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Family drama... HELP! (Long post)

I am writing because I would mostly like to get input from others who may be or have once been in a similar situation with their family.

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A little background…

 

My father and I have never really been close. At the age of 13, my father was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer. It is now nearly 13 years later, and he still has it. The first few years while he had cancer, he developed a very controlling behavior that is still present 13 years later. As a teenager, I was discouraged from dating, participating in after school activities, or anything else outside the home. When I was occasionally allowed to stay after school or go over to a friend’s house, I had a strict curfew of 5 pm. To this day, despite being married and moved out of their house, he still attempts to control me (and now my husband as well).

 

A perfect example of this would be that on New Years my husband and I started a very healthy high protein low calorie diet full of fresh veggies, fruits, dairy, and meat, accompanied by one hour of cardio and twenty minutes of strength training daily. A physician has approved the diet and exercise regimen. We have lost a total of 10 lbs each so far, and are very proud of ourselves, and are looking forward to getting healthy in the new year. When discussing it with my father a couple days ago, he continuously put it down. He told me that the best way to lose weight was to starve yourself all day while at work, only snacking on carrots and celery, and then once you arrived home you are allowed a 1,200 calorie Hungry Man microwave dinner. My father has done this diet in the past, and while he has lost a small amount of weight on it, it resulted in making him look sickly, and he ended up gaining the weight back twice as fast once he started eating regularly again. Because I did not want to anger him, I avoided mentioning that, but rather stated, “Where do you get your carbs and proteins for the day?” He said that they come from the microwave dinner. I shook my head and said, “You need your carbs earlier in the day to give you energy, and that’s why this diet is working so well for us.” He became pouty and irritable at my response.

 

In the past he has also gotten into arguments with my husband over whether Verizon or AT&T is better, simply because my husband had told him that we could not find any connection at our new apartment with AT&T, so we cancelled our plans, and switched to Verizon.

 

I have also witnessed my father treat my mother the same way. It is a regular every-day occurrence to watch him throw a fit if she doesn’t eat his 3,000 calorie dinners or deserts he makes, but then right after, he tells her she’s fat and is going to end up “like one of those old fat ladies riding around on the motorized scooters at the grocery store.” I have spoken with my mother about my father’s behavior, and she simply tells me that she has to stand by him because she loves him. She has also revealed to me that he does not like my husband because my husband was “stealing me” from him and now my husband would be the one I’d “listen to instead of him”.

 

As stated earlier, my mother is a bit of a push over. She pretty much allows my father to walk all over her and treat her poorly. I always had a very close relationship with my mother growing up. I idolized her, and I contribute my desire to help others to her to this day. However, when my father was diagnosed with cancer, everything changed. I’m not sure if she changed, or if I just grew up and realized the real person she was all along. I began to learn that she was not trustworthy, as I often would catch her in various lies.

 

My parents do not handle money well. They filed bankruptcy a few years ago, and despite the fact that they pull in over $100,000 a year, they are always borrowing money from others to make ends meet, including myself, and my grandmother who lives on her social security check. They are constantly struggling to pay their bills, yet are often going out to dinner, going gambling at a local casino, buying expensive things like a new trailer, remodeling their house, etc. I have never understood how they pull in double what my husband and I make, yet are always struggling and trying to sponge money from those who make less.

 

At the age of 18, I was constantly loaning my mother money, and she was failing to pay me back. I got fed up with it after loaning her approximately $500, and I finally told her no. The next day I went to work, checked my bank account, and the money she had asked me for the previous day was gone. I confronted her, and as a result, she kicked me out of the house. I arrived at their home that day after work, and she packed my stuff into boxes and threw them out on the curb. I never did get the money back, or an apology.

 

I went and lived with my ex boyfriend for a year, and then the relationship soured, and I ended up moving back in with my parents. It is around that time period my parents and my brother stopped talking as well.

 

My brother and I were never close as well. He was diagnosed bi-polar when I was 7 years old. He had attempted suicide twice. He eventually went on to get married, have an adorable daughter, and then divorced. I adored his daughter, and spent every moment I could with her. Then my parents and my brother had a falling out. He blamed everyone except himself for the fact that he lost custody of his daughter, and refused to speak to any of us for over 8 years.

 

Now, this past two years or so, my brother has been coming back around. He has yet to apologize to anyone, and I secretly believe he is only coming back around because he knows my mother won a lawsuit and is thinking she will give him money. My parents are constantly hanging out with him and his new family, and it becomes disheartening when I invite them to do something, and they turn me down, but then two hours later I see they checked-in on Facebook with my brother and his family somewhere. They hang out with them at least once a week, whereas they are constantly trying to get out of seeing me and my husband.

