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ROTH IRA

jessica490jessica490 member
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edited July 2014 in Money Matters

So I had posted the other day about opening an IRA through Fidelity (where my 401K is currently). I had said there was a Roth option to contribute to underneath my 401K contribution amount so when I called Fildelity I had asked them about it and I can't remember the reason but they said it was a ROTH pre-tax contribution of some kind...I didn't really understand and it wasn't what I wanted. So anyway I had told them I wanted to open up an IRA and I didn't realize that I needed either to roll money into it from my 401K (having to loose money with the taxes to transfer it), or having $2,500 to open the account (she said we could open an account and make automactic deposits into it with no required deposit but I don't like automating things beacause we may not always have a certain amount of money in there for that). Well I don't want to roll it over to loose some money, and I don't have the $2500 to open it right now as we are saving for other things and it just feels way to overwhelming to save up $2500 for this account that I know is important. We are hoping to buy a house next year and my dad had said to wait until that's done with so we can just save up the $2500-$5000 real quick and open accounts for both of us. I already feel pressured to build an e-fund, vacation, and house fund and then to worry about opening this ROTH as quick as possible just gets me down. We are both 31 and I really want these accounts open and I figure once they are opened we don't always need to contribute a lot to it but it feels like another thing to save for. We would never max those accounts out at $5,500 because we don't even put that much in our 401K's every year.....

So my question is how do you guys contribute to a 401K, pay bills, save for other things and then have money to deposit into a ROTH every year?....it just seems hopeless and like a lot more to save for.... do you have a seperate savings account for it? I guess it just didn't work the way I thought it would (almost like a 401K, never having to see the money be taken out)

Re: ROTH IRA

  • Deep breath. First of all, great job thinking about this and even making steps to set it up - you are miles ahead of most Americans.

    I would check out Vanguard. They tend to have the lowest fees in the industry (some of their mutual funds for IRAs have no fees). And, they only require a modest opening amount to set up. Their opening amount is only $1,000. www.vanguard.com

    Another option, if you, DH or your parent is active, retired or honorable separated from any branch of the military is USAA. They have an investment side. www.usaa.com . Again, low or no fees and super easy.

    Here's what we do...we take shorter vacations 3-4 days throughout the year to cut down on costs. We Priceline everything at the last minute, then we go back and cancel all our more expensive reservations that we don't end up needing. Also, our trips are not extravagant...we stay in lower cost hotels (basically just sleep there) and we rent the cheapest cars possible (just to get from point A to B).

    Wanting to save for emergencies, house and vacations are all great ideas. However, your retirement is a long term investment. And the more you pour into it in your early years, the more you will end up with in the long term when you are 65 or 70. This is to the compounding of interest. Anyway, it's wise to make retirement savings a priority now when you're younger as that money will grow a lot in the next 30-35 years.

    Once you get an IRA set up, you can add to it automatically each month from your checking account.

    The order of priorty I think you should have would be:

    1. e-fund of 3 months expenses to start.

    2. Opening amount for IRA.

    3. 3 more months of living expenses to e-fund.

    4. House savings

    5. Vacation savings.

    You didn't mention any debts you have like student loans or cars or credit cards. So, that all has to be factored in too.

    Post your detailed budget here for more help on ways to save and plan.

     

  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Well with all due respect to your dad, I disagree with him.  If you wait until you're done buying a house, you might miss the contribution window for 2014.

    You can make contributions to a Roth account for a given year from Jan 1 through Tax Day of the FOLLOWING year.  So for 2014 you can contribute from Jan 1, 2014 through April 15, 2015.  But if you make a contribution on April 16, 2015 you have missed the 2014 contribution window and you can't make that up later.  Does that make sense?

    Every year matters a lot, so I would make sure you contribute something every single year.

    Also - I think retirement contributions matter more than buying a house and matter way more than saving for vacation.  If you have to pick only one, fund your retirement.  I'll try to say this gently, but you guys really need to find a way to be saving more than $5,500/year per person in your retirement.  That's just not very much money in the long run, and it's the reason why people contribute to both IRAs and 401(k)s.  You and your H need to be able to live off of your retirement for 20-30 years, and I'm sure you can see why saving less than $11,000/year isn't going to cut it (even with growth).

    As for striking that balance, I contribute to Roth accounts first because I like the tax benefits.  If your employer offers a match against your 401(k), I suggest contributing to your 401(k) up to the match, then send everything else to your Roth IRA until you max that out too.

    Unfortunately, Roth IRAs (like all IRAs) are entirely self-funded.  That takes some planning and self discipline to do it.  One way to do it is to have cash automatically transferred out of your checking account and into a savings account that you designate as a holding place for Roth contributions.  You do not touch it, short of some emergency.  You let that savings account build through the year and then once a year move money out of it and fund your Roth.  It takes self-discipline not to spend that money while it's sitting there, but it is available at a moment's notice if you have a true, unexpected emergency and need cash quickly.

