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Overwhelmed. Long

cunger1cunger1 member
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edited August 2014 in Family Matters

Re: Overwhelmed. Long

  •  Stop taking care of your FIL. Give your mother in law information about securing professional in-house care or information about care facilities near her. Your MIL needs to hire someone to take care of your FIL full time, or put him in a care facility. I know that is not a nice thing to say, but it is the truth. This task should not be dumped on you, especially with a new baby. The situation is not fair to you, your child, or your husband. Do not sacrifice your connection with your family and friends over this. Talk with your husband and tell him how you are feeling. He needs to know this stuff, and if you keep it bottled up it will negatively impact your relationship. He needs to back you up. You are going to hurt people's feelings no matter how nice you put it, so be prepared. Good luck.
  • Please recognize that what I am about to say comes from a good place, because I am angry FOR YOU not at you.  

    STOP!

    Even if this was your own father, this is not your fight.  NO PARENT (yes I am yelling) SHOULD EXPECT/DEMAND/WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO KILL THEMSELVES OVER THEIR OWN HEALTH.  And they damn well should not expect their grandchildren to not have a full life for them as well.  

    For some reason your MIL, Husband, and Siblings-in-laws do not want to deal with their father's illness.  It could be guilt, it could self-centeredness, it could be sadness, it could be dead on, money grubbing selfishness.  

    But until you force them to take on their personal weaknesses, you are going to wear yourself out, your son is going to miss out on having any parental involvement in this very very  very important developmental time and your FIL is going to end up getting hurt or hurting someone else. 

    Contact your local Elder Care line and get the name of a social worker.  Then tell your HUSBAND that it is time that he mans up (sorry, but working the night shift is not an out for having to deal with the rest of the world...people do it all of them time) and deals with his mother, brother/sister and father. 

    If your DH actually has to balls to throw this back on you, you will have a clear-cut view of what the rest of your life with him is going to be like.  He will never put YOU or your DS first.  Do you want to live like that? 
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  • Ilumine said:
    Please recognize that what I am about to say comes from a good place, because I am angry FOR YOU not at you.  

    STOP!

    Even if this was your own father, this is not your fight.  NO PARENT (yes I am yelling) SHOULD EXPECT/DEMAND/WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO KILL THEMSELVES OVER THEIR OWN HEALTH.  And they damn well should not expect their grandchildren to not have a full life for them as well.  

    For some reason your MIL, Husband, and Siblings-in-laws do not want to deal with their father's illness.  It could be guilt, it could self-centeredness, it could be sadness, it could be dead on, money grubbing selfishness.  

    But until you force them to take on their personal weaknesses, you are going to wear yourself out, your son is going to miss out on having any parental involvement in this very very  very important developmental time and your FIL is going to end up getting hurt or hurting someone else. 

    Contact your local Elder Care line and get the name of a social worker.  Then tell your HUSBAND that it is time that he mans up (sorry, but working the night shift is not an out for having to deal with the rest of the world...people do it all of them time) and deals with his mother, brother/sister and father. 

    If your DH actually has to balls to throw this back on you, you will have a clear-cut view of what the rest of your life with him is going to be like.  He will never put YOU or your DS first.  Do you want to live like that? 
    ALL of this, 100%.  I didn't even read your entire post.  But seriously- this isn't YOUR burden to handle by yourself.  He has a wife and THREE kids.  Just because you're a SAHM doesn't mean that you have the free time to do this.  YOu have a CHILD to take care of.  your son does NOT deserve this.

    And it's only going to get worse.  You need to speak up LOUDLY now and you need to make your DH hear you.
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  • When my grandfather was sick, my mother went through the same thing. She took care of him daily, my dad at night and I would bring him lunch. My grandmother completely abandoned him, put herself in a home and refused to visit him.

    Since my mom was the one who had to care for him most of the time, she became very very bitter toward my dads family. It has been very hard on their marriage, even now 5 years after his passing. She is finally starting to forgive my aunt and uncle, but my grandmother will never recieve forgiveness from her.

    My mom worked a full time job, so she would go hours before work and every break she could, and stay until my dad came after he made us all dinner at home. It was very hard on her but luckily the school she worked at was only a block away.

    I can say, from watching all of this...stop taking care of him. Don't place that kind of stress on your marriage. My parents still love each other very much but something changed after all this took place

  • edited November 2013
    YOu need to find a way to unload your stress -- there are support groups for caregivers.

