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advice for my sister

josscaljosscal member
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edited November 2013 in Family Matters
Hey all, I wanted to see if anyone could help my sister who has been having a hard time with her 13 year old son. Also I am typing this on my phone so please excuse typos

A little background- my sister divorced their dad when he was about 3, he doesn't get along with his new stepmom at all and would rather not ever see his dad because of this. He is overweight, about 60 lbs but is a very active child. He is not one to sit and watch tv all day, but would rather be skate boarding or playing baseball.

Since the beginning of this school year, 8th grade, his grades have been at steady D's and F's. When doing homework, he would rather scribble down the wrong answer as quick as possible than sit there any longer. She constantly battles with him every night and it usually ends up with her losing her patience and him in tears.

Her new battle is starting every morning. He fights about going to school, getting up at all. He broke his arm about a month ago, his writing hand of all things, and missed quite a bit of school due to multiple surgeries to fix it (he broke it on his growth plate and had to have pins put in twice). The school has sent a letter to her because he had missed so much, despite doctor notes or her communicating with the principle himself. Now she is trying really hard to not allow him to miss any more school, but again, constant battle. I take both of her sons to school and take them home so I do witness these fights daily.

It is hard to see her go through this, and since I am not a mother I have no solid advice to give. She works a full time job plus 2 part time jobs to support all of them. I try to help her with them any way I can, her oldest son loves school and so this is something she has never dealt with. She's asked him about being bullied, and he says no, and honestly he isn't one to deal with a bully- he would take care of it..not violently but he has no problem letting someone know.

Anyway, any advice I could relay to her would be greatly appreciated!

Re: advice for my sister

  • edited November 2013
    josscal said:
    Hey all, I wanted to see if anyone could help my sister who has been having a hard time with her 13 year old son. Also I am typing this on my phone so please excuse typos A little background- my sister divorced their dad when he was about 3, he doesn't get along with his new stepmom at all and would rather not ever see his dad because of this. He is overweight, about 60 lbs but is a very active child. He is not one to sit and watch tv all day, but would rather be skate boarding or playing baseball

    Since the beginning of this school year, 8th grade, his grades have been at steady D's and F's. When doing homework, he would rather scribble down the wrong answer as quick as possible than sit there any longer.

    He's got to take his time with homework.  ANd this is probably why he's not pulling decent grades -- he is probably in a hurry to finish the exams, quizzes and tests. That has to stop.

    Does he get an allowance?

    An excellent time to start!  Make the allowance contingent upon successfully, neatly and thoroughly finishing his homework assignments.  And contingent upon getting at least a C in his classes.

    $20 a week would be a reasonable allowance for a 13 year old young man.:) Present the allowance initially in such a way it will motivate the heck out of him.

    Have your sis check his homework for errors. She should go over the assignment with him when it's completed. THat's how my mother worked it and it turned out pretty well for us.:)

    If it turns out the answer is wrong when they both review it, she hands it back and he gets to go back to the drawing board to get the answer right.:)

    Other things she can do to make learning more fun -- turn it into a game --- make up songs or rhymes or associations about the subject matter.:)

    Here's some of the ways I remembered something I needed for school -- my mother came up with these:

    • To this day, I still remember the "clue" for the chemical symbol for tin: Sn.  All I had to do was think of my mother's 2 initials...and I had the answer.
    • The Spanish word for son -- hijo -- was "remembered" as Hi, Jo!

    Make it fun. Use your imagination.:)

     She constantly battles with him every night and it usually ends up with her losing her patience and him in tears. Her new battle is starting every morning. He fights about going to school, getting up at all
    . He broke his arm about a month ago, his writing hand of all things, and missed quite a bit of school due to multiple surgeries to fix it (he broke it on his growth plate and had to have pins put in twice). The school has sent a letter to her because he had missed so much, despite doctor notes or her communicating with the principle himself. Now she is trying really hard to not allow him to miss any more school, but again, constant battle. I take both of her sons to school and take them home so I do witness these fights daily. It is hard to see her go through this, and since I am not a mother I have no solid advice to give. She works a full time job plus 2 part time jobs to support all of them. I try to help her with them any way I can, her oldest son loves school and so this is something she has never dealt with. She's asked him about being bullied, and he says no, and honestly he isn't one to deal with a bully- he would take care of it..not violently but he has no problem letting someone know. Anyway, any advice I could relay to her would be greatly appreciated!
    He's missed too much school and I will bet you he's embarrassed to go to class. He's probably behind on a lot of the work.

