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Seeking feedback from nesters

Before I explain, let me caveat by saying we are seeking professional advice rfom a realtor and mortgage broker. 

My husband and I are older. He is 41 and I am 37.  We live in a very tiny house and need to move very badly. We make decent money, but not enough with two babies in daycare and a son going to college. Currently we are in good shape if we stay in the tiny house we are in. Our mortgage will be paid off in 14 years. 

How can we possibly move with our set of circumstances ans pay off our home before we retire? We have nothing for a downpayment and the equity in our home is only about 10k. :( With three kids and two dogs, less than 1000 sq. feet and a .22 size lot is not cutting it. We are prepared to suffer if we have to, but really know no other options...


Re: Seeking feedback from nesters

  • Can you post your budget?

    How long until your youngest doesn't need daycare?
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  • als1982als1982 member
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    When is your oldest headed to college? Will it be better once he/she leaves?
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  • What sort of budget info? We currently have a $111k house that is worth $125. We want s ahouse that is $200k. 

    Our disposable income is about $500 per month. 

    Eldest is going to college this fall.

    One baby is not born yet :) so he/she will be in daycare for 5 years

    second baby in daycare for 4 more years.


    See? It's impossible! :(
  • The main issue is timing. We want a mortgage paid off. If we wait until they are out of daycare, we will work later and not retire when we want to (meaning work till 70!). That is not our ideal plan. That is why we need to start paying on a new mortgage as soon as possible....I think?
  • Can you post more of your budget?  How much do you bring home after taxes?  How much is your current mortgage, utilities, groceries, clothes, and all other expenses?

    Are you currently saving for retirement?  How much and are you using pre-tax or post-tax money?

    Do you have an emergency fund?  A general savings fund?

    If you only have $500 of disposable income I don't think you can afford to buy a house that is almost double what your current house is, especially since you won't have much of a down payment.
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  • aavery258 said:

    What sort of budget info? We currently have a $111k house that is worth $125. We want s ahouse that is $200k. 


    Our disposable income is about $500 per month. 

    Eldest is going to college this fall.

    One baby is not born yet :) so he/she will be in daycare for 5 years

    second baby in daycare for 4 more years.


    See? It's impossible! :(
    Nothing is impossible. If you post your budget, we might be able to suggest ways for you to cut costs in different categories (ie groceries, entertainment, etc.)

    If you don't currently keep a detailed budget, track your expenses for a month and see how much you spend on each category. You might find, for example, that you're spending $200 a month on work lunches that could be cut to $30 by packing sandwiches (just an example, not saying you do that specific thing). Extra could then be put into savings for your DP on a new, larger home.

    One regular, jessica, will hopefully chime in. She just worked a ton to get enough equity to sell her home and could share her tips.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    I agree that we need your budget to help - what does you monthly cash flow look like?  Money comes in, and money goes out.  We need a sense of what that looks like.

    If you can't afford to move right away, then the solution is to reduce the amount of stuff you have.  Once the oldest goes to college that should free up some space (teenagers take up a LOT of space).  Don't do what my parents did and offer to store his miscellaneous stuff for 10 years. While the teen is packing for college, go through everything.  Clean it out.  Make him take it with him, or out it goes. As it turns out, college kids need remarkably little.  If you are willing to store a little bit, it needs to be out of the way - in an attic or basement or something - and not taking up premium real estate in the main part of the house (closets, cabinets, etc.)

    When he comes home for the holidays, he can sleep on an air mattress or something.  He doesn't need a room that is "his" when he doesn't live there anymore.  Bonus: you're not likely to end up with a kid who moves back home after college that you then have to oust when he turns 30.  My parents have a few friends who are going through that right now... they can't seem to make their adult children leave permanently.

    That should clear some space in the short-term, and the two babies can definitely share a room for a few years while you're figuring things out.

    Mortgages can be paid off ahead of schedule if that's something that's part of your retirement plan.  So you can get a 30-year mortgage and pay it off in 15 years if you want.  You simply have to make sure your lender permits it (almost all do), and then you have to make yourself do it.  So I don't think waiting until the babies are out of daycare to buy is a problem.  That will not necessarily delay your retirement plans.

    This situation doesn't sound at all impossible to me (yet), but we need more information.
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    hoffse said:

    I agree that we need your budget to help - what does you monthly cash flow look like?  Money comes in, and money goes out.  We need a sense of what that looks like.


    If you can't afford to move right away, then the solution is to reduce the amount of stuff you have.  Once the oldest goes to college that should free up some space (teenagers take up a LOT of space).  Don't do what my parents did and offer to store his miscellaneous stuff for 10 years. While the teen is packing for college, go through everything.  Clean it out.  Make him take it with him, or out it goes. As it turns out, college kids need remarkably little.  If you are willing to store a little bit, it needs to be out of the way - in an attic or basement or something - and not taking up premium real estate in the main part of the house (closets, cabinets, etc.)

