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communication is poor, please help.

Eric and I have been together for 6 1/2 years. We just bought a condo together last April and have been talking a lot about marriage in the last six months. Last month, we got a bill in the mail from our electric provider with a turn off notice written on front. Even though it was addressed to Eric (he pays that bill), I opened it because of the turn off notice. He hadn't paid the bill for months and it had racked up. I paid it and talked to him that night about how I felt it wasn't right to hide a bill he couldn't pay from me, and that we're supposed to work as a team. He makes less money than I do and I know that with the holidays he was stressed and money was tight. 

I've been thinking since then about how if he's willing to hide something like that from me, he might be willing to hide more. This led me to snooping, which I know many of you commenters won't agree with. However, I can't seem to regret the snooping because I found sporadic Facebook messages sent from last March to November between Eric and an ex-gf of his. It seemed they met for coffee a few times. In the messages, they talked about music, Eric talked a little about me and told his ex that we were buying a place and we were happy. The messages were all fairly harmless, except for one where she sent him a picture of her in a black dress and he told her she "looked great," and "very professional." He also told her she was "in control" and that nothing had changed in the context of an interview or a new job she was starting. This same ex had contacted Eric numerous times very early in our relationship (first year), with inappropriate pictures, to which he responded inappropriately. If they've been in contact at all in the 5 year in between then and this past March, I wasn't aware of it. 

When I found the FB messages, I told Eric we needed to talk. We talked and I asked him to leave. He left and hasn't been home in two nights, although we've exchanged a few texts. I'm not sure where he's staying but I assume it's with a friend. When we talked, he said thing like, he didn't think it was a big deal and that he's "allowed" to have coffee. I told him I thought he must have thought about how it might hurt me if I ever found out, which is why he kept it a secret. The problem remains that he did it anyway. 

We're meeting tonight after the gym to talk, someplace neutral. He seemed so unemotional when I approached him the other night. He seemed cold and unaffected. I think he's afraid to talk to me because I cut him off, or make him feel bad about himself. I think that must be why he's gone elsewhere for some sort of validation. 

I'm not sure what to do, or say tonight. I don't want to lose him. I love him very much. But I also don't deserve to be kept in the dark. I want someone who wants to communicate openly. Please help.

Meg

Re: communication is poor, please help.

  • So you can't trust him with other women or with money.  This isn't a communication issue - it's a crappy guy issue.  You would be a lot happier in the long run if you did lose him, IMO.
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  • Wow! Well, I would be livid and expect him to be the one trying to fix things right now. Ya you snooped, so what, you did find something. Whether it be "innocent" or what, he hid two very important things from you, money and a woman. Bad bad bad combo. So, he didn't want to hurt you? Then simply DON'T DO IT! If he knows it is something is going to hurt you and he did it anyways, that is a red flag to me. I understand you two have been together for a long time, but the fact that this woman had already caused a problem in your relationship prior, I would really get to the bottom of this. What if he has been communicating with her this whole time, getting together, keeping having "coffee" with her from you? Hmmm, I would be really wondering what else is he hiding and what is going on with him? I would be pissed off and if he doesn't seem to be the one trying then I would have to say see ya. You are going to be the one who needs to forgive and he needs to earn your trust back. That is going to be something he needs to work for....
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  • That just sucks, plain and simple. Don't marry someone you can't trust, and who hides things from you. I know it hurts that he's not honest, and you really want him to step up and do the right thing, but it doesn't sound like he's going to. He let a bill slide until it was urgent, then let you pay for it? Does he have any plans to pay you back or make up for his lack of responsibility? Then he meets an ex and doesn't tell you? And it's not like he was apologetic when you confronted him, instead he tried to defend his behavior. Is that good enough for you? Would you meet an ex and not tell him, and then if he found out about it, tell him that you're allowed to have coffee? I bet not. Because you respect him and the relationship. He doesn't have the same respect. If you keep paying his bills and letting him get away with lying about contact with his exes, he's only going to take advantage of you even more. I would take some serious time away from this relationship, and ask yourself if this is really someone who you want to get even more intertwined with.
  • I would have thought it was too extreme if you asked him to leave based on a few facebook messages that you admitted were "fairly harmless."

