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Short Sales, Rentals, Oh my!

DH and I currently own a 2 bed, 1 bath home in a nice neighborhood with good amenities (pool, gym, etc). We bought the property 9 years ago when we got married and have renovated it and really enjoyed it. 9 years later however we are busting out of the home with 2 kids, and 2 dogs plus no yard and it's on the top floor without an elevator. So DH and I are currently under contract and in the early phases of buying a short sale home. We have decided to rent out our current property (if the short sale home comes through) for one year and then sell it at the end of the one year lease. So.... tell me about your experiences if you have rented out a home (how you did it, etc) and if you have purchased or been through a short sale. All the info and details are appreciated :-)

Re: Short Sales, Rentals, Oh my!

  • JuneMrs said:
    DH and I currently own a 2 bed, 1 bath home in a nice neighborhood with good amenities (pool, gym, etc). We bought the property 9 years ago when we got married and have renovated it and really enjoyed it. 9 years later however we are busting out of the home with 2 kids, and 2 dogs plus no yard and it's on the top floor without an elevator. So DH and I are currently under contract and in the early phases of buying a short sale home. We have decided to rent out our current property (if the short sale home comes through) for one year and then sell it at the end of the one year lease. So.... tell me about your experiences if you have rented out a home (how you did it, etc) and if you have purchased or been through a short sale. All the info and details are appreciated :-)
    I have no experience being a landlord nor do I have any desire to be one....I've heard horror stories!  Just curious why you would want to rent a year and then sell.  Why not just sell?
  • You are better of selling. Renting out your home can be a nightmare and then selling it can take forever since people are weary of a rented out home. 

    My husband and I bought a home that was rented out. It was in a great neighborhood, but hadn't had an offer for 3 months. Why? Because the inside looked like a pig sty. The renters obviously didn't clean up, so the presentation was just not nice. Our Realtor explained that that's probably why the house had not had any offers yet despite it being a lovely house. We were able to see past the mess and snatched it up. We got a decent deal on it too since the owner was sick of trying to sell the house. 

    Based on that, if it was me, I would just sell or be careful on who you pick as renters since they can affect your resale.... also as much as we love the home, the next time we buy, we probably will avoid a rented house, we had to replace all the carpet since their cat apparently peed everywhere.... but that was really the only downside.
  • 2 points... First, be aware that most underwriters won't give credit for rental income unless you have been receiving it consistently for a full 12 months. If you plan on purchasing a new home while renting out your current home, you will most likely be carrying both mortgages. 

    Secondly, be prepared for the short sale process to be anything but short. Third party approval can come in less than 2 weeks, or take as long as 6 months. I recently had a borrower wait 6 months for third party approval, only to have the bank counter-offer them. 

    Good luck!
  • I hope I am not too late for the party and you are still around, OP.  I bought my home three years ago and was specifically looking for a duplex type of house where I could live on one side and rent out the other.  I successfully did that and now have experience of both being a landlord and having been a home buyer who was looking at nothing but homes that typically had renters living in them.

    They are horror stories of renting places, most definitely.  But, so far, my experience as a landlady has been a very positive one.  I had one bad apple, who signed a lease and then reneged but, other thant that, all the actual tenants moved in have been fabulous, paid rent on time, and no one has caused damage.

    But now the downside and a strong recommendation for you.  Be up front with anyone who wants to rent your place that you will probably be selling it in about a year.  Include, in your lease, a clause that requires them to allow reasonable access to a realtor/potential buyers given 24 hours advance notice.  I'd even sweeten the deal further by lowring the rent by $100 for the last month or two of their lease (whatever time frame you'd have the house for sale), just as a further enticement for their inconvenience.

    I say the above because, when I was a buyer, there were three houses I requested a showing for from my realtor.  With the answer coming back from the selling realtor that the house had tenants and the tenants would not allow the showing.  Which was like, "Ummmm...if you can't even SHOW your house, why did you bother putting it on the market?"  For the houses I did look at with tenants in them.  Oh my yes!  They were usually messy and cluttered.  Not necessarily gross (though sometimes, lol), but a tenant isn't going to be concerned with dishes in the sink and clothes on the bedroom floor for a showing, like a home owner would be.

  • AprilH81 said:

    I'm probably too late to this post, but once you turn it into a rental property (income property) you are subject to more/higher taxes when you sell.

    A primary residence is NOT subject to Capital Gains taxes (assuming you are in the US) but a rental/investment property will be.  It could wipe out any net gains of owning the house for 9+ years.

    Good point.  And your home owner's insurance rates are also higher for a property you don't live in.
  • AprilH81 said:

    I'm probably too late to this post, but once you turn it into a rental property (income property) you are subject to more/higher taxes when you sell.

    A primary residence is NOT subject to Capital Gains taxes (assuming you are in the US) but a rental/investment property will be.  It could wipe out any net gains of owning the house for 9+ years.

    This is somewhat true. Yes you will be subject to capitol gains tax only if the home has not been your primary residence for 3 of the past 5 years. 

