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Extra payments towards mortgage or save for renovations?

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edited April 2014 in Money Matters

My H and I bought a house that needed a lot of work.  When it was purchased there wasn't any drywall, flooring, or kitchen, and the outside needed extensive regrading of the land, but the property that the home was on made it worth it, and we felt the house had good bones.  It's in one of the best neighborhoods in our area and our house was purchased at less than half the average cost of the surrounding homes per square foot.  We had to do a lot of work just for the city to approve the house to be lived in, however we're not completely finished.  We still need to do the master bathroom (it's still just studs and roughed in plumbing), landscaping, add a deck and patio. 

We planned on finishing the attic space to add bedrooms and we'd also like to finish the basement.  Our plan is to address this when the roof starts to fail.  At the time of inspection 2 years ago it was given 5-10 years.  We won't have enough saved to pay cash for the project most likely, so my question is do I take what we're saving now and pay extra towards our current mortgage in order to boost equity, or should I be putting it into savings to reduce the amount we'll need to borrow for the addition?

Current mortgage and property tax is just under $1k/month there's $130K remaining.  Interest is around 4%

I'm saving $1200/ month in automatic transfers, and also move any extra money at the end of the month.  We earn 1% in our savings account.

We estimate the renovation to cost us between $150K-$200K (this will still keep the house in the same range as the homes in our neighborhood).  This is our forever home so putting so much time, money, and work into the house doesn't bother us.

We hope to tackle the other smaller projects between now and then- the master bath, landscaping, deck and patio.  We opened 0% credit cards and then paid them off completely before interest was incurred when putting in floors and the main bath, and plan to do the same for some of these projects.  Obviously I'd have to plan to have that amount ready when the time came to pay it off.

Doubling our mortgage payment would be really tight, so I've been trying to have as much cash as possible, but I don't know that that is the best option in this situation.  I am a bit confused about how a second mortgage or home equity loan works  or if there would be another option for us.

ETA: The mortgage is our only debt.  Our cars are paid off but we'll need to replace one in the next 2-5 years.

Re: Extra payments towards mortgage or save for renovations?

  • If it were me personally in this situation, I would save up the cash to do the renovations and not take any equity out of the home.

    FWIW we bought a foreclosure that we could not live in for the first 6 months.  We've rennovated it with cash and only have mortgaged 50% of the value of the home.  We plan to stay in the home for at least another 10+ years.

    I would only do the renovations that can be done with cash, and would make sure we were saving up to replace the roof in the meantime.

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  • Thanks @brij2006!

    Currently I have $20K in savings so we definitely could cover the roof if something were to happen, but I hope it can last until we have enough to do the attic.  We don't want to replace the roof just to redo it a few years later when adding the bedrooms.

  • That definitely makes sense.  What about putting off the deck and patio until after the roof and attic are re-done?

    Not sure I would be able to put off the master for another 5-10 years though.

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  • That's definitely something to consider.  H is really looking forward to at least a deck but I might be able to get him to think about the big picture. 

    Right now, I don't mind using the hall bath, but if we ever get pregnant (we're going into month 11 TTC, so there may be some expenses that aren't in our plan for that) I think sharing the bathroom with more than just H would be a little bothersome, but I'd survive.

  • So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that you're going to need to borrow this money (most likely) to complete the renovation.  It's your forever house, and what you're doing will improve it in value that's relatively equal to the cost.

    Do you know how much equity you have in the house now?  Do you know how much you would be eligible to pull out of the house?  Will you be capped because of the relative value of your house compared to how much you need to borrow?

    I know people are going to disagree with me on this one, but I don't mind HELOCs when they are low interest and they are being used for improvements for the same piece of property securing the HELOC.  My problem with HELOCs is when you use them for things that are less valuable than the house securing the debt (for instance, buying a car). You don't want your home securing a debt that was used to purchase something less valuable than your home, because then if you defaulted on the HELOC, your house would be seized, not your car (or whatever).

    If a $100K HELOC would enable you to increase the appraised value of your home by $100K, then I'm ok with it theoretically (assuming, of course, you can afford the payments comfortably).  The issue you're going to run into is how much you can borrow from a HELOC, and will it be enough to fund the project.

    I'm not anti-debt when the interest rates are low and the payments are comfortable. Your mortgage rate is so low that I would not prepay, unless you have to in order to increase your equity for the HELOC.  If you DO need to increase equity for the HELOC, then prepay into your house instead of saving that money in a separate account somewhere else.  

    The other option to consider is investing your savings for the next few years.  A 1% return in your savings account is way too low.  You could be getting (most likely) 8-10% annually in very basic mutual funds.  The downside to this, of course, is that it's a riskier way to plan your financing of these projects than simply adding money to equity.  The upside is that if your investments did well, you might be able to bankroll the projects while borrowing very little from your HELOC.  That's less to pay back.

