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Issues / Falling Out With My Mom (sorry it's long, but I need advice)

Hello - I've been having some issues with my mom over the past few years & it has now come to a breaking point.  Sorry it’s long & maybe I just needed to vent.

Short Background...

            My mom & I have always been really close (or so I thought).  She was a single parent who did everything with me....her & my dad divorced about 31 years ago (I'm about to be 32).  She has been dating her boyfriend for about 20 or more years now & they are raising his grand-daughter (they have managerial rights) for the past 8 years.  We used to talk daily, but over the past couple of years I've started trying to limit contact because of the issues that are happening and 2 weeks ago I completely cut off contact with her.

 

The Issues....

            1) In the middle of wedding planning is when the problems started.  Both of my parents said they would pay for the wedding and they each told us what they would cover.  When I reached out to both of them to confirm the totals on everything & re-confirm what they said, my mom cut the budget in half & then eventually told me to get a second job....my dad held up his end even though he didn't have a job at the time, but my mom bailed out on most of it (she owns her business).  When it came down to wedding dress shopping my mom bailed on me again when we were supposed to go out of town to look at this dress I found (which ended up being the one).  She said she had to work, but I found out while at the dress store that she was at a swimming pool party with her BF's grand-daughter.  I've told her several times how upsetting this was, but her response was "oh well get over it" & she "didn't want to waste time shopping for a dress".

            2)  My mom has been complaining for the past several years about how miserable her BF and his grand-daughter have been making her life.  She only talks about the negative stuff & never anything positive.  I keep trying to provide her with resolutions, but she always has an excuse for why it won't work, etc...  I've expressed to her that if she's not going to make any changes about her situation then I do not want to keep hearing about it.  Needless to say she still complains them.  

            3)  My mom has now started complaining about other people (including family members) that are her age (with no kids at home) who are going out every weekend to the lake, out with friends, trips, concerts, etc... I explained to her that's what people do at her age and that she could be doing the same thing.

            4)  I feel like my mom has replaced me with her BF's grand-daughter.  Every time we plan to do something together she cancels on me at the last possible minute to go do something with this kid instead.  At times, I’ve been able to have my aunt or step-mom fill in which hurts my mom’s feelings or I’ll continue the day by myself.  If she doesn't cancel, she'll bring the kid along even though she said she was coming by herself.  She usually has the same excuse....either her BF isn't capable of watching his grand-daughter or that the grand-daughter and him were not getting along that day.  When she does this, the entire day changes, our plans are canceled & she leaves within an hour of arriving because she has the kid with her.  She feels that it’s fine for her to do this to me, but it’s wrong of me to ask someone else to fill in where she bailed / left off.

            5)  My mom is not on any legal paperwork for this kid & her BF only has managerial rights (for education or medical) if the parents are not there to make a decision.  They took this kid in to help out the parents until they got back on their feet since they could not raise her properly at the time & her parents are capable of taking her back at any time they want; however, my mom won't let them.  I've spoke to both parents of this kid to get a better understanding & found out that mom will not let them see their daughter at times or that she pushes them away when they try to do anything that a normal parent would do with their kids.  I was told by both of the parents that it’s now just easier to let my mom & her BF deal with the kid & to just stay out of the picture even though they both want the kid back. 

            6)  When I try to talk to my about all of these things she either shuts down, changes the subject, or hangs up on me.  She refuses to talk about any of these things & appears to believe that if she ignores them that they will eventually go away, but in reality it's only making the situation worse.  Since I haven't been able to have a conversation with my mom, I sent her an email about 2 weeks ago explaining how I feel about all of this & that the email was the only way for me to explain how I felt since she refuses to talk to me about any of this.  I have spoken to her once since that email & I asked if she received it because I never heard back from her.  She said that she did get it, but wasn't going to respond back to it because it's too long, she doesn't have time, & because she's a short & sweet kind of person.  Instead of talking to me about it, she changed the subject again & got off the phone.