 

Additionally, I can’t help but feel whatever I do is never good enough. I graduated college in 2011, the only child of theirs to do so, and my parents insisted that we celebrate by going to McDonalds, because they didn’t feel like going somewhere nice. I cried the entire night of my graduation because of the lack of excitement my own parents had, and my wonderful husband (then-boyfriend) ended up taking me out instead. When my husband asked my father for his blessing to marry me- you would think that would be an exciting time, right? My father spent the next hour lecturing him about me, about how I need to learn to do laundry more often, and how I need to learn to “obey” him more, etc. My husband walked away from the conversation entirely confused. When we announced our engagement, my parents shrugged and said, “Cool.” And that was the first and last we heard from them about it. Because my family didn’t care about the engagement, we figured they wouldn’t care about the wedding either, and ran off and eloped. It was the most amazing time of my life, and wouldn’t have chosen to do it any other way. However, I really expected for them to be excited for us, but they weren’t. In fact, they were the only people in our families that didn’t even send a congratulations card or gift. Then I broke the news to my mother today about the fact that my husband and I are thinking about adopting a child within the next few years, something I thought would make her screech with joy, but she just shrugged her shoulders and started talking about my brother.

 

I don’t know what to do. Has anyone ever felt this way about their parents? I believe strongly in honoring thy parents, but am really struggling to see any reason to continue putting forth the effort. Help!

Re: Family drama... HELP! (Long post)

  • I'm sorry you've been repeatedly disappointed by your parents and their reactions to what's going on in your life. All I can say is that it sounds like you care too much what they think, and you're letting it control you. I know it's hard not to get the reaction you want from someone, but you can't control that. All you can do is let go, and focus more on the people who ARE supportive of you, and who make you feel worthwhile. My ILs don't like me and don't approve of anything I do. At first, I fell into the trap of trying extra hard to make them like me, and then felt crushed when they didn't respond. Their reaction to our engagement, and their behavior at our wedding proved to me that I would never make them happy. All I could do was dis-engage. At some point, you have to give yourself permission to stop trying to make them happy, and focus on what makes you happy. Focus on the people who see good traits in you and who support you. Don't give your time and energy to people who don't treat you with respect. And let go of your high expectations of them. Yes, it would be great if they jumped up and down when you got married. But they aren't going to. Know that going in, and you won't be disappointed. It's a tough road and will probably take you some practice, but try to focus more on winning your own approval! Do what you think is important and right in life.
  • edited January 2014

    I am writing because I would mostly like to get input from others who may be or have once been in a similar situation with their family.

     

    A little background…

     

    My father and I have never really been close. At the age of 13, my father was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer. It is now nearly 13 years later, and he still has it. The first few years while he had cancer, he developed a very controlling behavior that is still present 13 years later.


    I am willing to bet that this behavior always existed and somehow you glossed it over.


    As a teenager, I was discouraged from dating, participating in after school activities, or anything else outside the home. When I was occasionally allowed to stay after school or go over to a friend’s house, I had a strict curfew of 5 pm. To this day, despite being married and moved out of their house, he still attempts to control me (and now my husband as well).

     

    Stop look and listen:

    Your H and you need a counselor --- one that specializes in family problems.

    YOu need to break free of your father's thumb: you are 18 and you are of majority.

    If he has been this toxic, I strongly suggest you cut him out of your lives.  I have never heard of a form of cancer that lasts 18 years, unless it is one of the chronic leuemias. I had an aunt who had one of the chronic forms; a friend of mine has a father whose dad had a form for years --- I think it's 20 years later and his father is still going strong.

    Cut him off. You do not need him polluting your lives. It's not a healthy dynamic; it's a codependency, not a normal father-daughter relationship.

    HE is also trite and childish, as illustrated below; get the eff away from him and his opinions, too:


    A perfect example of this would be that on New Years my husband and I started a very healthy high protein low calorie diet full of fresh veggies, fruits, dairy, and meat, accompanied by one hour of cardio and twenty minutes of strength training daily. A physician has approved the diet and exercise regimen. We have lost a total of 10 lbs each so far, and are very proud of ourselves, and are looking forward to getting healthy in the new year. When discussing it with my father a couple days ago, he continuously put it down. He told me that the best way to lose weight was to starve yourself all day while at work, only snacking on carrots and celery, and then once you arrived home you are allowed a 1,200 calorie Hungry Man microwave dinner. My father has done this diet in the past, and while he has lost a small amount of weight on it, it resulted in making him look sickly, and he ended up gaining the weight back twice as fast once he started eating regularly again. Because I did not want to anger him, I avoided mentioning that, but rather stated, “Where do you get your carbs and proteins for the day?” He said that they come from the microwave dinner. I shook my head and said, “You need your carbs earlier in the day to give you energy, and that’s why this diet is working so well for us.” He became pouty and irritable at my response.

     

    Let him eat what he wants and let HIM bear the consequences.