    If you really can't save that money on your own, then I would simply increase your 401(k) contributions slowly but surely.  Lots of people only successfully save for retirement by having their employer take it out for them, and if that's you guys then you need to know that about yourselves and go about it that way.  It's not the most tax-advantaged way of doing things, but it's significantly better than not saving enough to begin with.
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  • Thank you guys....I've also had second thoughts about our priorites, while we don't have any debt or plan to have kids, I was hoping that was going to help us in the long run. We do increase our 401K's every year, but maybe we are living above our means even though vacation and some electronics are our only splurge items we really have. We also live in HCOL which is why I'm toying with the idea of moving down south because everything feels so much more expensive here are we aren't brain surgeons or lawyers. We make about $90,000 combined which doesn't seem like a lot at all compared to other people here, but I know everyones situation is different. I cut coupons and have a budget but it just feels like we just can't save enough while living a decent life.
  • MommyLiberty- I will check into Vanguard! I wanted to keep everything with Fidelity but it doesn't need to be that way. $1000 is a lot easier than $2500, even for H and I.

    Also, I do try to do cheap trips, we use cheap hotels or stay with family, and we rent the smallest cheapest car we can get. We only travel once or twice a year and we usually don't do the long weekend/day trips because we are tired of things to do in our area (another reason to move)..but I do think we can do better in this dept.

  • hoffsehoffse member
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    $90,000 goes a hell of a long way down South.  

    Granted, salaries for equivalent jobs tend to be lower down here too, but cost of living overall is still significantly cheaper for the most part.

    I suggest you look into Tennessee - they have no state income tax.  Personally, I would really love to save that 6%.

    Even better - live and work in Tennessee, shop in North GA.  GA has virtually no sales tax on groceries.  You only pay local tax (if any) on groceries there.

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  • Yea I realize our salaries may drop, but I do have hope LOL! Is Tennessee in tornado zone because there is no way.........

    My companys corporate office is in VA that why I would choose it because I really love my company. We are going there in Sept to stay with my former boss to check it out. Cheap trip

    :D
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Yea I realize our salaries may drop, but I do have hope LOL! Is Tennessee in tornado zone because there is no way.........

    My companys corporate office is in VA that why I would choose it because I really love my company. We are going there in Sept to stay with my former boss to check it out. Cheap trip

    :D
    West and central Tennessee gets tornadoes - but there's a bit of a mountain range between Nashville and Chattanooga that blocks a lot of bad weather from the eastern side of the state.  It can still come in from the southwest - like from the Birmingham direction on up - but that whole area is pretty hilly, and that dissipates a ton of bad weather.

    I love love love Nashville, but it does have seriously crappy weather.  It's like they get the worst of everything.  Huddling down for tornadoes in my dorm room was not the greatest college experience ever, I'll admit.  On the other hand, the likelihood of them touching down where you are is super small.  I've lived in the tornado zones for most of my life, and I've only had two close calls where tornadoes touched down within 10 miles of my location.

    Virginia is really beautiful.  If you are outside of the DC area, housing prices drop a lot.  If you are in the DC area, it's still crazy expensive.
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  • I get so traumatized seeing those crazy tornados on the news....I can't imagine living in a place where you could loose all you have in an instant..makes me wonder why people stay there...

     

    Anyway, it would be in the Richmond, VA area so still cheap...I have no desire to live anywhere near DC!!

  • I get so traumatized seeing those crazy tornados on the news....I can't imagine living in a place where you could loose all you have in an instant..makes me wonder why people stay there...

     

    Anyway, it would be in the Richmond, VA area so still cheap...I have no desire to live anywhere near DC!!

    This fear seems really irrational.  I've lived in Kansas my entire life and have never been in or even seen a tornado.  (Damage after the fact, yes, but an actual cyclone, never.)
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  • To answer a practical point of your question-I fund my Roth IRA biweekly. Every pay check I put about 12% of my take home into it. Then I log in two days later to buy one of my funds with the deposit.

    We save for a house and vacations too, but I make this payment (currently $130 a paycheck) a priority equal to my electric bill-it must be paid. It only wouldn't be in a true emergency. I also get a 5% taxable "match" check each month, and that goes right in. This will allow me to max out the Roth starting with 2014, and then I'll put any overflow into a taxable brokerage account mentally earmarked for retirement.

    I like Fidelity, but I do second looking at Vanguard. I'm actually considering switching over and doing the low-cost index portfolio investment approach. We'll see!
  • smerkasmerka member
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    Deep breath. First of all, the recommended amount for saving for retirement is 10-15%. If you had a goal of maxing out Roth IRA contributions for both of you, that would be $11,000 and would put you in that range. Obviously, the more money you can put away, the better, but you still need to eat, right? Depending on your tax situation, contributing to a 401k can make sense, but I personally think Roths are the way to go for younger people.
  • I get so traumatized seeing those crazy tornados on the news....I can't imagine living in a place where you could loose all you have in an instant..makes me wonder why people stay there...

     

    Anyway, it would be in the Richmond, VA area so still cheap...I have no desire to live anywhere near DC!!

    You have asked before on The Nest about moving to RIC, right?  About neighborhoods and houses? That was months ago... If you are gonna move, then do it. You'll reap the savings sooner by moving down there. Parts of RIC are $$$ for real estate. I would rent for awhile there and get a feel for it.

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