            7)  She called my husband yesterday to complain to him how I ruined her life.  Before that call, he had no clue there was an issue going on.  He explained everything that I just wrote out above to her, but it fell on deaf ears.  She told him that the reason she cancels plans with me at the last minute is because she doesn't feel like coming to see me....she knows she's not going to show up, but still makes plans with me to make me happy at that moment just to hurt me later.  He told me that he advised her to be the bigger person & reach out to me to have a normal conversation about it, but he didn't think she was capable of doing that so he asked me to do it.  Later in the evening I went to message her, but I already had a text from her calling me jealous, immature, that if the kids parents come to get their kid then she will be done with me, that I needed to “grow the hell up”, & accused me of hurting a kid (which I never did).  The parents of this kid are both married to other people now, have jobs, a house, and other kids that they take care of, etc… so this kid would NOT be affected by going back to either parent.

She believes that the issue is this kid, but it’s not even though she uses the kid as an excuse for her actions.  It’s like she’s deflecting the problem to everything around her instead of addressing the problem that myself & others have explained to her.  I have no problem with them raising this kid, but I do have a problem with her need to continue to lie to me, blow me off when we've made plans together, etc…  I’m not asking to see her every day, week, or month because I know we both have our own lives to live & other things to tend to, but I would like to see my mom from time to time.  I’m not asking her to stop raising this kid or to leave her BF, but she thinks I am.  No matter what I try explaining to her gets blown out of proportion & turned into something that it’s not or she has an outburst that makes no sense as if she was a teenager.  If we can’t communicate with each other & she refuses to see what’s happening to our relationship, what do I do?

Re: Issues / Falling Out With My Mom (sorry it's long, but I need advice)

  • "If we can’t communicate with each other & she refuses to see what’s happening to our relationship, what do I do?"

    Unfortunately, based on all the information you've given, there is absolutely nothing you can do at this point. You AND your husband have both spelled out, both on the phone and in writing, and in great detail, exactly what's bothering you and what she's doing, and she literally refuses to discuss it.

    Not only that but she admits to not wanting to see you, among so many other crappy things that you've outlined here that tell me you did the right thing by cutting off contact with her.

    The only thing that gives me pause is... how old is your mother?

    I ask because you say she's dating someone who is a grandparent, and you also say you always used to have a great relationship with her except for the past couple of years. Given her seemingly sudden turn torward being rude, immature, inconsistent and manipulative - which you say did not used to be who she was at all - might there be any possibility that there's a mental health issue going on due to aging?

    If so she should be evaluated, but if not, good riddance. You're better off with that toxic drama out of your life. You have my sympathies.
  • @wife kitty - she will be 52 in October.

    I spoke with my grandmother this morning and found out that my mom went crying to her twice this week saying that I was trying to make her choose between them and me which is not the case.  My grandmother wants me work things out with her because it's going to make my "mom sick if she continues to stress over it".  

    Several people have told me that my mom has always been this way and that she's difficult to deal with.  The past couple of years is my first time seeing her like this so it's very confusing to me.....and I'm wondering if people just ignore her behavior (pretend like nothing happened) because they know they won't get anywhere with her if they try to resolve a problem with her.
  • "I'm wondering if people just ignore her behavior (pretend like nothing happened) because they know they won't get anywhere with her if they try to resolve a problem with her."

    That could well be. Sometimes you get so tired of arguing that you figure it's better to just let the other person go off and say what they're going to say. Since age isn't the issue here - it's just her personality, according to those who know her - maybe you were just spared seeing that side of her for a very long time, and now the true colors are catching you off guard.

    I can appreciate where your grandma's coming from because it's really tough to see people you care about in the middle of a feud. I myself am in the middle of watching a lot of drama between my in-laws and my grandparents-in-law. I admit that I would prefer it if some type of peaceful resolution was reached between them.

    But on the other hand, I definitely respect that it's nobody else's place to try to force them to make up. If you try to force a relationship or a reconciliation between people, the only thing that's likely to happen is that both parties will remain mad at each other, but now also be mad at you for interfering. I've been the person who's gotten very angry in my own troubles with relatives, because well-meaning third parties try to tell me that I "should" work things out, and that's really not their call to make; it's mine.