    His triteness continues, as below:

    In the past he has also gotten into arguments with my husband over whether Verizon or AT&T is better, simply because my husband had told him that we could not find any connection at our new apartment with AT&T, so we cancelled our plans, and switched to Verizon.

     

    I have also witnessed my father treat my mother the same way. It is a regular every-day occurrence to watch him throw a fit if she doesn’t eat his 3,000 calorie dinners or deserts he makes, but then right after, he tells her she’s fat and is going to end up “like one of those old fat ladies riding around on the motorized scooters at the grocery store.” I have spoken with my mother about my father’s behavior, and she simply tells me that she has to stand by him because she loves him.


    You are not obligated to stand by somebody's nastiness and belittling. See how the codependency sets in? She should have told your father to shit in his hat. And that should have been her response precisely.


    She has also revealed to me that he does not like my husband because my husband was “stealing me” from him and now my husband would be the one I’d “listen to instead of him”.


    Well, isn't that tough titty for Dear Ole Dad!

     

    As stated earlier, my mother is a bit of a push over. She pretty much allows my father to walk all over her and treat her poorly. I always had a very close relationship with my mother growing up. I idolized her, and I contribute my desire to help others to her to this day. However, when my father was diagnosed with cancer, everything changed. I’m not sure if she changed, or if I just grew up and realized the real person she was all along. I began to learn that she was not trustworthy, as I often would catch her in various lies.


    Get away from her, also: you don't need lies and nontrustworthiness. (I have a brother who is the same way and he's cut from my life. Push came to shove and I did it out of necessity)

    This is big trouble --- indeed ditch your parents and do it now:

     

    My parents do not handle money well. They filed bankruptcy a few years ago, and despite the fact that they pull in over $100,000 a year, they are always borrowing money from others to make ends meet, including myself, and my grandmother who lives on her social security check.


    ANOTHER excellent reason to lay flaming skid marks when it comes to your parents.

    Whopping debt and who knows what kind of illegal activity is going on with the gambling.

    Something is fishy here indeed --- and I'd get out of Dodge because there very well could be something illegal involved here:


    They are constantly struggling to pay their bills, yet are often going out to dinner, going gambling at a local casino, buying expensive things like a new trailer, remodeling their house, etc. I have never understood how they pull in double what my husband and I make, yet are always struggling and trying to sponge money from those who make less.

     

    At the age of 18, I was constantly loaning my mother money, and she was failing to pay me back. I got fed up with it after loaning her approximately $500, and I finally told her no.


    You showed SOME spunk and common sense!

    Do the same now and get her out of your life for good.


    The next day I went to work, checked my bank account, and the money she had asked me for the previous day was gone. I confronted her, and as a result, she kicked me out of the house.


    Where I come from, this is stealing.

    Plain and simple. Period. Too bad you didn't call the police! Shit, this is stealing and forgery and who knows what else --- unless you were dumb enough to have your mother's name on your bank account. To me, it is still stealing, even if her name and yours wer on that account!

    And for love of Mike, why are you still in touch with her and your pig father?????


    I arrived at their home that day after work, and she packed my stuff into boxes and threw them out on the curb. I never did get the money back, or an apology.

    What do you want from a crook.

     

    I went and lived with my ex boyfriend for a year, and then the relationship soured, and I ended up moving back in with my parents. It is around that time period my parents and my brother stopped talking as well.

     

    My brother and I were never close as well. He was diagnosed bi-polar when I was 7 years old. He had attempted suicide twice. He eventually went on to get married, have an adorable daughter, and then divorced. I adored his daughter, and spent every moment I could with her. Then my parents and my brother had a falling out. He blamed everyone except himself for the fact that he lost custody of his daughter, and refused to speak to any of us for over 8 years.

     

    Now, this past two years or so, my brother has been coming back around. He has yet to apologize to anyone, and I secretly believe he is only coming back around because he knows my mother won a lawsuit and is thinking she will give him money.


    Cut your brother off. He's got to be up to nothing good.


    My parents are constantly hanging out with him and his new family, and it becomes disheartening when I invite them to do something, and they turn me down, but then two hours later I see they checked-in on Facebook with my brother and his family somewhere. They hang out with them at least once a week, whereas they are constantly trying to get out of seeing me and my husband.

     

    Additionally, I can’t help but feel whatever I do is never good enough. I graduated college in 2011, the only child of theirs to do so, and my parents insisted that we celebrate by going to McDonalds, because they didn’t feel like going somewhere nice. I cried the entire night of my graduation because of the lack of excitement my own parents had, and my wonderful husband (then-boyfriend) ended up taking me out instead. When my husband asked my father for his blessing to marry me- you would think that would be an exciting time, right? My father spent the next hour lecturing him about me, about how I need to learn to do laundry more often, and how I need to learn to “obey” him more, etc. My husband walked away from the conversation entirely confused. When we announced our engagement, my parents shrugged and said, “Cool.” And that was the first and last we heard from them about it. Because my family didn’t care about the engagement, we figured they wouldn’t care about the wedding either, and ran off and eloped. It was the most amazing time of my life, and wouldn’t have chosen to do it any other way. However, I really expected for them to be excited for us, but they weren’t. In fact, they were the only people in our families that didn’t even send a congratulations card or gift. Then I broke the news to my mother today about the fact that my husband and I are thinking about adopting a child within the next few years, something I thought would make her screech with joy, but she just shrugged her shoulders and started talking about my brother.