    Caring for a loved one is taxing, both emotionally, physically and financially.

    I agree with the others: find somebody else to caretake the FIL --- a companion or even assisted living. There is only so much you can do and for lack of better way of putting it, you are not a skilled professional who is schooled in the caretaking of somebody with a long term illness.

    See a social worker for help.   YOu've got a son that needs you and also your H.  So sorry you are caught in the middle of this issue and that it is all falling on you. GL.
  • Ilumine said:

    Please recognize that what I am about to say comes from a good place, because I am angry FOR YOU not at you.  


    STOP!

    Even if this was your own father, this is not your fight.  NO PARENT (yes I am yelling) SHOULD EXPECT/DEMAND/WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO KILL THEMSELVES OVER THEIR OWN HEALTH.  And they damn well should not expect their grandchildren to not have a full life for them as well.  

    For some reason your MIL, Husband, and Siblings-in-laws do not want to deal with their father's illness.  It could be guilt, it could self-centeredness, it could be sadness, it could be dead on, money grubbing selfishness.  

    But until you force them to take on their personal weaknesses, you are going to wear yourself out, your son is going to miss out on having any parental involvement in this very very  very important developmental time and your FIL is going to end up getting hurt or hurting someone else. 

    Contact your local Elder Care line and get the name of a social worker.  Then tell your HUSBAND that it is time that he mans up (sorry, but working the night shift is not an out for having to deal with the rest of the world...people do it all of them time) and deals with his mother, brother/sister and father. 

    If your DH actually has to balls to throw this back on you, you will have a clear-cut view of what the rest of your life with him is going to be like.  He will never put YOU or your DS first.  Do you want to live like that? 
    yes, Yes, YES all of the above!

    Reading what you wrote you are not in a healthy or a safe situation. If you leave it as is you know it's going to get worse (and possibly dangerous). Take care of yourself, your child, and your husband.
  • Speaking as someone who has had two grandparents ( from both sides of my family) who suffered from Alzheimers, you simply can't keep doing this.  Both of my grandparents ended going into an assisted living facility, and you know what, it truly was the best for everyone.  My grandfather was literally killing himself trying to take care of my grandmother and my aunt, uncle and mother simply couldn't do anything more to help.  When my grandfather had a stroke, they all decided that she needed to go into a facility.  It truly was a great facility.  There she had trained medical professionals that specialized in her disease and knew what to do.  She got exersize, gentle companionship, good meals ( better than what my grandfather was making), and even little things like an onsite beauty shop she went to every week.  I can't emphasize enough how much better EVERYONE'S quality of life improved. 

     

  • Leftie22Leftie22 member
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    edited November 2013
    OP, you can't keep doing this!! I second what everyone else said, whole-heartedly. You say your inlaws think they can take care of him and he doesn't need to be in a home?? Because they AREN'T taking care of him! You are, and that is just not fair, to you or to your baby. You're worried about I upsetting your DH, but why isn't your DH worried about having his wife caring for his father AND a baby? It sounds like you and your DH need to get your priorities straight. Your baby is your number one dependent. He should be your priority and main concern, and you should be able to live a life that allows for you to take care of him (and yourself) first. Your DH has to support you on this. I know it won't be easy, but you have to sit down with the family, tell them what you've been doing, and that you can't do it anymore. Make a list of what FIL needs, and ask everyone to sign up for a day or two of his care. If they won't do it, that's on them. Then he can go into a home. Until you allow them to see what's going on, they'll keep taking advantage of you. They either have to step up or shut up and let him get the care he needs. Then you take care of yourself and your little one. Wishing you tons of luck.
  • Please listen to all the pp's. I deal with this for a living and have for the past 12 years. 

    It is better to get your loved one into a facility sooner than later. So many wait too long and it only makes the transition more difficult for everyone. 

    If MIL won't listen, she needs to talk to someone and get a hard dose of reality. Not to be nasty toward her, but she needs to know what she is facing. This isn't something that should be your burden. Contact your local area agency on aging. They have social workers who can connect your MIL with community reasources, counseling, and education.

