trying to be snarky. They are being direct and trying to get you to see another side.

    It's the internet. You ask a question, unbiased people answer. Most likely people who are weighing your position and your neighbors and thinking how they would feel in this situation. 

    I see where you're coming from and as I said, if this were a crack house, harass them right out of the neighborhood. That's not the case. 

    I used to live in a condo where we did have things like this happening from time to time. It wasn't fun. Usually the offending parties moved at some point, or things settled down for one reason or another. Often because they realized the cops would be called if there was anything questionable going on. 

    If no crimes have been committed against anyone other than the neighbors with an issue, keep your guard and hope the family gets some help.

    If there has been a rash of crime (related or not) look into organizing a community watch.

    Berating people's comprehension isn't helpful. It makes you look petty that everyone isn't agreeing with you. I assumed if you posted here you wanted honest answers. That's what you got.
  • I don't think people were being snarky, and I know I didn't intend to be - I just gave my honest opinion. And I HAVE lived in a neighborhood where I had rough neighbors, and have come home to find part of my block taped off and police telling me I can't go in my house. (They found bomb-making equipment in the house across the street from me.) The police are regularly at my current neighbour's house, because her son is always getting into trouble. I still wouldn't make a flyer. I keep my door locked, as usual, and keep my eyes open for mischief, as usual. There's not much else you can do in this situation. My personal thought is that a flyer could do more harm than good, by turning it into a "everyone against this house" neighborhood. That's not snark, just how I've felt in a similar situation. There are bad houses in every neighbourhood.
  • R.WilsonnyR.Wilsonny member
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    Attacking me for my reading comprehension isn't going to change the fact that you are a big hypocrite, MommyLiberty....I've seen plenty of snark come out of you and find it highly amusing that you can dish it out but can't take it.

    Oh yea, and a neighborhood watch is a good idea if you are that concerned for the safety of your community, although something tells me that you are more concerned with shaming this particular house. I actually feel sorry for your neighbors.

    I'm done with this thread. Carry on.
  • I've felt sorry for your neighbours for a long time now. The stuff you post about and how deeply you try to involve yourself in other people's business is just weird.


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  • I have a criminal justice background. My advice would be to not post a flyer since that could anger your neighbors, and they could direct that anger toward you if they found out where the flyer originated from. It sounds like this problem that is occurring is between your neighbors and the police department, while it is a scary inconvenience to you, your neighbors behavior and actions are not directed at you. If I were you I would do what the officer said, lock your doors, lock your vehicle, and make sure your house is well lit. It may also be beneficial of you to post a security sign in your yard like an ADT sign or even a beware of dog sign (even if you do not have a dog). Also, be aware of your surroundings when you are coming and going from the house. Protect yourself and your family, but make yourself invisible to the problem neighbors, do not call attention to yourself in a way that could anger them.
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