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I Need Advice

I posted this on The Bump, but I thought I might get a little more help from over here.

 

I have an older brother and he has my only niece. Since she's been born (Jan.1,2010), I've gotten her something for every Christmas and Birthday- even just because gifts at times. I'm a proud Aunt, I wouldn't have it any other way. FF to 2012, when I have my first child and making big brother a first-time uncle. He bought DS's stroller as a baby shower gift in May of last year. However, his first Christmas has passed and first birthday- he received nothing from him. Now, it's coming upon another Christmas and I've already asked big brother for a list of my niece's wants. However, he hasn't asked about my LO. We have a pretty good relationship, so I don't know how to go about this. Big brother has a great job as a Corrections Officer at Riker's Island in NYC and lives with his Mom- he looks out for his GF's son and God-sons, ect. So I know money isn't an issue. Do I just leave it alone like I did last year, and not say anything? Or should I casually mention some things that DS may like? I was thinking of saying, "Do you plan on getting your nephew anything?" I really don't know what actions I should take and any advice would be helpful.

Re: I Need Advice

  • This is odd. Who knows what's going through his head?

    I would leave this alone.  Even if you say "Such and such would be great for our kiddo's room or even a savings bond" it is very likely he may not follow through and get the gift.

    Hopefully this will pass before your son is old enough to see that the cousins are getting gifts from Unc but not him. GL.
  • I would probably just keep it to myself.  No one really has to give gifts.  It is extremely weird that he wouldn't, but there really isn't much to do, IMO.  Kind of surprised that your Mom hasn't said anything to him. I sure know my Mom would be the one to say something if anyone was going to.  Lol.  Good luck and maybe he will figure it out on his own.  Best wishes.. xo

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  • So I know money isn't an issue.

    Leave it alone.  To the above specifically - you can't assume this.  He may feel a different level of responsibility to those kids than he does to your son, and in turn, feels he "has" to give to them.  And in turn - money COULD be an issue.  That's not your place to judge. 

    A gift is given because the giver wants to give it.  It's absolutely not something to tell the giver "you need to give a gift".  That kind of defeats the purpose.

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  • let it be.

    If you want to buy your niece a gift, buy one. But don't make it a tit for tat thing. 

  • So I know money isn't an issue.

    Leave it alone.  To the above specifically - you can't assume this.  He may feel a different level of responsibility to those kids than he does to your son, and in turn, feels he "has" to give to them.  And in turn - money COULD be an issue.  That's not your place to judge. 

    A gift is given because the giver wants to give it.  It's absolutely not something to tell the giver "you need to give a gift".  That kind of defeats the purpose.

    Ok. Thanks.
  • I would probably just keep it to myself.  No one really has to give gifts.  It is extremely weird that he wouldn't, but there really isn't much to do, IMO.  Kind of surprised that your Mom hasn't said anything to him. I sure know my Mom would be the one to say something if anyone was going to.  Lol.  Good luck and maybe he will figure it out on his own.  Best wishes.. xo

    Yea, I'll leave it alone! I wouldn't be surprised if my Mom does perk up about this though, she is definitely the type lol. Thank you!!


  • SusanH. said:

    let it be.

    If you want to buy your niece a gift, buy one. But don't make it a tit for tat thing. 


    Not making it a tit for tat thing, I will continue to do for her regardless. Thanks for the advice.
  • I totally know how you feel. I got into a big fight with H about whether or not we should get his brother a wedding gift because he didn't get us one, and then a birthday gift because he didn't get H one. Do what you feel is right. Eventually maybe your son will be at that stage where no question is off limits and he asks his uncle where his present is. ;)
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  • I totally know how you feel. I got into a big fight with H about whether or not we should get his brother a wedding gift because he didn't get us one, and then a birthday gift because he didn't get H one. Do what you feel is right. Eventually maybe your son will be at that stage where no question is off limits and he asks his uncle where his present is. ;)

    Exactly! I know it shouldn't be tit for tat, and I certainly will continue to buy for my niece but I can't help but to feel like we're being slighted in some kind of way. If anything, I think the nephew (your only one) should be on the same level as GF's son, but that's just me. Thanks!
  • I would probably just keep it to myself.  No one really has to give gifts.  It is extremely weird that he wouldn't, but there really isn't much to do, IMO.  Kind of surprised that your Mom hasn't said anything to him. I sure know my Mom would be the one to say something if anyone was going to.  Lol.  Good luck and maybe he will figure it out on his own.  Best wishes.. xo

    Yea, I'll leave it alone! I wouldn't be surprised if my Mom does perk up about this though, she is definitely the type lol. Thank you!!


