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Low home cost but high taxes vs. the opposite

jessica490jessica490 member
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edited October 2014 in Money Matters

So since H and I plan on buying a house next year after we sell our condo, I've been going back and forth on something. Right now we live in a city (it's not a city like new York but it's bigger than a town so they call it a city. It's pretty rural everywhere and there are no tall groups of buildings. When poking around at homes online in our price range which will be about $220K max, we can find a bunch of homes that will meet our needs in the same city, but the mil rate for our city is 34 (I don't know if it's .34 or 34%-not sure how its measured) so the property/car taxes are pretty expensive. But when I look at homes in surrounding towns, the mil rates are 26-28 but there are hardly any homes in our price range that we would even consider buying because they are just dumpy. We would probably be paying $220K-$240K for something livable. I'm sure we may stumble among something that we would could fix up in these surrounding towns, but I would REALLY like to stay in the town that we live in....so don't you think we would break even regardless if we bought a cheaper home with high taxes vs. a more expensive home with cheaper taxes? Can you give me some advice? We had toyed with the idea of moving to cheaper states but I don't think we are going to be doing that until retirement or so....I live in CT with HCOL. Help me make sense of which would financially be a better decision.


Just to give an example, we have friends that just bought a house in our city for $209,000 brand new/re-built from top to bottom, and her taxes will be in the $5,000 range for the year

Re: Low home cost but high taxes vs. the opposite

  • I don't know much about property taxes, but I do know that a millage rate of 34 is not a 34% tax.  That would be unbelievably cost-prohibitive

    Rather, I THINK most municipalities multiply the value of the property by the millage rate and then divide that by 1,000 to get the base rate for property taxes.  So (I think) a $220,000 house at a millage rate of 34 would be $7480 per year as the base rate.  The $240,000 house with a millage rate of 26 gives you a base rate $6,240 per year for property taxes

    I'm saying "base rate" because you may be eligible for a homestead exemption that lowers the taxes for you (this probably explains why your friend's $209,000 house only has $5,000 of property taxes... that or your friend doesn't want to tell you how much they are paying in property taxes and s/he isn't being entirely honest).  Usually homestead exemptions are only available for a primary residence.  Homestead exemptions vary a lot by state, so that's something you would have to look up.

    Also keep in mind you can deduct your property taxes from your federal income taxes if you itemize.  You can only deduct interest on a mortgage, and over time the amount of interest you are paying becomes less and less as the mortgage is amortized.

    Practically, if it were me, I wouldn't worry about the property taxes vs. house price so much and I would buy in the area I want to live in.  Just make sure you are buying comfortably within your budget.

    **None of this is legal advice.  You can find all of this on investopedia/google.

     
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  • Xstatic3333Xstatic3333 member
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    It sounds like taxes in your city are similar to mine.  It's a drag.  Honestly, we didn't let taxes in and of themselves factor into our decision.  Like you, we considered nearby towns but our money wouldn't have gone nearly as far.  Considerations we thought about were:

    -Did we want to deal with a fixer upper?  We decided we were okay with cosmetic fixes but nothing we couldn't live with for a while.  That turned out to be a good decision for us, because most of the cosmetic fixes haven't happened yet.

    -Could we do a 5-year starter home?  For us, we decided it wasn't worth it to buy unless it had forever home potential.  

    -Commute times.  We wanted to drive less in general and living in a city gives us that.  We're in a situation where one of us needs to have a commute, but it's nice to be a mile from groceries and Home Depot.

    -Schools.  Even if you don't plan on kids, schools have a big effect on property values.  Our city schools have a tough reputation.  We do plan to evaluate the public schools when the time comes and make our own decision (I put very little stock in test scores, but a lot of stock in actual teaching practices) but we wouldn't have bought here if there weren't reasonable-for-us private and Catholic options nearby.

    -City services.  Wow, do I love single-stream recycling.  They'll even take away couches and appliances.  It's magical!

    -Where do we want to actually live, all things being equal?

    All of these factors led us to the city.  The taxes are a drag, and I hope they don't go up too far, but we just made sure our overall payment was quite comfortable and I don't really think too much about the breakdown.  We got a much nicer house than we could have in the suburbs.
  • FWIW, I live in a self-incorporated city in Birmingham with a very high millage rate for this area.  It's 9.26.  If we were willing to live in the crappy school district, our millage rate would be 4.75. 

    Just some food for thought when you contemplate where to retire.  Hint: If you retire in Florida, you don't have to pay state income taxes on your retirement income.  And Florida only requires you to live there for 6 months and 1 day out of the year to be a permanent resident (IE you could rent out your house during high season when it's blindingly hot anyway to cover a good chunk of your mortgage payments on that residence).