    Here's my suggestion:

    Have your sis request a conference with each of his teachers. They need to be brought up to date and up to speed about the missed school problem. There has to be a way he can make up the work, do a special assignment or something --- he may  even be in danger of losing his year.

    I would hate to see that happen.

    Try my suggestions; see if they work.  The allowance suggestion, I think, is a good one. It's also time for him to start having money of his own; learn to save and spend it. $20 a week isn't an extravagant sum of money for an allowance for a 13 year old young man.

    If there is after school help available, he needs to take advantage of that. If you have a relative who is 'cool" with your nephew, maybe he can help out and help tutor him.

    Wishing you luck. Let us know what happens.
  • I will relay the info, TarponMonoxide. I don't believe she has tried rewarding with money, only taken things away or grounding him. She does go over his homework and that is where the tears come in because after the 10th time of checking 1 assignment and he is still writing down the wrong answer, I can understand the frustration.

    I'm sure the money will at least entice him to try, what kid doesn't like money right haha

    The school and teachers are just not trying to work with her. It took her 2 weeks of daily calls and emails before she got 1, yes one, teacher to set up a meeting with her. And that is also after going to the school herself and speaking with the principal.

    Thanks!
  • edited November 2013
    Yikes.

    I will bet you he is way behind. There has to be a way for him to get caught up.

    Maybe he has no idea how one derives at the answer, thanks to all the school he's missed.

    Like I said, present the allowance in such a way that he'll be motivated -- tell him it's like a person earning a paycheck -- do a great job at work and you get paid your salary; do a great job in school and you'll get your "paycheck."

    Tell him he'll also learn something really exciting: how to save and spend money! What kid doesn't like his very own home economics "lab"!:)

    It's never too early to start saving your money; the time for him to want a car will be right around the corner. He'll need money for school dances, his friend's gifts for holidays and birthdays and such and there's something special he might want -- he'll save his money to pay for it.

    There are tons of things on the net that can help students learn! This is lpendid -- we never had this growing up. We had schoolbooks and a library and that's all.

    One thing my mother was:

    A pain in the ass when it came to calling and meeting with teachers.:)

    They also didn't like her a lot because she'd take our tests and quizzes and assignments that were graded -- and more than once the wrong tally was there!

    We'd be short 5 or 10 points!!! That brings your test grade up to a whole other level!!!

    She needs to tally up the points, also, on all the exams and such.

    I can identify with your nephew's problem -- I too was in a hurry --- I was an early reader and I think I was bored so that was the gist of my problem. I was hell on wheels from first through third grades because of that.

    I got a ton of notes and other shit sent home, due to the hurry I was in in school.

    I cut it out in 4th grade. I think that's because the reading level was more "on my level" and I wasn't so bored.

    I am also willing to bet he is an exceptionally smart kid. Boredom might also be part of the reason why he's in such a hurry with answers.


  • Great point Tarpon, I will bring over one of my old books from Highschool and see how he does with it, I actually think I have my freshmen Algebra book in my cedar chest

    Thank you so much for the help, some great tips that I can bring up to her and hopefully ease some of the stress!
  • Not sure if this is relevant or not, but since he is overweight I would try to change his diet. Some research (sorry can't quote now) has found that diets high in processed food and junk food is linked with ADD and problems concentrating. In younger children red food die really messes up their behavior. 