    My mom definitely would open her mouth.  lol

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  • I know you said money isn't an issue but you don't really know that. He is living with his mom, so who really knows.

    I have MANY nieces and nephews. Some years I was able to get the kids something their parents couldn't afford for birthdays or Christmas and some years, I couldn't really afford anything. I am very lucky to have a loving family who understands. 

    I also have nieces and nephews from 24 to 1 who love me for being there. Not for what I ever bought them. I know this is true because the older ones tell me how much they appreciate that they felt I was their "second mom". They don't even remember what I ever bought them, they remember the time I spent with them. I hope to foster that same bond with the younger ones. It is easier to just buy their appreciation since I have the means now, but that bond is not at a store. 

    I am sure you understand my point and love your brother very much. Teach your child to love him as well. 

    Not everyone shows their love with gifts. I completely understand your position, but you're the one who is upset about this. Not your child. Don't teach your child to feel slighted. Only tell him how much his uncle loves him.

    Allowing your child to ask where his gift is is so inappropriate. If you feel that strongly about it, that is a private adult conversation. 
  • This is definitely touchy. My brother had his kids 8 years before I had mine. I bought them gifts, but I was a poor student, and I started to get the feeling what I was buying wasn't "good" enough, which was really frustrating. My sister and I finally gave up on buying for the kids after being asked for the third time to return the gift. I didn't want to seem like I was punishing the kids by no longer buying, but our presents were either returned or we were asked to return them. So, when I had my son, I just flat out told them not to buy for him. If your brother doesn't want to buy for your son, maybe just ask if you want to agree that you won't buy for each other's kids. I know it's a gift, but it still seems rude to me for one sibling to buy gifts and the other not to.
  • I know you said money isn't an issue but you don't really know that. He is living with his mom, so who really knows.

    I have MANY nieces and nephews. Some years I was able to get the kids something their parents couldn't afford for birthdays or Christmas and some years, I couldn't really afford anything. I am very lucky to have a loving family who understands. 

    I also have nieces and nephews from 24 to 1 who love me for being there. Not for what I ever bought them. I know this is true because the older ones tell me how much they appreciate that they felt I was their "second mom". They don't even remember what I ever bought them, they remember the time I spent with them. I hope to foster that same bond with the younger ones. It is easier to just buy their appreciation since I have the means now, but that bond is not at a store. 

    I am sure you understand my point and love your brother very much. Teach your child to love him as well. 

    Not everyone shows their love with gifts. I completely understand your position, but you're the one who is upset about this. Not your child. Don't teach your child to feel slighted. Only tell him how much his uncle loves him.

    Allowing your child to ask where his gift is is so inappropriate. If you feel that strongly about it, that is a private adult conversation. 

    I get everything you're saying. I guess my issue was because he only has ONE nephew- my LO has made him a first-time uncle. The reason I said money isn't an issue, is because he lives with his Mom to pocket money not because he is struggling. He lives in NY and I live in VA, and he will go all over the world on cruises, ect. which is nice. However, he won't make a trip to see us- I'm always the one that goes up to NY. My frustration lies with this relationship being one-sided. I get where you're coming from though and I will not mention it.
  • I see what you're saying. It's tough, especially when kids are involved and you were hoping they would have more of a relationship than they do.
  • youngNYCmom said:

     My frustration lies with this relationship being one-sided.
    This tells a slightly different story, then.  In your OP you said that you have a pretty good relationship - which read to me like you're close, you see each other, you both make an effort.

    This says something different.  I could say about my DH and BIL that they have a "pretty good relationship".... WHEN they see each other.  They get along, I really like BIL, etc.

    BUT - oh my.... it's VERY one-sided too.  I'll spare the stories, but it's one-sided.  And the biggest lesson I've learned - MY having a child will not change who my BIL is.  As much as DH and I hoped that DS might get BIL to come around more, perhaps stop by when driving literally 5 minutes by our house to see their parents (He too lives in NY, we're in MD, ILs are outside of DC).... it hasn't.  BIL loves DS - I know that.  But he's simply not an involved uncle and DS hasn't made BIL change his routines. 

