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big problems with our group of friends

Hi everyone.

 

I would love some advice about a big upheaval our group is going through right now.

We have a group of very close friends, there are about 13 of us altogether, all couples with children and one single man.

The single guy and one of our married female friends have been flirting pretty badly and spending a lot of time together alone, working out every morning etc  while the married ladies husband stayed at home with the kids.

 

The group has blown up a few times as to sit and watch the flirting, tickling, laughing and carrying on is too much sometimes.  The single man and married lady get upset when someone points it out to them that it is bad behaviour and not right.  They vow nothing is going on and they are just friends blah blah.

 

Anyhow, things have got gradually worse and the husband asked the wife to stop spending so much time with the single guy.  She refused to stop seeing him.

 

The couple split up for a week over this issue and other issues obviously but unfortunately our dear friend (the husband) committed suicide.

It is extremely sad for all involved (especially their children).

The main problem now is how do we as a group get over this?

As the single man and now widowed lady are spending even more time together.  The obvious flirting in front of us has stopped because the tension is so high right now, but they are going out all the time for dinner, waterskiing, running etc.

Do we sit and wait for them to come out and say we are a couple?  Should we accept this situation or is it intolerable?  I honestly don't think we can all stay friends and watch this couple be together in front of us knowing the poor friend killed himself over this.

Its hard to say anything at the moment because they are denying having a physical relationship.

But we are all hurting and don't know how to move forward.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

 

Re: big problems with our group of friends

  • You all just need to let them do their thing. Whatever that thing is. Judge/ worry if you must with your spouse but don't bring it to them. Keep it to yourself. Unless you don't care about alienating and hurting your friend after this loss. Her and her children need support and kindness.
  • What you do, as a group?

    Nothing at all.

    Don't interfere. YOu cannot stop these 2.

    That man didn't commit suicide because of the affair. He had ongoing problems.

    Again, stay out of it. Nothing you can do about it.
  • Your friend did not kill himself over his wife and another man. No one causes another person to commit suicide. You cannot blame anyone for another's actions. I'm sure the wife and friend feel horrible enough, her pain is not something any of these friends can come close to understanding. You have no right to judge or blame her. You also have no idea what was going on with husband and wife behind closed doors. 


    As far as what is going on with her and the friend, that's not anyone's business. I'm not sure why everyone needs to decide as a collective if their relationship is acceptable or not. If you don't want to hang out with them, don't. If you do, do. You don't need permission either way from "the group".

    Either you were all closer with the husband or you're not very good friends. I can't believe this is the big concern after such a tragic loss. Friends would be coming together to support her and her children.
    All of this. And especially - I don't get why this is a group decision. Figure out what feels right forbYOU. don't worry about anyone else.
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  • I understand where you're coming from - to a point.  WHen you have a solid friend group, to have something like this happen - there is a degree of "what about the GROUP?!".

    But... past that?  This isn't a GROUP issue.  It really isn't.  And I agree- no one "caused" your friend to commit suicide.  There is something deeper going on to lead someone to make such a choice in their lives. 

    You, on your own, need to figure out what is right for you.  This COULD BE a "group ending" event.  Peopel may each decide for themselves to pull away from that new "couple" (if it's actually that), and may decide to just back away all together.  Who knows. 

    But it's really not a group decision on "what do WE do?".  You are each individuals.

  • It's really hard to keep a group of friends together forever. I had a huge group too, but it started to splinter after some of us started having kids, because we were no longer as available, wanted to do different activities, etc. Everyone in your group will have to decide for themselves if they still want to hang out with these two. Aside from the suicide, which is terrible but I agree with PPs that no one could cause, I would have a hard time hanging out with people who I thought were cheating with one another. I hate cheating and inappropriate relationships, so I probably wouldn't hang out with them. But that's me. You have to decide for yourself if you're willing to hang out with them. Every other member of the group will do the same. I'm sure some of you will have different opinions, which is fine. There's really no way to answer this or predict what will happen. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.
  • Why do you keep inviting these two to things if there is so much tension?
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  • I just want to say I'm so sorry for your loss. I recently had a friend that committed suicide and it's been one of the most painful things I have gone through. I wish you and your group the best.
  • It took me a bit to be able to think this out and type it but...I had a BF commit suicide. It was shocking, awful, and heartbreaking. 

    People wanted to blame his previous GF (she was getting married), his past (which I didn't know about), his Dad, etc... The truth is he made the decision and we'll never know why. Maybe he was distraught over his ex getting married, maybe he knew I wouldn't have continued to date him if I knew his whole past, maybe he just couldn't take life anymore, no one knows.

    I had people tell me they didn't understand because he was so happy with me. Obviously no one knew his mind or heart. That night he had wanted to come over, but I had to work early and declined. 

    What I do know is it wasn't my fault, his ex's or anyone else's. He made the choice. I feel those who choose suicide are not in their right minds. That is my opinion. 

    I felt awful for his ex and reached out to let her know I thought it was unfair of anyone to blame her. She was grateful for that. 

    Do what you wish with these friends but please, don't cause any more hurt. I can't imagine if we had been married with kids. 

    The thing is...things happen. Spouses cheat, ex's get married, SO's have to work in the morning...none of these things cause most people to end it all. It doesn't matter why, the people left behind are the ones who need TLC. Please remember this and act accordingly.
  • Although she did not cause the man to commit suicide, I could not hang out with someone who is a cheat.

    Someone stated you don't know what happened behind closed doors. No one deserves to be cheated on. Cheating on someone IS a character flaw. Period. These people are low quality people I would not want in my life.

  • I wouldn't worry about the group but make your own decision and how you want to proceed. I'm also in the camp of not wanting to hang out with cheating people, but I would of course have compassion for the wife and kids for their loss. It's really hard because of that conflicting feelings that you may have. You may have to keep yourself open to them for support but distance yourself otherwise. I just went through this with a friend that had a loss, but had a history of being mean to me. I had to balance my anger at her treatment toward me with compassion for her situation. I always strived to be the better person and I didn't make her loss about my issues with her KWIM? But I did have to distance myself because of a couple of years of her snarky words and inconsiderate actions. Maybe sharing my story will help. Expect it to take a long long time to recover from and some things might not ever be back the way they were.
  • I was very close to someone who commited suicide, and it took me a very long time to recover from it, and wonder if there was something I could have done or said to change the outcome. You have no idea what your "married lady friend" is going through, and you certainly have no right to judge her. You may think you, and your cult group of friends are hurt, but you have no idea what she and her children are going through. Who are you to pass judgement? You don't even know if there was something going on to begin with. You assumed. Imagine how you'd feel if you found out nothing was going on, and she was actually an innocent victim, like her children. If you can't be a supportive, nonjudgemental friend, then cut your ties now and let her recover in peace.
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