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Dealing with FI's ex and the holidays

At my wit's end with FI's ex wife and now that we're getting close to Christmas it's even worse. FI's son has lived with us for the past year and a half and only seen his mom a handful of times in all that. She's on meth and her addiction got her stuck living on the streets a few months back. Despite her being awful to me in the past I made the mistake of helping her out a few times dropping off food, getting her a motel for a few nights etc. She's turned into a damn stray cat and calls daily asking for more handouts. I finally told her no I can't afford it and she immediately text her son that I was refusing to help since i'm broke. Now every time I spend money I get judgmental comments from FI's son. I get my nails done he comments how his mom hasn't eaten today. I buy shoes for FI's company xmas party he points out it's cold and she could probably use a hotel room. 

The biggest problem is we let him go up to her parents for Thanksgiving and now he's come home with this new attitude that its FI and my fault that she's where she is and I'm mean. And she's fighting FI that she wants her son for Xmas even though she has no where to go. FI said no and apparently this proves we're the bad guys. 

Re: Dealing with FI's ex and the holidays

  • Sorry about your situation. It sucks. I would ask your FI how he wants to deal with it. I would be really tempted to say well kid, it's your mom's own da.mn fault she hasn't eaten - there are plenty of food pantries and kitchens and shelters out there and she should pull herself up by her bootstraps and quit mooching off the system.

    And yes, that's harsh so that' why I'd be tempted but wouldn't really say it :-)

  • WendyGR said:
    Sorry about your situation. It sucks. I would ask your FI how he wants to deal with it. I would be really tempted to say well kid, it's your mom's own da.mn fault she hasn't eaten - there are plenty of food pantries and kitchens and shelters out there and she should pull herself up by her bootstraps and quit mooching off the system.

    And yes, that's harsh so that' why I'd be tempted but wouldn't really say it :-)

    I have been tempted to say something along those lines, but I've already been demoted from "best fake mom in the world" (per this years mothers day card) to being mean and selfish.

    FI doesn't know what to do either. Unfortunately the divorce/custody agreement hasn't been settled since she isn't participating so the courts just keep giving us more hoops to finish this without her. At this point we're concerned she'll just pick her son up with or without or consent (she did this in the past and wouldn't even tell us where they were the cops said w/o a custody agreement in writing she was within her rights). The custody thing is another issue FI's son is pissed and blames me that FI is filing for full custody and doesn't see why he can't spend half his time with her. 
  • Let me ask you this - how old is the son? And is he aware of his mother's drug problem?
  • He's 11 and he knows, but avoids bringing it up obviously. He actually compared it to be no different from me smoking cigarettes, both are addictions and apparently equal. 
  • As we see on these boards w/ GROWN adults - people want to believe their parents are wonderful and perfect, no matter how many signs point to the opposite.  Of course an 11 year old is going to feel this way and its' magnified by the fact that he's so young and immature in the way the world works.

    Have you all considered having him see a counselor?  He's dealing w/a  LOT and I feel that a neutral 3rd party might be helpful. 

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  • He saw one when they first split up and everything was fine. We are looking into taking him to see someone again because this attitude towards FI and me seemed to start around her being on the streets. 

    I almost wish things had always been this way, I think it's harder since we were really close before and her and her parents are turning him against us. 
  • As we see on these boards w/ GROWN adults - people want to believe their parents are wonderful and perfect, no matter how many signs point to the opposite.  Of course an 11 year old is going to feel this way and its' magnified by the fact that he's so young and immature in the way the world works.

    Have you all considered having him see a counselor?  He's dealing w/a  LOT and I feel that a neutral 3rd party might be helpful. 

    I agree with this, but I also think it's important that you guys do not continue to enable her. Since when is she your problem? It sucks that there is a child involved in this whole mess, but his mother is not your problem. And don't let him manipulate you into feeling bad and feeling like you need to take care of her. She's using her child to manipulate you - that needs to end. Definitely he should see a counselor. And possibly go to a support group for kids that have parents with addictions. Someone needs to explain to him too that being a meth addict is not the same as a cigarette smoker. Yes, both are bad for you, but meth does horrible horrible things to people that get hooked on it.