    If you have specific questions, feel free to PM me. I have dealt with dementia from home care to end of life. It's not easy and what you are doing isn't sustainable. You all need a long term plan.
  • cunger1cunger1 member
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    edited August 2014
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  • Well, keep in mind that even if you can't convince your mil, it's still not YOUR job to be his caretaker.
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  • cunger1 said:
    I want to say thank you to all of you for your concern for myself and my son.  I have been stressed, blaming myself for weeks because I was thinking I was a horrible person because I didn't want to do this anymore, but seeing all of your comments has given me the strength to talk to them about this.

    I asked my husband to sit with his father this morning after he came home from work. I was able to speak to him about it and he too has noticed the incredible decline just in the 5 months that I have been taking care of him. I think he is starting to see that he does need assisted living. It is scary how fast this disease has taken its toll. He was diagnosed 2 years ago and is already at stage 6, and he is only 52 years old. I think that is what has everyone in such denial. He is so young to have this disease and is in relatively good shape physically. Unfortunately, my MIL will be the hardest to convince about assisted living. She took care of her mother until the day she died so she seems to think it is a duty for family to take care of family instead of professional caregivers.  



    What type of dementia does he have? This sounds similar to Lewy Body. This can be diagnosed by a doctor. It makes a big difference in care and prognosis.
  • cunger1cunger1 member
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    edited August 2014
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  • The last I knew Alzheimer's can only be diagnosed post mortem. Regardless, this is not your responsibility. Please get outside help.
  • They were just told that it was sporadic, early onset Alzheimer disease. I told them they needed to have him tested for Lewy Body. I also spoke to my SIL and she is on board with talking to their mom about Assisted Living. I'm hoping that if we have a united front it will be easier to talk to her.
  • crankita said:
     Stop taking care of your FIL. Give your mother in law information about securing professional in-house care or information about care facilities near her. Your MIL needs to hire someone to take care of your FIL full time, or put him in a care facility. I know that is not a nice thing to say, but it is the truth. This task should not be dumped on you, especially with a new baby. The situation is not fair to you, your child, or your husband. Do not sacrifice your connection with your family and friends over this. Talk with your husband and tell him how you are feeling. He needs to know this stuff, and if you keep it bottled up it will negatively impact your relationship. He needs to back you up. You are going to hurt people's feelings no matter how nice you put it, so be prepared. Good luck.
    This.

    And until you work out FT care for him, I call bullshit on your H not being able to help you because he works midnight. I work FT overnights.  I get home and go to bed at 8am.  By noon I'm awake and taking care of my son, running errands, cleaning the house, etc.  I grab another hour or two of sleep right before work.  And I'm pregnant.  Your H does not NEED to go to sleep at 8am and sleep until the evening.  It's unfair of him to put this all on you while he's home asleep.  Talk to him.  Be honest.  Get a plan of action and bring it to your MIL.  Then implement the plan.  If she's not open to it, just say you can't help anymore and be done with it.
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  • Kimbus22 said:


    crankita said:

     Stop taking care of your FIL. Give your mother in law information about securing professional in-house care or information about care facilities near her. Your MIL needs to hire someone to take care of your FIL full time, or put him in a care facility. I know that is not a nice thing to say, but it is the truth. This task should not be dumped on you, especially with a new baby. The situation is not fair to you, your child, or your husband. Do not sacrifice your connection with your family and friends over this. Talk with your husband and tell him how you are feeling. He needs to know this stuff, and if you keep it bottled up it will negatively impact your relationship. He needs to back you up. You are going to hurt people's feelings no matter how nice you put it, so be prepared. Good luck.

    This.

    And until you work out FT care for him, I call bullshit on your H not being able to help you because he works midnight. I work FT overnights.  I get home and go to bed at 8am.  By noon I'm awake and taking care of my son, running errands, cleaning the house, etc.  I grab another hour or two of sleep right before work.  And I'm pregnant.  Your H does not NEED to go to sleep at 8am and sleep until the evening.  It's unfair of him to put this all on you while he's home asleep.  Talk to him.  Be honest.  Get a plan of action and bring it to your MIL.  Then implement the plan.  If she's not open to it, just say you can't help anymore and be done with it.


    All of this and what everyone else has said too. I saw this thread yesterday and I'm actually appalled that OP, the DIL, is the one bearing the burden of this. OP, this is not your responsibility - this is your H's family and their responsibility to be caring for your FIL. Not yours and yours alone. They are choosing to ignore the inevitable and leave you with this burden and it is bullshit. I'm actually even more appalled that your H is allowing this - he better step up and put you, the woman he made a vow to and has a child with, first. And that means not leaving you to deal with this. It's not fair to you and it's not fair to your newborn child. I'm sorry you are even going through this and hope that you come up with a resolution quickly to alleviate this stress.