    Lots of options.  
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  • all these renovations are going to add value to your home, have you done any research into how much value? 

    example, H and I are adding a roof to our house, it's going to cost $4000, however according to REA and financial advisors we've spoken with if we sell withing 5-10 years (which we plan to) pretty much all that $4000 translates into increased home value. We're upgrading from asphault shingles to standing seam and the standing seam, if maintained can last twice as long or longer than asphault. 

    we are also planning to add a bedroom to the basement, and as long as it is to code that increases the bedroom count on our house from 2BR to 3BR, in the housing climate in our area that would most likely translate to $10s of thousands of increased value on the home for about $7000 of investment. I'd be more willing to finance a PORTION of that project. 

    we also have plans for extending our existing deck and installing nice fencing for a dog-yard that wraps from the front to the side of our house, extending the deck allows the dog to be let in and out there opposed to our front door that couldn't be fenced in, as the deck exists now it's on the second story and there is no access to the yard from the deck.  these are projects that would probably only add whatever we spend on them in value to the house, so we're planning to save-up and pay cash. 
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  • I'm not 100% sure on how much equity we have right now.  We've only owned the home for 2 years, so we haven't paid much on the mortgage but the improvements we've made so far increased the appraisal from $120K to $190K (we had to do a construction to permanent loan in order to get the house up to liveable standards.  The city will not allow a dwelling to be occupied if it does not have a functioning kitchen and this house didn't even have drywall, so our loan was for more than the house was worth at the time).  I doubt we'd have enough to cover the renovation by the time it was needed unless we doubled up our payments rather than saving.

    We'd be adding 2-4 bedrroms and 1-2 bathrooms, and more than doubling the square footage of the home.  Currently we have 2100 sq. ft. but the basement (that is now a walk out) and  attic would be added as living space once finished.

     

  • I'm leaning towards saving as much as possible and then deciding if we should add more debt to make up the difference when the time comes to do the attic in order to keep our payments manageable.

    I'll look into mutual funds rather than the savings account (I get so weird about risk, haha).

    Thank you all for your help :)

  • In general, I am not in favor of pre-paying on any debt with an interest rate lower than average historic market returns.  We would have to be swimming in money for me to consider pre-paying our mortgage because I would much rather invest the money and make more than the 4% I'll have to pay in mortgage interest.  Especially since I can deduct mortgage interest on my taxes, which effectively makes the interest rate even lower than 4%.

    In your situation, I would probably save the extra money for renovations if they were going to be done in the next couple of years.  Otherwise I would invest the extra money to get a higher rate of return.  Like hoffse, I would also be okay taking out a HELOC to pay for home improvements that I knew would increase the value of the house if I wasn't able to save for the complete payment, especially if the interest rate would be low.
  • This is my suggestion because I am doing something similar to this with our house.  Do the renovations in stages.  Save up for the small ones if you can or take out HELOC loans to fund the small items such as finishing the master bedroom.  Do the more major projects when you are better off financially such as the attic and basement and space out the renovations over time.  Say this year do the master bed room and the deck.  Save/ pay down the loans for two years then do the attic and roof.  Finally 2 years after that do the basement and any other small project this way you can use a combination of cash and loans instead of only loans.
  • Do all the removations in cash - do not borrow money. There'd be no point in paying down one debt - just to borrow more money. you already have a lot of equity in the home since  you bought it for such a low price - don't worry about paying off the mortgage until all the renovations are done. Besides equity doesn't matter unless your about to sell it or have PMI. 

    Do them all in stages and always have a certain amount of cash setting on the side just for emergencies - like if something breaks or something needs replacing sooner rather then later. Don't worry about paying off debt - just do your best to avoid going further into debt. 

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  • I really think that when you're talking about a $100-$200K renovation, you should borrow it.  Sorry, but you would be losing a TON of possible investment income in the market if you paid cash for it 100% vs. taking out a low-interest rate loan.

    It's really a number's game - it's not just about increasing vs. decreasing debt.
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  • hoffse said:
    I really think that when you're talking about a $100-$200K renovation, you should borrow it.  Sorry, but you would be losing a TON of possible investment income in the market if you paid cash for it 100% vs. taking out a low-interest rate loan.

    It's really a number's game - it's not just about increasing vs. decreasing debt.
    I agree with this.  If we waited to have $100k to remodel everything, we would be 60 before we could do it. LOL.  Sometimes I'm impatient and think about selling this house and getting a new house with everything we want - hard wood floors, tiled shower that is big with multiple shower heads and a countertop with 2 sinks……but then we would have a house payment.
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  • I would put that money into savings instead of paying more on the mortgage. If you put it into savings then you can access it for the home repairs OR for any other emergency that could arise. I just like the idea of it being more liquid. IF you do decide to put that money towards the mortgage, make sure that you tell the mortgage company to apply the extra towards principle only. Otherwise, they will just use the extra to pay on interest and it won't really be increasing the equity in the home.
  • How is your retirement savings?  That should be your first priority, even if it means borrowing more for your home renovations, or scaling back how much you do.  You aren't going to be able to take out a loan when you can no longer work.

    With a 5-10 year time horizon, I would invest your savings in mutual funds rather than putting it in a savings account or paying down the mortgage early.

    Except, with 2100 sq ft of finished living space already, I'd probably not ever really want to renovate my house... I would be more interested in taking some kick ass vacations with that money.
  • We haven't finished our master bathroom and its really not a big deal...and I share an upstairs bathroom with my husband and 2 boys!  In all reality, its one less bathroom to clean!  I already have three, with the master that would make 4...who has time for that!  We use our master bathroom for storage and to hide things like christmas gifts since its one of the only rooms with a lock :)  Yes, some day when we have the money I will finish it, but right now its on the bottom of our list of priorities.
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