    So knowing that it's your call to make - I would say do what brings you the most peace of mind. If you need to stay separated from your mom's drama, it's totally understandable in light of how she's treated you. If you feel that you want to give it one more try, then you are more patient than I think I would be. Either way I know it's hard.
  • Wait, what?

    This is one of the most selfish things I've yet to read on the Nest. Holy hell.

    Can you step outside of yourself even for just a MOMENT?

    I can't even bring myself to address all of the self-centered, inappropriate, boundary demolishing and self-absorbed points in your message.But for starters:

    Nobody is obligated to pay for YOUR wedding. Yes, she offered and that was a lovely gesture, but now she clearly cannot afford it. FFS, neither can your UNEMPLOYED FATHER - but their needs/feelings/situations are irrelevant to you. Completely and utterly irrelevant. That your mother owns her own business does not magically mean that she can afford to pay for your wedding or that her disposable income (not business expenditure or business cash flow - different things) at this moment in time can be given to you. For you to be demanding it and all outraged that you didn't get it is unreasonable and selfish. 

    Does it suck? Yes. Does it hurt? Of course. However, your reaction and expectation here is in appropriate.

    YOU ACTUALLY CONTACTED THIS CHILD'S PARENTS?!?!?!?! What? Why would you ever feel that this was your place? And you feel that this child would not be negatively effected by being placed back with his/her parents because... what? Because both parents were in such crappy situations that their child was given up in the first place? Because both parents clearly want their child so desperately much that they've taken legal recourse on their own to recover their child? Thaaaaaat.... what, exactly? That YOU somehow know the full situation and know what is best for this child?

    You are upset that your mother has 'substituted this 'kid' for you'. Yes, that hurts, but how are you making this situation any easier or better? Your mother is OBVIOUSLY in a difficult situation with a boyfriend that fights with and can't care for his granddaughter that is now in his care so she has taken over and HER OWN DAUGHTER is railing against her selfless choice so incredibly badly. I feel so badly for your mother in this entire situation. Did I read this completely wrong???

    Your mother is complaining (venting) to you about her friends going on holidays and relaxing while she has had to generously step in to raise another young child. Instead of supporting her (which is what she was looking for from you - her FAMILY, and what you want so badly from her, no?) you crap all over her and tell her that if she's not willing to do what YOU think she should do then she has no right to complain to you about it. Nice. Very nice.

    Your mother didn't go dress shopping with you to another town - because she had other obligations. Yeah, that stings and it sucks. Maybe her home life right now is so stressful that were she to go the stress once she got home would have been unbearable. It doesn't excuse the fact that you were hurt (as most people would have been) but step outside of yourself for a moment to think about what her motivations really were. What her situation is like and what is prompting her choices. 

    Seriously. Did I just read this entire thing wrong?
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  • You contacted this kid's parents???? I just can't get over that.

    And you don't even state is this 'kid' is a girl or a boy. You HATE this kid and it is so obvious, even though your mother has been raising 'it' as her child for 8 years now. And her BF is actually her 'partner' as they've been together for 20 years. 20 years! This is not a 'boyfriend' at this point. Show some respect for your mother's family and your relationship with her might turn around.
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  • Yeah I also stopped reading after she said that her unemployed father paid for her wedding.  Who in their right mind would allow that to happen ?  Even if he didn't pay for the whole thing,  how could you ?
  • Just FYI - I had NO problem paying for my own wedding.  When we announced the engagement we planned to pay 100% of it ourselves & then both of my parents stated that they wanted to pay for it.....I come from a VERY traditional country family where the brides parents pay for everything, but I NEVER asked for it or "demanded it".  I did reconfirm their offer to ensure I was in budget & that's when all the BS started.  I spent $20K+ out of my pocket which I'm NOT complaining about because that was the original plan, I had everything I wanted, & made a lot of the stuff myself.  My dad paid for about $1K (if that, because he's really good friends with the owner's of the vendors that he selected) & my mom paid about the same ($1K) after it was all said & done (money was never an issue for my mom - she's also good friends with the vendor that we used).  The major expenses (that I paid for) were for the dress, our bridal party, mine & their hotels, & the vendors that we selected from the city we live in plus their travel cost to the town that the wedding was in.  The wedding example was merely to state that's where the "flip" in personalities happened with my mom.  I'm almost certain it was because my dad was involved with this aspect of my life.....but that's my mom's issue to deal with not mine.  It was also to point out the behavior of not wanting to share an important moment that a mom & daughter share......one that she was originally excited about, but then bailed out on.  She knew how exciting & important this was to me, & how much she hurt me, but didn't care.  I was completely fine with her story of having to work that day; however, it was a lie & that's where my problem is.  If she would have been honest in the beginning this topic wouldn't even be listed in my original post.