    It seems like his is a good kid, just needs some guidance. 
  • PrincessVegan I actually read a similar article about that! He is on a really good diet, it still boggles me that he is over weight (He was born premature barely at 7 months, doctors contribute it to that)

    My sister is full paleo diet and the boys are about 80% paleo..they still get plenty of dairy items and the occassional junk food treat. So I guess I should just say clean eating haha. I should also say I have no idea what they eat at their dads house too so I will actually look up that article and send it to my sister, thank you for reminding me of it!
  • edited November 2013
    josscal said:
    PrincessVegan I actually read a similar article about that! He is on a really good diet, it still boggles me that he is over weight (He was born premature barely at 7 months, doctors contribute it to that) My sister is full paleo diet and the boys are about 80% paleo..they still get plenty of dairy items and the occassional junk food treat. So I guess I should just say clean eating haha. I should also say I have no idea what they eat at their dads house too so I will actually look up that article and send it to my sister, thank you for reminding me of it!
    I don'[t know what a paleo diet is but it sure wouldn't hurt for his mother to have him start eating healthier -- cut out processed foods, lighten up on added sugars, go light on junk foods and sugary sodas and start eating more chicken and fish and vegetables.

    Brown bagging his lunch will help wonders. Take something to school like good ole peanut butter and jelly and a banana and some whole milk, or a roast beef sandwich on rye with lettuce and tomato. (Bananas are good for you and on Weight Watchers, they are "free" --- no points awarded)

    60 pounds is a lot for anybody, especially a 13 year old gentleman.

    Eating lots of sugar will also kill your attention span -- it will also cause a nice sized 'crash" and who needs that in the middle of a school day? 

    Looking into the Mediterranean Diet would be a good idea to check out.  They include healthy fats, like olive oil and mostly fruit and cheese for dessert.
  • uh, the paleo diet is very healthy Tarpon.

    It's really hard for strangers over the internet to give advice. It sounds like there is a lot going on here. Last year my best friend had a LOT of trouble with her daughter who is about the same age. She is very smart but wouldn't do her homework and was moody all the time (more than normal teen LOL). My husband and I took her on homework "dates" so that she could concentrate on doing homework without her  mom and stepdad nagging her about it. Somehow once we took her to a coffee shop or somewhere out of her house it helped a lot. After about a year of counseling to help her deal with her parents' divorce and adjusting her meds for ADHD, this year she is doing much better! Straight As. So I offer that to give hope that it is possible for things to change. The best advice would be to see a professional therapist to help him deal with the divorce, as it sounds like that is the underlying issue.
  • WendyGR said:

    uh, the paleo diet is very healthy Tarpon.


    It's really hard for strangers over the internet to give advice. It sounds like there is a lot going on here. Last year my best friend had a LOT of trouble with her daughter who is about the same age. She is very smart but wouldn't do her homework and was moody all the time (more than normal teen LOL). My husband and I took her on homework "dates" so that she could concentrate on doing homework without her  mom and stepdad nagging her about it. Somehow once we took her to a coffee shop or somewhere out of her house it helped a lot. After about a year of counseling to help her deal with her parents' divorce and adjusting her meds for ADHD, this year she is doing much better! Straight As. So I offer that to give hope that it is possible for things to change. The best advice would be to see a professional therapist to help him deal with the divorce, as it sounds like that is the underlying issue.
    Actually, now that you mention it he is extremely emotional compared to years passed. That is a good idea too..I plan on printing all of these out and giving to my sis!

    Tarpon- paleo is the 'caveman' diet. You basically only eat things you could pick/grow yourself- or what a caveman would have eaten. Fish and other meat, fruit, veggies, and nuts. He does drink sugary drinks though, juice mostly which has a ton of sugar but he won't drink anything besides that and milk or he won't have anything at all by his choice :/

  • Oh, boy. That's junk and empty calories and additives galore.

    Can't he at least switch to the sugar free versions? I am not a fan of sugar free, either -- but it is the lesser of 2 evils.

    His choices, if he keeps this up, is possible high blood pressure and metabolic issues.

    He is at an advantage: men lose weight faster than women because they are mostly muscle.

    All those empty calories add up.  And it's essential he get into a sport of some kind where he will burn off those pounds. 
  • I think the weight is a concern, but not a primary concern right now that needs to be fixed immediately. I think you need to help your sister pick her battles (can't go bonkers over them all all at once).