    Just saying.  
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  • Yes, this would probably be our forever home in CT. That's a good idea to try out the mortgage calculator, I didn't really pay attention to the taxes part of it though so I will see how it comes out! We really don't want to go out of budget just to get into an area with cheaper taxes, because we really want to buy a house in the $180-190$K range. It's all we need for not having any kids so why over do it.


    Xstatic- There are all very good points and I am right there with you on all of them. This is exactly why I don't want to leave this city

  • @Xstatic's advice is good.  At the end of the day, you are probably going to be making a single payment to your bank.  At least, that's how it works down here.  About $400/month of our payment goes to taxes/insurance in escrow, but it's all taken out at once.  I sort of view the whole thing as our "mortgage."

    As long as the total payment is comfortable, it's something that you sort of stop noticing I think.  The life factors make a much bigger difference, and honestly it was worth paying twice as much in taxes (to us) to live where we do than to move to the crappy school district.  Those higher taxes usually do come with some perks.
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  • hoffse said:
    @Xstatic's advice is good.  At the end of the day, you are probably going to be making a single payment to your bank.  At least, that's how it works down here.  About $400/month of our payment goes to taxes/insurance in escrow, but it's all taken out at once.  I sort of view the whole thing as our "mortgage."

    As long as the total payment is comfortable, it's something that you sort of stop noticing I think.  The life factors make a much bigger difference, and honestly it was worth paying twice as much in taxes (to us) to live where we do than to move to the crappy school district.  Those higher taxes usually do come with some perks.
    Yea, makes sense! Thanks!
  • I will add that we got a ton of judgement from people in our lives for buying in the city. Most of it evaporated once they saw the house and neighborhood, but if one more person says "you're going to move before you have kids in school, right?" I'm going to scream. If your family knows you're not planning on kids you may not have to deal with that, but it sure is irritating. Just stay strong in what you want. Everybody's got an opinion these days...
  • Yes, my dad who lives in the sticks (literally 20 min to any grocery store or highway) always says we need to get out of our city because of the high taxes and it has some ghetto areas which we ARENT going anywhere near but it's annoying because it's the place I feel most comfortable/familiar with. Yea, there are robberies and shootings but it's only in the ghetto!
  • When we bought our house, taxes weren't really a deciding factor for us.  We were more focused on finding an area where we wanted to live and an area where home prices have remained steady.  In my opinion, I'd much rather pay a couple extra thousand in taxes each year than buy in an area where home prices are likely to plummet the month after we close.  If the increased taxes also means better schools/city services (I realize this is not always the case) then I would then really rather live in the area with higher taxes.

    Focus on what qualities that you (and other homebuyers) are looking for in a neighborhood.  Don't worry about the taxes, as long as they are affordable.


  • We bought the cheaper house with higher taxes. Our house was 295,000 when we bought it and is now worth about $250,000-275,000. Our property taxes are currently $9,700 a year. If we would have bought in the next school district over, which is more established and is no longer building new schools, our house would have been at least $100,000 more but the taxes would have been more like 6,000-7,000. We never have to worry about being able to itemize because of the property taxes, but it really kills me that our escrow payment for taxes and insurance is more than our principal and interest payment. You can probably look up the actual taxes for properties you are interested in on your county's website.
  • EEK, those are high property taxes.  I personally wouldn't want to live in an area with taxes that high or even higher.  One day when you pay off the house then you still need to pay the taxes.

    Commute times, Good Schools, and Convenance are all important factors like Xstatic  said
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  • It would definitely depend on a lot of factors but I would prefer lower property taxes and more expensive house. At least with the house, when/if you sell, you get your money back (hopefully!). 
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  • Honestly, this is very non- MM of me, but I would buy the house in the neighborhood you want to be in. There are so many factors that come into buying a house that I wouldn't let taxes either high or low play much of a part in my decision. Is it the right school district? Do you like the area? How is the commute to work? Is it a community- or just another street full of houses (will you potentially know your neighbors if you want to) Are there parks in the area for kids, walking trails, dog park, pool, etc, that you and DH like to use.
    We decided to buy in a high tax area, knowing that our property taxes this year may be up to 10k which is insane to me. But when we think of what we are getting for it versus our last home where there was none of this, it makes it completely worth it. We have a community, good schools, parks, playgrounds and a much shorter commute for DH. Those things aren't necessarily quantifiable in $, but are important to me none the less.
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