    My husband and I are renting out our home right now until he can get his job transferred back to the area. We are renting out through a property management company and thank goodness because our first tenants were not very good at all. dogs that must have peed on the carpet a few times, unruly kids, they let the weeds in our drought tolerant lawn grow 3 feet tall... they started getting behind on rent and the management co was able to bring up correct legal action to scare them into paying on time. When they moved out we had to replace the carpet, repaint almost every wall, lots of work. We were very glad to not have to make the 4 hour drive to do all the work ourselves. Plus the management co knew the best places to get decent quality work done for lower prices.
    Our new tenants are great. They pay on time, the yard looks better than ever. 
  • I can start a new discussion if need be, but I figured since this was discussed recently in this thread I'd just bump it.

    We were hoping to be out of our current home this summer. Our realtor thinks selling right now is a bad decision, since we'd have to bring so much money to closing (we would sell for less that what our home is worth. I KNOW. But we bought at the height). She wants to discuss renting it out for a couple of years with us.

    Advice? Any decent stories out there about renting your home out (through a property manager)? We're not quite going to cover the mortgage with renting the home out + paying the property manager-is that just asking for trouble? I know the reasonable answer is to stay in the house for 2 more years or so, but we really dislike the area. And there's no guarantee in two years the market will be any better than it is now.


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  • CatahoulaMomCatahoulaMom member
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    AprilH81 said:


    My DH did this with his condo for several years before we met.  He was able to break even on rent and the property manager, but it was still a hassle.  The property manager still came to him when there was a problem and he had to decide to fix it himself or hire someone.  The property manager was a horrible person, I got to meet her when the last tenant moved out and we put it on the market.  She talked down to me like I was a child even though I had more real estate experience than DH.

    He rented it out for 2 years and still lost money when he sold it, but he didn't have to bring money to the table.  Since it was listed as an investment property after two years of rent he was able to claim it as a business loss which helped his tax refund this year.

    Tenants, even good ones, will eventually cause damage to the property that will require funds to repair.  Tenants may break a lease and the property may sit empty for a month or two while you find a new renter.

    You get tax breaks on your primary residence, that might go away once it is a rental property.  Once it is rented out for a certain amount of time you will be subject to capital gains tax once you sell (assuming you can reach a point to make money).

    In theory it sounds great, just 'rent it out' but the whole pictures is a lot more complicated.  I would think long and hard on this...  

    Could you afford both houses if the house sits empty?  How will you fund repairs?
    Thanks @AprilH81 , I appreciate the response and your experience. I am going to think long and hard on this. We wouldn't be breaking even, we'd still owe about $40 each month after the renter pays what we estimate we'd charge plus the property manager's fee.Then with rental property insurance costing more than homeowners, that's additional...

    I don't know. I needed to write it all out and read it rationally and have someone with an unbiased opinion chime in.
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  • CatahoulaMom, just curious why you want a property manager because it sounds like you will still be living nearby, but a better area?  Not that there is anything wrong with a property manager, but if you live close enough to show the place yourself and take care of problems, I'd consider foregoing one to keep more profit/less loss.

     

     

  • @AprilH81, we plan on having a long meeting with the potential property manager (who I know and like, thankfully!) to discuss all of the negative aspects of renting the house out. I'm definitely not sold on the idea. We've been putting money aside for a little over a year each week to prepare to move, and our reasons are 1-because the area is going downhill, 2-our son is starting school in the fall and the school system where we are is not good, 3-I hate my commute and am not a fan of my job, and 4-because our ideal location is much closer to the beach. It's a combination of things that have been building up for a long time. We COULD wait another year, I'd just rather not. Plus we have to put DS in a private school, so that's extra $$.

    @Short+sassy , we actually aren't staying anywhere close to the area, it is about an 8 hour drive in a different state. I'd love to do it myself but I can't imagine doing it from that far away :/
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  • Have you thought about talking to a different realtor?  Sounds like this one has a vested interest in you renting the property out....
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  • AprilH81 said:
    jtmh2012 said:
    Have you thought about talking to a different realtor?  Sounds like this one has a vested interest in you renting the property out....
    This...  Even though you know and like your realtor be sure to talk to at least two other people about how they would manage the property, how much you can get for rent, downsides, tax implications (should talk to an accountant about that really) etc.

    While you're at it, put in a call to your inteded mortgage company if you plan on buying another house.  They're going to want to see that you have the income to support carrying both houses  whether that means your direct income or rent from a tenant (established).
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  • @AprilH81, we plan on having a long meeting with the potential property manager (who I know and like, thankfully!) to discuss all of the negative aspects of renting the house out. I'm definitely not sold on the idea. We've been putting money aside for a little over a year each week to prepare to move, and our reasons are 1-because the area is going downhill, 2-our son is starting school in the fall and the school system where we are is not good, 3-I hate my commute and am not a fan of my job, and 4-because our ideal location is much closer to the beach. It's a combination of things that have been building up for a long time. We COULD wait another year, I'd just rather not. Plus we have to put DS in a private school, so that's extra $$.

    @Short+sassy , we actually aren't staying anywhere close to the area, it is about an 8 hour drive in a different state. I'd love to do it myself but I can't imagine doing it from that far away :/

  • Thanks a lot, you all. We did speak with our mortgage company but we aren't planning on buying in our new area for at least a year, likely two. I hadn't considered talking to another realtor but now that two of you have brought it up, that could be something else we do before making a decision.

    I really appreciate all the insight :)
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