     

    I don’t know what to do. Has anyone ever felt this way about their parents? I believe strongly in honoring thy parents, but am really struggling to see any reason to continue putting forth the effort. Help!

    Cut off BOTH your parents.

    They are also pretentious and silly and mooches -- and do the same for your brother.

    These 3 are nutty. And toxic.

    There is possibly illegal activity. To me where there is gambling there is trouble, particularly when debt and wild spending is present along with the gambling.

    And you and your H are full grown adults.

    You're the captain of your own ship and you are over 18 years of age --- for your sakes, see a counselor; you need to break free of the toxic mess and break free of being under their thumbs.

    If you don't, you'll have these 2 on your backs and under your skin and eating your hearts out daily. Not a healthy way to live.

    Cut them off --- and these aren't just moochers; they have mental problems.

    Wishing you luck.  This entire "family dynamic" is a horrific mess.

    CUT THEM ALL OFF and don't regret it or look back. GL.
  • I agree with Tarpon. You need to cut these people out of your lives. I realize it's family, but just because you are bound by blood does not mean you are obligated by any means to have a relationship with them - especially one that is this damaging.

    I highly recommend seeing a counselor and also picking up the book Toxic Parents as well as Toxic In-Laws. Both books will help give you and your H the tools you need in getting through this together.

    Sorry for your troubles....
  • A good therapist can tell you why this happened to you.

    If you let them continue to have their way with you, you'll not only have more anger and resentment of them on your plate you'll also get drained dry emotionally.

    They probably favor your brother because he is the weakest link --- he hasn't stood up to them and he goes along with everything they want. They can have him.

    And generally if you lose custody of a child something horrffic was afoot.

    YOur parents and your brother have the possibility of putting a rift berween you and your husband.

    Cut all 3 of them off. You don't have to say you're doing it. If you can move to another location, do it --- leave your parents and brother no forwarding address.

    Block them from FB and any other social media site you and your H use.
  • I can understand your position and I'm really sorry. I would suggest you sit down with your parents and talk to them. Tell them exactly how they make you feel and how it is effecting you and your husband. Then tell them until they are willing to acknowledge,apologies and change their behavior you will have to limit the amount of time you spend with them. It will be hard and you will feel guilty but it will pay off. No one deserves to make you feel bad about yourself not even your Family.
  • If they give you such crappy responses all the time then I wonder why you still bother talking to them. You're wasting your time. Share your life with someone else!
  • I agree with PPs.  Cut the three of them out of your life.

    Why do you so desperately seek the approval of people who have lied to you, stolen from you, thrown you out on the street for standing up for yourself, and who constantly condescend to you?

    Listen, I can relate to a lot of it.  My family belongs in the funny farm.  And my parents are REAL prizes.  My mother threw me out on the street when I was 18 years old and had nowhere else to go simply because we had an argument, and I refused to agree with her.  (She was trying to tell me that I had remembered a part of my childhood wrong and in actuality XYZ happened.  Which even my brother (the king of all momma's boys) said NO WAY ever happened.

    I never cut my parents off.  I still maintain a relationship with them, but on my own terms.  If you truly don't feel like you can cut them off, you need to change the way you relate to them as well as your expectations.

    When they start to condescend to you, or be disrespectful, say, "You're being disrespectful.  That is not ok with me.  I'm leaving."  AND LEAVE.

    If they ask you for money, say, "Mom/Dad, DH and I have a budget in place, and we need to effectively manage our money.  I'm so sorry that you're in a financial rut.  May I suggest you get a financial planner?"  And drop it.

    If they EVER steal from you, in ANY way again, say, "Mom/Dad, this is stealing.  If you do not return my property NOW, I will be calling the police."  I'm sure at that point, they'd kick you out.  Fine.  Call the police from the sidewalk.

    Create boundaries.  Enforce those boundaries.  Show them that you can and WILL do what is necessary to protect yourself physically, financially, and emotionally.

    And alter your expectations.  You know that there is a LONG history with these people of mistreating you.  It's not going to change.  They are not going to change.  The only thing you can do is establish, and enforce, boundaries.  So learn to expect that things will go sour with your parents.  When they don't, you can be pleasantly surprised.  But stop expecting them to be happy for you, proud of you, and respectful towards you.  You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
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