  • They were just told that it was sporadic, early onset Alzheimer disease. I told them they needed to have him tested for Lewy Body. I also spoke to my SIL and she is on board with talking to their mom about Assisted Living. I'm hoping that if we have a united front it will be easier to talk to her.
    This could go on for years. Please don't accept this role as caregiver. It's is your time to raise your family's, not take care of your husbands father.
  • I also have to call BS on your DH not being able to help.  Doesn't matter if he works nights or not - we ALL have jobs that take our time.  But yet we find the time to do a LOT of other things.  Hell- you're the perfect example of this.  Your "job" is watching FIL - but you ALSO take care of your son AND your home. 

    Your DH can only work in "sleeping" all day?

    Um, no.  When there is this much going on in your lives, you don't get the luxury of a full 8 hours of sleep EVERY night.  Not when your spouse is killing themselves and suffering for it, and your child is suffering for it too. 

    You get your ass up and HELP. 
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  • Well, I'm going to take a slightly different view - but I am more or less on board with the other posters above.

    First off, good on you cunger1 for taking care of your father in law. I think it is very admirable, particularly as you have a newborn with you to care for as well. You are in a really, really difficult position and you have completely stepped up for your husband's family, where a lot of people would have said no or that they were too busy with their baby. I say good on you.

    I can very easily see how this came about as well, and think that the intentions of the family might not be so selfish or black-hearted as they seem. FIL has serious health concern and can't be alone during the day. Needs someone to be home with him during the day. Cunger is a stay at home mom to a newborn (a baby is very adaptable and flexible, doesn't need a lot of equipment or toys, etc.) - maybe cunger1 can bring the baby over during the day and keep FIL company / make sure he doesn't put drain cleaner in his coffee. Cunger1 is home anyway, why not put the two together? FIL can probably even help a bit with the baby - what a great deal!

    And it would have been an ideal and easy situation, if FIL had not further declined. I think it is absolutely brilliant that you had your husband sit down with his father and that your husband independently noted that he has declined fast in the last 5 months.

    I think that if you approach this as hey MIL and family, look, I enjoy spending time with FIL and so does baby, this was a good arrangement in the beginning but FIL is declining fast and even without a newborn attached to me I am just not equipped to deal with this either physically or emotionally. This is no longer a social visit of keeping each other company, FIL has specific physical and emotional needs that I am not able to meet. I am at our home with the baby during the week and I would love to continue to come by and keep FIL company for an hour or so every other day, but we are at the point that we need some professional help to deal with this, as FIL deserves to be cared for properly and with dignity that I cannot provide.

    Do your research before hand - what resources are available, what the options are. Brainstorm options with the family at the meeting, but whip out these resources you have already researched and prompt them to make a decision on which way to go - with an action plan. Okay, I am going to call ___ on Monday morning to plan a home visit for next week. Push push push on this until you have professional care in place and you can then back off. Do not let them procrastinate this as it will end with you being the primary caregiver indefinitely.

    I would love to say to you to tell your husband to "man up", for him to tell his siblings to get their heads out of their arses and for him to tell his mother to get bent, this isn't your problem. But the things is, unfortunately, right now this IS your problem and I don't think you are the type that can just say eff this I'm out. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Sorry for the novel - I feel for you and I hope that things get resolved soon.
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  • Tofumonkey was exactly right about how this situation unfolded. My DH kept him company for a year just because he couldn't be trusted not to leave the house. When I took over, all I had to do was keep him company and make him a sandwich for lunch. 

    The last past 5 months have been where the disease has progressed horribly. My DH and I spoke to both of his siblings last night, and both of them were still under the impression that all he needed was company. Although they would have realized how he had progressed themselves if they would visit once in a while.  Their mother has always down played the situation to them either trying to not hurt feelings or because she's in a major denial herself. I don't know. 

    My DH does do his best to help me but he is suffering from Multiple Sclerosis himself which is a bad illness that takes years to get a diagnosis. Just one symptom is extreme vertigo that is nonstop. There isn't a minute in the day that he doesn't feel like he's about to pass out from dizziness. I would rather do housework myself than watch him pass out from mopping. Which has happened before....