    When he comes home for the holidays, he can sleep on an air mattress or something.  He doesn't need a room that is "his" when he doesn't live there anymore.  Bonus: you're not likely to end up with a kid who moves back home after college that you then have to oust when he turns 30.  My parents have a few friends who are going through that right now... they can't seem to make their adult children leave permanently.

    That should clear some space in the short-term, and the two babies can definitely share a room for a few years while you're figuring things out.

    Mortgages can be paid off ahead of schedule if that's something that's part of your retirement plan.  So you can get a 30-year mortgage and pay it off in 15 years if you want.  You simply have to make sure your lender permits it (almost all do), and then you have to make yourself do it.  So I don't think waiting until the babies are out of daycare to buy is a problem.  That will not necessarily delay your retirement plans.

    This situation doesn't sound at all impossible to me (yet), but we need more information.
    This is good advice. I'd suggest reevaluating your perspective and staying in this home. Americans have way to much stuff. Purge, sell, organize and commit to buying less. It'll help the small house situation and your budget in general.

    Do you have any money saved for retirememt? Frankly, at 41/37 making sure you're in a good place with savings should be far more important than the square footage of your home.
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  • I think you'll have a better idea of what options you have available after talking to mortgage broker & realtor. They will be able to help you to determine what is the current value of your home is and what they think you can get for it selling it now. And then based on what, time frame you want to have your home paid off in, which sounds like you would like a 15 year mortgage, and how much you can swing monthly for payments, how much you can afford for a new home. The realtor then will be able to then show you houses in that price range. Then you and husband can decide based on what you're being shown are there homes that interest you or are you happier in your current home.
  • Yes unfortunately I may be a bad example and go against everything that is right to do but our issue was that we were about $10-$12K underwater in our condo mortgage last July before we could even think of listing (We've been in this condo for 7 years, and even when we checked the market to list 2 years ago, the sell value hadn't moved at all and we owed even more!). In the meantime, we had been saving for a house but this really doubled our work. Mind you we have no plans for kids so basically H worked any OT he could get and I picked up a measly minimum wage job because my full-time job didn't allow overtime, so I worked 20 hrs on top of my 40 from September and my last night was actually last night!! Luckily it was over the winter so we didn't do much or spend much at all, just worked away. We listed our condo March 1st and went under deposit within a month and we close June 5. In July, we had owed $139K on the condo and we just made the final May payment which is what we sold it for at $126,500K (we listed at $129K), so basically we are breaking even plus we have closing costs to pay. We saved up $12K in 9 months which to us was a HUGE accomplishment. And we can finally get rid of this condo and pick up a house for a good deal and low interest rate and never look back at condo life.

    This may seem totally crazy and a waste of $ to others, but owning a home and traveling is our life plan, we don't want kids, we are building our retirement, so this is what we chose to throw money at so we could finally reach one of our big goals, I mean, what else are we going to spend our money on but ourselves LOL.

    But I guess the difference is that you don't have a down payment for a house and we do. We don't have equity in our home, but you do....it's tough. But you really need to cut back on bills and other things...we did that as well. We just kept saving and saving and saving. It takes time and we probably could save more but once we move into my parents house we will save really quick with 4 less large bills to pay.

    We are looking for a home around that price range as well and have $20K to put down maybe more...plus don't forget about closing costs on both selling and buying....Selling is tough because you have to pay your own and sometimes the buyers ask for help, but then buying is expensive too because your closing costs are more and you can ask for help but you have to pay for inspections and appraisals as well. Plus moving costs.....if you don't have any savings to work with then it sounds like it might not be possible for you. That 10K in equity could only go so far depending on your market and the other costs you have.

    I definitely would at least have a realtor come into your home and give you an idea of the price you could list your home. is your home in good shape? Bad shape? Will you need to fix things? rent a storage unit to help stage the home better? That would be the place to start, then you can figure out after doing all that if you have any money to put towards a new house.

    I'm pretty OCD about our home so all winter long we re-painted, touched-up, and fixed small things that we knew would stick out to a buyer or an inspector. At the end of February we rented a storage unit and cleaned out the clutter, extra junk and staged the house to sell. There is a lot more to selling a house than just listing it on the market. All in all in inspection went well and the buyer asked for NOTHING!



  • I agree about the college-aged childs' room. Clean it out and have him sleep on the floor when he visits. I assume he will also have a job while he is at school to at least help support himself?

    I'm curious what you and your DH individually make after taxes. The cost of kiddos in day care is $$$. Is one of your salaries going entirely to day care? If yes, what about that person staying home with the kiddos in the daytime and having a PT job on the weekends? This would save money on day care that would open it up for other uses.

    It's hard to advise you though, without a more complete picture of your overall financial situation.

    What other debts do you have? Loans? Cars? Credit cards?


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