  • There were two reasons I helped at first 1)it was my olive branch; my mom and step mom can't even be in the same room so FI and I were hoping it be a peace offering 2)I was homeless for a summer and helped out of sympathy and to kind of pay it forward a friend got me a hotel my last few days living out of my car and I used that time to line up a few interviews and make myself 110% presentable for the interview. 

    We made sure the only help was in the form of food, a bed, and toiletries never cash that could be used on drugs. 
  • Okay, but when you were homeless, was it because of drug addiction? Because her being homeless is of her own doing. I could see maybe MAYBE helping if it was a circumstance beyond her control but she is a drug addict with serious issues that are not your problem. Let her parents deal with her. She's taking the piss at this point because you allow it to happen.
  • No the company I was at went under I took a loan against my car and realized the money would go way further if I wasn't paying rent. Sadly her parents won't deal with her they focus on telling their grandson it's FI and my fault she is where she is.

    I just want my little guy back. He was the one who spent months hinting that dad should propose. "You know what makes a good gift? A ring...a sparkly ring" "So she is gonna be my stepmom right?...Dad? Right shes gonna be my stepmom?!" "Macy's has a sale on jewelry dad (wink) do you wanna see the sale (more winks)"
  • I think the boy feels trapped in the middle. He probably likes you guys a lot but he feels (rightly or wrongly) a sense of loyalty to his birth mom and he wants his birth mom to like him too, which is why he is behaving the way he is toward you.

    My guess is that sooner or later birth mom will ruin the relationship with him and will hurt him in some way (I have experience with the drug addict mother of our Little Brother), and the boy will turn back to you.

    I would be loving and patient toward him and I would also do what you can to focus on the mom's good attributes (whenever he brings her up) so he sees a stark contrast in the language and word choices between her and you. Kids are smart - he will notice if you choose not to verbally insult her or have negative feelings about her. Be the consistent one for him - set the pace of a reassuring relationship.

    If the money spending issue comes up again, you might want to just stick to facts that his mom is hurting her body and that she needs professional help (redirect the conversation away from your purchases versus giving her money).

    Lastly, the kids does have a point about the addiction of cigarettes. You could be in stark contrast to the birth mom by quitting them.

  • I think the boy feels trapped in the middle. He probably likes you guys a lot but he feels (rightly or wrongly) a sense of loyalty to his birth mom and he wants his birth mom to like him too, which is why he is behaving the way he is toward you.

    My guess is that sooner or later birth mom will ruin the relationship with him and will hurt him in some way (I have experience with the drug addict mother of our Little Brother), and the boy will turn back to you.

    I would be loving and patient toward him and I would also do what you can to focus on the mom's good attributes (whenever he brings her up) so he sees a stark contrast in the language and word choices between her and you. Kids are smart - he will notice if you choose not to verbally insult her or have negative feelings about her. Be the consistent one for him - set the pace of a reassuring relationship.

    If the money spending issue comes up again, you might want to just stick to facts that his mom is hurting her body and that she needs professional help (redirect the conversation away from your purchases versus giving her money).

    Lastly, the kids does have a point about the addiction of cigarettes. You could be in stark contrast to the birth mom by quitting them.

    Oh FFS, you can't honestly compare cigarettes to meth. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You had really great advice up to that point.

    OP, this whole situation requires qualified professional help and this child will likely need outside help for a very long time. 

    In the meantime, your FI needs to take the lead and tell his son you will be respected and your money has nothing to do with his mother. Keep your feelings about her between the two of you. Don't discuss it around the son. Don't discuss finances, and do not let him rule the household. If he has questions about his mother, let FI talk to him about it and as @MommyLiberty5013 said, keep it positive. 

    My ex BIL is a POS with substance issues. All we would say to the kids was "I know your dad loves you. His choices are his and we will always be here for you." They are grown now and appreciate we never spoke badly of him but showed them a different way to live.

    You never should have given her anything... but you obviously know that now.

    Continue to jump through all the hoops the courts give you to get sole physical and legal custody. If she doesn't respond, that is where this will end. As far as her parents, they have no legal rights. Once you have custody, they need to play by your rules or they don't get access to the son. 

