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401K Rollover Question (slightly long)

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edited January 2014 in Money Matters
Hi, I just started a new job and am looking to roll my Roth 401k $$ into a Roth IRA. My husband (self-employed) will also be opening up a Roth IRA. Background: we are 27, I have about $65k saved (only $300 of that is pre-tax), and we have met with a financial advisor (works through Nationwide, Dave Ramsey ELP). I'm not eligible for my new company's 401k for a few more months, and don't really plan on staying long-term, so instead of waiting and rolling it over to that account, I thought it was wise to open my own IRA. Once I am eligible, I'll be contributing to get my full match, then we'll be maxing out my husband's Roth, then the difference (if any) will go into this new Roth.

Our adviser has recommended that we both invest in the same growth portfolio through American Funds -- (comprised of 4 American Funds funds -- works out to be a mix of US and non-US stocks...56% and 36%, respectively, and within that, a mostly large cap and some medium cap stocks). The average expense ratio is .89%, with the industry average being 1.38%. It's fairly aggressive, but we're both on the younger side, so I'm okay with some volatility. He proposed buying all Class-A shares (I think that's what he called them), where we essentially pay all the fees upfront...a higher initial cost to invest, but after this, we'd only pay the $11/yr or so administrative fee. The initial fees include his commission, along with the fees associated with the Funds. It works out to be about $5k. It all sounded on the up and up to me, but as this is my first rollover, I was hoping to get a few opinions. He was very upfront, showed us the FINRA website and told us to check out his profile and do some investigating, and again, it all seems safe. (His profile was clean.) I'm just a little nervous to place all of my $$ with someone I've just met (even though my gut instincts say he's trustworthy.)  Does anything about this seem unusual?

Re: 401K Rollover Question (slightly long)

  • What is the $5,000 for exactly? Fees or a minimum to invest? If it's fees, run away. You can find lower fees elsewhere and they won't ask for that much upfront. Just so you understand, if you move 401k money to a Roth IRA, you will need to pay income tax on the amount being rolled over. This is because you didn't pay taxes on the money going to the 401k. If you can't afford the tax hit, move the money to a Rollover IRA, which is like a traditional IRA. You won't pay any taxes unless you get the money from the 401k directly. So have the IRA company do the paperwork for you so you don't take possession of the money and it goes from the 401k directly to the IRA. You can recharacterize rollover money into a Roth in smaller chunks when you can afford to pay the income taxes.
  • Just as example, the Vanguard fees for the 2050 Target Fund are 0.18%. They waive the $20 account fee (annual) if you have more than $10,000 and/or choose electronic delivery. Here's a link. https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual-funds/target-retirement/#/mini/fees/0699
  • They're fees, or "loads" -- part of it is commission to the advisor (which he was open about). The total is 4.5%. It definitely was not taxes...almost all of the money was in a Roth401k (I was VERY lucky to have that.)

    After doing some more digging, it turns out these are the "buy" fees to get into these "exclusive" funds. They're great funds, and over time, it seems that their performance (well above most other funds) outweighs the cost. But, I'm still not totally comfortable with it. Probably a sign to not move forward, I would think.
  • Yeah I would pass.  That's waaaaay too high for me.

    Think about what it's costing you by not having that $5,000 invested.  They would have to be pretty spectacular funds to outstrip that.
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  • I agree, I would run away and instead just roll this over with Vanguard, Fidelity, etc instead of paying 5k to have this person invest for you.

    My wife's last company used investment companies like this and the one year that I followed her statements they took over 4% in fees and made her roughly 7% in returns when my accounts in Vanguard, Fidelity, etc cost me less than 1% in fees and my returns for that year was roughly 12%.
  • Something sounds weird.  I have a bunch of stuff in American funds and I've never paid $5k to invest in it.  They have a minimum $250 per fund, but that's your investment into the fund, not a "fee".  I'm thinking finding another advisor might be a good idea....
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