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Was I right or did I completely blow it?

I need some advice, as I am not sure that despite my best intentions I did the right thing.

The background: our friend owns a water sports company and got us hooked on kayaking. He offered to sell us amazing custom kayaks at cost, but we originally declined since even though he was saving us $1000 we didn't have the rest of the money. He was placing an order anyway and said he regularly carries thousands of dollars of unsold merchandise, so he was happy to get them for us and said we can pay when we had the money together. Fast forward nine months and we still owe him $800 dollars and I am mortified. I have told my husband we need to scrape the money together and pay our friend, but my husband argues that he told us to take as long as we needed and since our friend hasn't asked for the money, everything is fine.

The issue: I received an unexpected $500 Christmas bonus and decided I wanted to use that toward the kayaks. I knew if I told my husband, he would say that we needed to put the money in savings so I decided to hang onto the check while I figured out what to do. I finally decided last week that I was going to cash the check and give our friend the money, but my husband found the check last night when he was grabbing cash from my purse and is livid that I withheld it from him and we're in a huge fight. All of our funds are commingled, so his argument is that I should have deposited the check into our account so we could discuss what to do with it together. I told him that while I probably should have told him about the check, I still feel justified that I could have decided what to do with that bonus, especially since the right thing to do is to pay our debt.

I can see from his side how he would be mad at the concept of me hiding money, but since my intention was to pay for something that we owed I don't think I did the wrong thing. I make almost $20k a year more than he does and every cent goes into our joint account, so I think in this one instance I was justified but I am completely open to everyone's opinion and to the possibility that I handled this the wrong way. I appreciate your opinions!

Re: Was I right or did I completely blow it?

  • I think you handled it the wrong way but I do agree with you that you should be paying off the debt to your friend first.

    My husband makes about 5x more than I make and we share funds for everything. Granted every debt we have been working to pay of is his but I handle all of our finances. He will get a bonus in July and we have already agreed the bonus is his to spend on a golf club membership. I would be very angry if he hid $500 dollars from me and it would be a monumental fight if he chose to spend $500 without discussing it with me first and he feels the same towards me.

    If you are going to have completely combined accounts then you can't bring up you making more money than him so you are justified to spend this bonus as you please. But your husband does need to realize that this debt needs to be payed off ASAP just because your friend said to take your time doesn't mean you should. If you have the means to pay off this large chunk I say go for it! If your husband is truly against it then go 50/50 with it and put $250 towards the kayaks.

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  • I basically agree with Alyssa on this.  I think you are correct that the debt should be paid off, pronto.  I'd even put it ahead of prepaying any debts to banks or cards that you might be working on-nobody wants to be that friend who borrows (and I think you know that!)  Not to generalize, but I think some men aren't quite as aware of the delicate etiquette in these situations.  However, hiding the $500 is a pretty big breach of trust.  To be honest, if I were your husband it would be one that took me some time to move past.  

    How I probably would have handled this is to say "H, I got a bonus!  It's pretty important to me to use it toward our kayak debt.  I know we don't see totally eye to eye on this, but I hate the feeling of owing a friend and will breathe much easier once it's paid off.  Then we can tackle (fill in goal your H wants to work on)."  

    I would try to get comfortable talking about money and compromising.  My H and I have to compromise on a lot-our ideal financial goals are pretty different.  The communication is key, however.  A lot of people on the board have found the book Smart Couples Finish Rich to be really helpful in getting on the same page, so something like that could be worth looking into.  
  • I would have wanted to pay it off asap as well, but would have talked to DH about it.  You should never keep money secrets from your spouse.
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  • I probably would have done the same thing as OP, but that's just my relationship and everyone is different. H and I each have a certain percentage if each check that we put into our joint account. Anything over that is ours free to spend however we choose. Personally, I wouldn't feel good about getting a bonus and not putting it toward what I owe my friend, and if my H didn't feel the same I would so it anyway and figure that what he doesn't know won't hurt him. Like I said though, all relationships are different and we already have a " as long as the bills get paid we are free to do what we want " attitude anyway.
  • DH or I would have a huge issue with that, and I am a SAHM so I guess right now it would be me having a huge issue with that. We both believe any money is 'our' money, and pretty much have an agreement that if it isn't your 'pocket money' and it isn't budgetted, or it is over $200 it needs to be discussed before it's done. We believe in sharing everything, so it isn't a matter of who earned the money to us. We have only joint accounts, so for us the money would have been deposited and discussed, even though I agree with you about paying off the debt to your friend.
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  • I think you & hubby need to come up with a plan to make repaying your friend a priority. You don't want it to start impacting your friendship with him. I would talk with hubby and figure out how much you can comfortably afford to pay your friend each month and come up with a date you will send the payment. Basically turning this into a monthly bill.

    Did you handle your bonus in the best way, no. But you've learned and can change things going forward.

  • Well, not to be too harsh but even though H and I are of the "do not divorce unless really pushed to" mindset, hiding money would be something that would make us teeter perilously close to that.  If the two of you generally operate with joint finances, then hiding money is hugely deceptive.

    That said, your husband is also in the wrong in that he doesn't seem to think paying your friend back is a priority.  It is.  But the two of you need to be able to communicate about that.  I do generally think the entire $500 should have gone toward your friend.  But your husband should have been consulted, and the two of you should have come to an agreement about that.
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  • I would be upset if my DH hid money from me. However, I would have told him "hey I got a bonus, thats great since we can start paying off our friend for the kayak."  It really is unfair to have the money to pay towards your friend and not.  He might not be saying anything anything about the loan, but you still owe it to him. 
  • nicolen08nicolen08 member
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     I don't think what you did is a big deal. Your dh was in the wrong. You tried to get him to pay the debt, and he wasn't very receptive, so you stepped up to pay it off. The serious issues are why he wasn't willing to make paying his friend a priority and why you guys weren't on the same page. Seems to me that paying off your friend should have been a no-brainer for you both. You guys should discuss how you will handle situations like this in the future to avoid more disputes. I don't think that your actions make you untrustworthy or anything like that. You did hide the money, but for good reason, and it's not like you're planning on always hiding money. This seems like a pretty isolated incident with some pretty specific circumstances. Don't go with the extra 20k argument, though. The money belongs to both of you. It's half his and half yours, and the person who makes more doesn't have more pull than the other person.
     
    However, just so you know, my dh and I are are very different than most people I've met in terms of how our marriage functions. In regard to finances, we don't have many hard rules. We just do our best to spend responsibly and if someone feels strongly about a purchase then they buy it. End of story. No prior approval needed. Neither of us abuse this system so it works fine. If he came home today with a $500 purchase I didn't know about, I'd just think, "cool, I guess he really wanted that, I'm happy he bought it." I trust him to weigh what we can afford against his wants, and he has my full support in making those decisions by himself. We've never fought about money. It's all our money, so either of us can spend it on whatever. Sure, if one of us starts eating away at our e-fund or consistently makes us spend more than we make or throws off our retirement savings, then that would warrant a discussion. But the discussion would be after the fact, and we would just resolve to do better next time. But that's just what works for us, and it isn't right for everyone. So also, in my marriage, what you did would be totally fine, but if the "rules" are significantly different in your marriage, then your actions could possibly be more of an issue.

    Eh, hope that all makes sense.
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