    I actually think that the root of all this kid's issues are a feeling of brokenness and not knowing where he "fits" in. He doesn't want to see his dad due to the step mother. He doesn't like the step mother. His own mother works a lot (not her fault just stating fact) and times he does get to see her, she is into him for homework, etc. The teachers are probably fed up and exasperated. His classmates probably think poorly of him, and even if they don't say it, he probably gets a vibe from them. Who does he have?

    The bad grades are an outcome of not trying and not trying or acting like one doesn't care are classic signs of a cry for wanting attention - meaningful attention.

    I think if he wants to see his dad, that plans should be made for him to do so on a weekly basis without the step mom present. And, although mom's schedule is so busy, I also think she should try to carve out some individual time with him to go be together somewhere and not talk about school.

    Trying to get him to care about school is a symptom of a deeper issue - this kid wants to feel belonging.

    (DH and I were/are part of the Big Brother/Big Sister program and this behavior was one we saw with our Little so I am writing from first-hand experience).

     

     

     

     

  • I think your sister needs to seek professional help. It sounds like he may be ADD. The family dynamics don't help but he needs to learn that he still needs to own up to his responsibilities despite others. A counsellor can help with this.

    Offering money to participate in school is ridiculous. His "job" right now in life is to learn and succeed in school. An allowance is to teach financial responsibility, not to convince him to do what he should be doing anyway. 

    I would strongly suggest counseling to deal with his issues.
  • 1) He needs a full physical work up.  Being 60lbs overweight but on a healthy diet and supposedly an active enough child, there is something wrong. 

    I suggest getting his eye sight checked while you are at it.  

    2) He needs a full psychological work up with a pediatric psychiatrist - NOT an MD (not knocking Pediatricians, but they are not specialists in the mind.  You would not ask a shrink about your nephews broken growth plate, therefore you would not ask a pedi about the current thoughts/studies on childhood psych issues). 

    There could be ADD or ADHD issues or there could be other, easily treated diagnosis or there could be something a bit harder to deal with. 

    OR these all could stem from the home life situation and the unintentionally poor responsive parenting that happens a lot in these situations. 

    3) Yes to positive reinforcements no to using money. Here is a quick article on using bribes for grades.  http://www.education.com/magazine/article/pay-grades/

    4) The above article has some good ideas on what your sister can do to help your nephew. 

    5) Recognize that your nephew's school is probably using the new Common Core Standards.  There are a number (NUMBER) of issues with these new standards, many are too high with some of the most convoluted processes, especially math. 

    This may not be as much a problem with your nephew, as much as a problem with the information the child is learning. 

    Example from a friends 1st grade math homework:

    Kathy has red balloons and blue balloons.
    She gives away 5 balloons

    If she gives away 3 red balloons, how many blue balloons does she give away. 

    A) 3
    B) 2
    C) 1
    D) 0
    E) all of the above

    So to your brain and my brain - coming from a background of finite math word problems, our automatic response would be B) 2.  We might have even consciously noticed that the word problem was incomplete but rationalized it out. 

    But the answer really is E) because the NGA Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO) believe that 1st Graders need to have this level of critical thinking - even though goes against the number of studies (both nationally and internationally) on Early Childhood Education. 

    My suggestion is (unless your sister can put him in a private school - yeah, I know...
    :-/) is to get him a tutor that specializes in teaching the new Common Core way. 
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  • I think that the weight and school is related. Maybe not bullying, maybe so. Maybe he has a medical condition related to his weight and concentration. I would get him to a doctor that doesn't know him, doesn't know his history and bring in a list of concerns - including his weight, diet, level of exercise, school concerns, attendance, sleeping schedule, social issues and everything all at once. You might get a doctor that can look at everything from an independent, holistic view and say wait a minute, this looks like _______, and he can be treated for it.


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  • Thank you all so very much for your responses, I printed everything out including the articles and gave it to my sister this morning. I will keep you all updated!
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