    Yes - I've spoke to both parents of this kid to get a better understanding of the situation.  Why is it my place to do this you ask?  Because it's affecting my relationship with my mother - if it wasn't affecting our relationship then I would never have reached out to them.  I'm being pushed further away, she uses them as an excuse for everything (in negative way - & not just with me) & I needed to understand why when me & my mom used to have a VERY close relationship my entire life & now it's non-existent.  I never told them to take their kid back or anything mean - I did, however, learn that my mom is making it difficult for them to see their kid (so I'm not the only person with an issue with my mom - unfortunately they have more than me which they can figure out on their own).  I say kid, because the sex of the kid is irrelevant.  Like I told both of the kid's parents, I have no problem with my mom raising this kid - I just needed to know the truth of the matter.

    Please don't get me wrong - I think it's great that my mom is helping this kid; however, I do feel she signed up for more than she can handle & now she's stuck.  I don't hate the kid - it's not their fault that all of this is going on & the problems that I've listed are not about the kid even though the kid has been used as an excuse.  I've been very careful not to make any of this about the kid because it really isn't their fault.  I'm certain my mom just doesn't know how to manage her time even with plenty of notice.  When we have discussed this situation in the past I have asked her why she doesn't change it, but I never get a response.  I've tried every possible approach for trying to help her / find out what's wrong (even the ones that she uses on me), but it's all to no avail.  Most of the time it's hard to talk to her because she refuses to talk about ANYTHING (even the weather) if her BF (boyfriend is how everyone in our family / friends of the family address him) or the kid is in hearing distance.  I've always known my mom to be very happy go lucky, outgoing, etc... person, but the past 3-5 years have been the complete opposite & is only getting worse.  I haven't heard her speak of one positive thing in at least a year or 2 whether it was about herself or anyone else.  My self & my husband have offered on several occasions to send her to a spa for a day (or a just a couple of hours), or just a mini-vacation like a weekend getaway for her alone, but she refuses every time.

    In regards to # 6 down to the end of my original post - I have tried contacting my mom several more times per the request of my grandma, but all it did was make her call everyone in our family & spread lies about me.  The only reason I know this is because I received text & emails from 3 of my younger cousins cussing me out & threatening me.  My mom's sister thinks my mom might be going through a midlife crises & also got mad at my mom because she told my grandma what the surprise is that me & my aunt are working on for her 80th birthday & what we got her for her birthday present.  My grandma is now having to fix everything with the family that my mom has started about me which is not something that her or anyone else should have been involved in.  1 of the 3 cousins reached back out to me last night to apologize for their earlier actions.

    It's like the more I try to reach out & address the problem (no matter how nicely I do it) the more she escalates the problem.  Obviously I'm speaking my mind / being more direct in these postings than I am with her.  I've been very polite with her & sensitive to the subject, but she won't respond to me or tell me why she keeps pushing me away.  After the stunt she pulled with the entire family I doubt there is any saving left for this relationship, but I hope I'm wrong because it would be such a waste.
  • You seem to really want to salvage your relationship with your mother - but if you cannot even acknowledge that what you did was wrong - contacting the 'kid''s parents (among other things) then you don't seem to have much hope of doing so. 

    It's difficult, but I don't think that you are going to be able to repair this without some serious soul searching. Your mother may be in the wrong on some things, but you certainly are too.
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