    We all decided on Assisted Living but my FIL's medical card has not kicked in yet. It takes 2 years after being approved.  He gets disability but the money from that pays their mortgage and utilities while her income pays food and the cost of his medication which is extremely expensive. I know that they won't be able to actually afford assisted living without putting them out on the street in the process. He will get his medical card in two months though. Both siblings and my DH said they would help take turns until the option to get assisted living was actually available. 
  • So what I am reading here, your FIL has not met his Medicare eligibility yet.  What about Medicaid?  Is his income too much?  Have you talked to a social worker yet?  There may be programs out there that your FIL can access that is not just Medicare.  
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  • cunger1 said:
    Tofumonkey was exactly right about how this situation unfolded. My DH kept him company for a year just because he couldn't be trusted not to leave the house. When I took over, all I had to do was keep him company and make him a sandwich for lunch. 

    The last past 5 months have been where the disease has progressed horribly. My DH and I spoke to both of his siblings last night, and both of them were still under the impression that all he needed was company. Although they would have realized how he had progressed themselves if they would visit once in a while.  Their mother has always down played the situation to them either trying to not hurt feelings or because she's in a major denial herself. I don't know. 

    My DH does do his best to help me but he is suffering from Multiple Sclerosis himself which is a bad illness that takes years to get a diagnosis. Just one symptom is extreme vertigo that is nonstop. There isn't a minute in the day that he doesn't feel like he's about to pass out from dizziness. I would rather do housework myself than watch him pass out from mopping. Which has happened before....

    We all decided on Assisted Living but my FIL's medical card has not kicked in yet. It takes 2 years after being approved.  He gets disability but the money from that pays their mortgage and utilities while her income pays food and the cost of his medication which is extremely expensive. I know that they won't be able to actually afford assisted living without putting them out on the street in the process. He will get his medical card in two months though. Both siblings and my DH said they would help take turns until the option to get assisted living was actually available. 

    Have you spoken to an admissions coordinator at an assisted living? This needs to be your first step. Medicare and Medicaid do not pay for assisted living. There are daycare programs available through your local area agency on aging. They can also give you resources regarding how to afford assisted living.
  • I'm sorry to hear about your DH's health issues. You two definitely have enough on your plates just on your own with your baby. It's admirable that you want to help others, but it sounds like you need to focus on yourself, your DH and your baby. I hope you find help that enables you to lighten your load, because this just doesn't sound sustainable. And babies are wonderful, but they don't get any easier, especially once they get mobile and don't sleep as much. You deserve to take it easy for a while!!
  • I just want to send you hugs!  Either one of the two situations...new baby or dementia progressing in a parent-in-law isn't easy by themselves.  I'm so glad you found the courage to say something.  And I hope you can somehow figure out a way to get him into a facility.  Truly... what you are describing as his current level, he needs a nursing home with 24 hour supervision.... has he qualified for medicaid yet?

    So sorry.
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  • edited November 2013
    You will need an attorney also that specializes in eldercare; your FIL will have to have someone take power of attorney.

    All of what Illimine said --- and a social worker for you, also. You have a family to take care of and you have yourself to take care of.

    Other ideas I can think of since you're in an extreme hardship case:

    Speak to your mayor and councilmen -- let them know you need help. They might have suggestions and "ins" where you might have your case expedited more expediently.

    Try your assemblyman, also.  You need help badly and it's essential your FIL get into a living arrangment that will benefit his health condition. You cannot do this yourself.

    Often as not, assemblymen and the mayor and town conncil can help speed up the process for you.
  • I agree with everyone because I too have been here. My grandmother lived to be 95, but the last two years of her life were spent at home with my parents running over there 2-3 times a day to care for her. My fathers siblings refused to have anything to do with her, and there was no way we could make them deal with it. The same will go for your ILs. You will never be able to force them to care for him, but that doesn't mean YOU have to either. You and your DH need to talk about this and get an attorney involved. That way you are covered if your MIL or her kids decide to pull something and refuse to allow you make certain decisions.

    But most importantly. Stop making yourself available. I'm not a mom yet but I cannot imagine its a healthy situation for a three month old to be in a place with an adult who regularly soils himself, and where pets have damaged parts of the house. Take care of yourself and your family, and be sure your DH knows it's his job to handle his family. If you walk away from this, and no one steps up to care for him, you can call adult protective services and they can act for you if they see that no one is caring for him properly. That should be a last resort though.
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