    BUT he also MET UP with an ex gf for "coffee" without your knowledge?? BIG RED FLAG.

    Also it is scary how hid that bill from you. Was he afraid or embarrassed to tell you? That would make me sad. Maybe you two could go to couples counseling about how much of a big deal communication is in a relationship. It's something he definitely needs to work on.
  • Something's up here. Maybe your relationship has run it's course. He should be groveling at your feet right now.

    I'd seriously rethink this whole thing for the bill alone. You do not want to marry someone who hides thing.

    And there is nothing wrong with a healthy amount of snooping. He shouldn't have anything to hide anyway.
  • Thank you all for your feedback. I'm glad I posted and it helps to get other women's views. 
  • Don't feel bad for snooping.  Your gut was saying something was off.  
  • If he had shady contact with some other woman while you were dating and you and he were an item, you needed to show him the door there and then.

    If you and he were a couple who decided jointly that you and he were mutually exclusive, she had no business being in the picture and he had even less business than that entertaining her company.

    Going for coffee with somebody who you used to date is no big deal in itself. Inappropriate contact is.

    I am meh about the electric bill --- I don't know what that could mean. Maybe he is bad at handling money, maybe he didn't know how to go about telling you it was not paid? I don't know.

    You and he could use some money counseling. Your money plus his is now an OUR money thing...and who makes *more* and who makes *less* does not *count* --- it's one joint sum and from that amount you and he pay the bills, make purchases, etc.
  • gymbugmj2kgymbugmj2k member
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    edited February 2014
    Relationships are two sided, and as 'manly' as men can be, they DO need love and support. There is probably a reason why he didn't feel comfortable coming to you about the ex and the overdue bill.

    Ask yourself the following:
    - when he has an issue or messes up, do you scold him? guilt trip him? make him feel less of himself?  this may be disguised as what you consider to be helpful criticism or holding him to his responsibilities, but perhaps he's taking it differently.  Bottom line -- think about how what you say and do looks from his side. It might feel like babying at first, but to him, it might feel like you're finally supporting him. Let him know that he still has the responsibility (aka you wont do things FOR him, but you WILL help him through it by tackling the task together this time around).  Over time, you'll find a happy medium.
    A quick example: my husband failed to follow through on something and didn't tell me about it.  when I found out, he explained that he was worried I'd be upset if he told me.  I reassured him that I'd rather know the entirety of the situation and be able to help... then to find out after the fact and be sad/upset/dissapointed.  we're a team, and if he's sinking - i want to help!

    I'm thinking that is what happened with the bill.  He felt like he was letting you down by being unable to pay it, and instead of coming to you for help, he tried (and apparently failed) to figure it out on his own.  To make this situation better, explain that you're sad that it happened and that he felt like he couldn't come to you with the issue, and that in the future, you would like an opportunity to help before it becomes a problem.

    The ex situation is trickier - mostly because you snooped to find the information. You can't trust him, however your actions jeopardize his trust in you.  So you're both probably at a point where neither trusts the other.... not a good place to be.  It might help to apologize and show that you understand this situation where you both probably don't trust each other --- and ask for his help in figuring out a plan so that you both CAN trust each other again.  (this invites his input into the situation).  Through more conversation, you'll soon find out if he's apologetic and willing to work to stay with you, or if he's apathetic, and written this relationship off already.

    Throughout this whole endeavor, remember that you deserve someone you can trust, and easily talk to.  Life will throw all sorts of things at you over the next several decades... trust and communication are the only way to get through many of them.  Good luck!
  • I wish there were an opposite-"love it" button, like a "wtf kind of bad advice is this person giving?!" button.
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