    Concerning Christmas, get whatever paperwork in you need to to make sure she cannot legally take him. If you can't do it in time, you can only deal with what happens as it comes. He is in your physical custody so you may be able to do something if she takes off with him.

    You may or may not ever have the child back who outwardly loved you so much. That's the thing with kids. You can do everything right and they can still see you as the bad guy (probably not deep down, but outwardly). You need to accept him where he is and go from there. 

    I'm so sorry for all of you. This is a terrible situation no kid should ever be in.
  • You all need to get into family therapy, esp. your FI's son. He has a mother with an addiction and she basically abandoned him. Addicts can manipulate adults (as your found out), imagine what she is doing to her son. He really needs to understand and have some coping skills. 

    Your FI needs to know what limits to set on their relationship no matter how mean he seems. Like, is a cell phone a good idea for him if she can contact him without supervision. It would also be helpful in the custody agreement for the court to see the steps he is taking to help his son adjust. 

    This is a horrible situation for everyone. Adults have a hard time dealing with the fall out from family members and addiction I cannot imagine what her son is feeling. 
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  • Update: Now that I have all the presents wrapped and under the tree FI's son has dropped the attitude. Not a permanent fix and I have been looking into family therapy options, but at least I could breath for a few minutes. 

    The peace was a little short lived. We had already told son's grandparent's that since they had him for Thanksgiving we would be keeping him for Xmas and they don't live close enough to split the time. They said they understood and now are going through the child making all sorts of big promises to convince him to go anyways. FI put his foot down and said it was no longer open for discussion. 

    The icing on the cake was that FI's ex has decided she is showing up whether we want her here or not. We tried offering to have FI and son meet her somewhere while I stay home and start cooking dinner, but before our guests get there. That wasn't good enough she should get the real holiday since it's her son and FI's parents were her actual in in laws not JUST FIL's and told me to make sure there's something vegetarian available (since when do homeless people have the luxury to be that picky even if she was invited). She's shown up unannounced in the  past and even when we have specifically said not to come over so I probably get to make an xmas call to the cops. 


  • You all need to get the custody agreement in place asap. Is all this nonsense being reported to friend of the court?
  • You all need to get the custody agreement in place asap. Is all this nonsense being reported to friend of the court?
    They know me on a first name basis there, but everything is happening in slow motion over there. We have filed every piece of paper they have given us. I have every blog post/text/fb status/email etc all in a file, but basically keep getting that these things take time. 

    Even when we mentioned that she has picked him up from a friend's house without our knowledge/consent and wouldn't answer the phone to tell us where he was and the cops couldn't do anything nothing happened. They basically shrugged their shoulders and said there was nothing the cop could have done.

    I guarantee if this was the other way and he was my son who had an ex hubby essentially kidnap him in the past things would be happening faster. 
  • Good job on that! I know it sucks and it's a lot of work. 

    The thing is, the laws are in place for a reason. On the up side, you can't just take a kid from their parent without good reason. On the downside, you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt if they are unfit. 

    You have so many hoops to jump through, but keep jumping. It is worth it. When they test her for drugs and it comes up positive you'll be in control of what this poor kid has to deal with and it will be worth it. He may not realize when he's 10, or even 15, but by the time he's 25 he will be so grateful you did the right thing. 

    Hopefully his mom will get help between here and there and be able to contribute in a meaningful way to his life. I have a family member this happened to. She always idealized her mother. She didn't have any contact with her for years (her mothers doing). They now have a nice relationship. It doesn't discount those who raised her, but it helps for her to know the truth first hand and not blame others for her mothers issues.
  • Sillygirl45 thank you. I have been ready to curl up in a ball and just give up, but I will keep jumping. It's also nice knowing your friend reconnecting with her mom doesn't discredit the ones who were there all the time. That's my biggest fear we'll get custody, things will be great again, she'll vanish and if/when they form a new relationship and then dad and I are out of the picture or back to being the bad guys.
  • It's so hard because the kids put that parent who isn't there on a pedestal. It's no ones fault, it just is. You have to remember they are a part of that parent and in their mind if there is something wrong with that parent, there is something wrong with them. Just be there and keep fighting for their best interest. It will be rewarded...eventually.
  • P.S. I'm so proud of you. This is so hard. Good luck! Please pm me if you need help.
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