    This is the lesson.  Your having a child isn't going to change "who" anyone else is.  And it's not going to change your relationship w/ your brother.

    It sucks.  DH and I both "get" this but we're both still frustrated by it!  However, it is what it is.  You like to give gifts, you make an effort, you go visit.  He doesn't.  This is who he is and your son simply isn't going to change this about him.
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  • Maybe he's just not a gift person. DH and I don't do gifts for our nieces and nephews. We never see his and my sisters tell me not to buy their kids stuff because their grandparents overwhelm them with stuff every chance they get. Growing up, I had aunts and uncles I was close to (they usually lived nearby and hung out with my parents) and others I hardly ever saw (usually those who lived in another state). I think that's totally normal.
  • youngNYCmom said:

     My frustration lies with this relationship being one-sided.
    This tells a slightly different story, then.  In your OP you said that you have a pretty good relationship - which read to me like you're close, you see each other, you both make an effort.

    This says something different.  I could say about my DH and BIL that they have a "pretty good relationship".... WHEN they see each other.  They get along, I really like BIL, etc.

    BUT - oh my.... it's VERY one-sided too.  I'll spare the stories, but it's one-sided.  And the biggest lesson I've learned - MY having a child will not change who my BIL is.  As much as DH and I hoped that DS might get BIL to come around more, perhaps stop by when driving literally 5 minutes by our house to see their parents (He too lives in NY, we're in MD, ILs are outside of DC).... it hasn't.  BIL loves DS - I know that.  But he's simply not an involved uncle and DS hasn't made BIL change his routines. 

    This is the lesson.  Your having a child isn't going to change "who" anyone else is.  And it's not going to change your relationship w/ your brother.

    It sucks.  DH and I both "get" this but we're both still frustrated by it!  However, it is what it is.  You like to give gifts, you make an effort, you go visit.  He doesn't.  This is who he is and your son simply isn't going to change this about him.

    I agree with everything you said. When I originally said that we have a pretty good relationship, I was basing that on the fact that we text back and forth, he'll send me pictures of my niece (if I ask for them). Sometimes, he'll fill me in on his situation with what's going on in his life, ect. Before I had a full time job, he would get me something for my birthday/Christmas and pay for my bus ticket to go to NY. (Back when I was living in SC with my parents). To me, that's better than nothing, but it could be much better. You're absolutely right that my DS will not change his behavior. Thank you for your advice.
  • WendyGR said:
    Maybe he's just not a gift person. DH and I don't do gifts for our nieces and nephews. We never see his and my sisters tell me not to buy their kids stuff because their grandparents overwhelm them with stuff every chance they get. Growing up, I had aunts and uncles I was close to (they usually lived nearby and hung out with my parents) and others I hardly ever saw (usually those who lived in another state). I think that's totally normal.
    He's definitely a gift person, just not with DS and that's what bothers me. If he wasn't though I wouldn't think twice about it.
  • CitrusLoveCitrusLove member
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    edited November 2013
    Money is a touchy subject. Especially in an economy like this one. While it may seem he is squared away financially on the outside, assumptions are rarely ever accurate to the reality of the situation. He may be cutting back on spending or it is possible he just isn't as generous of a gift-giver as you are. He may be generous more-so in other areas aside from gift giving. This seems evident in how much he is contributing to helping his girlfriend and kids. The topic of gifting is always a strange argument in my opinion because of the fact that gifts in general are just that. A gift. Not something to be expected in return, especially at an equal amount. I understand your need to give, and your desire to be an incredibly loving and generous Aunt and it sounds like you are doing a great job. But it's not fair to expect your brother to mimic your generosity especially when it's something that comes from the heart and should not be forced or assumed. I say, if giving an abundance of gifts makes you happy to do for your brother's little ones, then continue to do so. But if you're gifting to expect it returned in some form, it's probably not the best reason to do so and you might re-consider why you're doing it or at least cut back if your needs are not being met to your liking rather than spoiling or straining your relationship with him over it. Hope this helps. Much love.
  • I have one specific point to make.... my brother has a child and we send things to him constantly.  If he didn't have a WIFE.... my kids wouldn't get anything.  I know he doesn't think about that kind of stuff.  In my family it is more of a guy thing.
    Jill * Married to Steven 11/9/03 * DS Samuel 4/4/05* DS #2 Jeffrey 6/13/2009
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