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My DH wants to do Isagenix (MLM weight loss program)...

Anyone heard of it. Its a Multi level marketing weight loss program basically. http://www.isagenix.com/

His good friend/coworker and his wife does it and he's lost weight with it and his wife does the marketing hard core and the way that the program is set up  you can make good money apparently because theres months where she makes 20k and apparently she made 10k just last week. She quit her fulltime 80k per year job to do this full time and makes well over 100k per year doing it. So his friend is literally only working to get 100k in the bank and then he's quiting. 

At first my husband thought he was nuts. I mean your basically paying 350 bucks for a shakes and bars and stuff. But I think between being really sick of being overweight and being really sick of hearing how his friends wife made 10k in a week... he has given it a second thought and now he really wants to do it. 

Personally i hate the idea. I hate crash diets and all those fad diet programs. They arent healthy. He says its different and its not like that. and he says its better then what he's doing now. Well that doesn't take much. So just go on a diet! - "i'm not motivated enough, i need something thats gonna kick me in the butt". But still he lost like 20lbs in 3 months before our wedding and he's since gained all of it back. he CAN do it IF he actually put his mind to it. But then i think if this is what he needs for him to get serious then its worth it. I mean we found out he had high cholesterol a year ago from our life insurance and he's done nothing and after years of me bugging him to see a doctor he made an appointment all by himself so he could get all his "before" numbers. I mean the shake has got to be better then a pepsi. 

Plus he's really interested in the  marketing side of it... saying if he can just make enough to pay for it then we aren't out any money. But what if he can make more... we could pay off all our debt in a year and i could stay home. Darn man really knows how to sell something to a new mom. Wait he probably should do sales. I mean the man could probably sell binoculars to a blind guy. lol But 350 bucks! I mean okay with all the money he spends on food that would probably pay for atleast half of it... if not more. But i still don't think its healthy and i have a really hard time believing we'd make any money from it. I mean we are barely breaking even as it is but thats exactly why he wants to do it because he is sick of always being broke. 

Thoughts - is he crazy or is it worth a try and im just being negative? 

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Re: My DH wants to do Isagenix (MLM weight loss program)...

  • hoffsehoffse member
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    I think he's being suckered into this, if I'm going to be totally honest.

    Diet regimes, shakes, etc. only work while you are on them and if you stick to them.  It's much better if he changes his lifestyle to lose weight.

    Also?  I hate to point this out, but you guys have no idea if his friend is telling the truth about how much they have made doing it.  And you guys don't know how much of that $10K is going to be taken by taxes... if this organization isn't withholding for them, then they might find themselves up a creek when they get 1099'd next January.  You don't just bring home $10K and get to keep all of it.  From what you have described, it sounds like I make about the same as this friend's wife (assuming they are telling the truth about how much she brings home), and I can tell you that over a third of my paycheck goes to taxes.  H makes a bit less than me, but his paychecks reflect similar numbers.  

    I would bet that these friends haven't looked at that.  At all.  

    Diet shakes aren't going to get your H motivated.  In fact, it will probably kill the process pretty quickly when he either decides they taste bad or he gets tired of them.  He can lose weight without spending a penny more than you guys spend now by kicking his own butt.
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  • I agree on the needing to make lifestyle changes thing.  Thats a lot more sustainable.

    Additionally, if he did this, even if he makes enough money so you can stay home from work, how long will that last for?  I think a lot of the MLM programs only last for so long until the people they are selling to get sick of it, or you tap out the people you can sell to.
  • first, this sounds a bit like a pyramid scheme. I'd be skeptical too. and I'd worry, that like many other independent consulting gigs (raises hand) the only way to actually make money is to build a team of your own (again pyramid scheme red flag), and selling people on that is a lot harder than selling them products. 

    I'd also have an ethical problem selling people on crash diets. 
    I hate crash diets, and all the marketing ploys to help people shed pounds. 

    Consistend and sustained weight loss requires life-style modification. 

    I lost 30 lbs 6 years ago and have seen no re-gain of that weight, I did not go on any diets in that process. I tried a few diets in the years prior, and would loose 5-10 pounds, then gain it back. I highly suggest Michael Pollan's books to start thinking about food differently. I follow several basic rules, I don't get after myself for "cheating" as long as it's only occasionally (frankly at this point cheating tends to cause intentinal upset and bloating, that's "punishment" enough) 

    1. Avoid most processed foods, but when I do buy something in a box, at least read the lable to understand what you're buying. 
    2. Eat real food, real sugar, real butter, real fat...don't get pulled into the fat-free, sugar-free chemically $#*! marketed as "diet food".  your body wasn't designed to process chemically altered food. 
    3. mainly shop the perimeter of the grocery store (in most stores this is the produce section, bakery, meats, and dairy) venture down the isles only for baking supplies, sandwich bread, and pastas and cereals...but limit your intake of the pasta and cereal. 

    SparkPeople.com can be a great resource if diet and exercise tracking are helpful. Cooking Light magazine is also a wonderful source of really tasty meals, they keep recipes in season, most the recipes in their budget section give a good estimate of cost-per serving. 


    Short-story- I don't think you're being negative, I think you're being smart to question it...I'm not sure if your H is crazy  ;)
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • I wouldn't be supportive of my H doing this, either.  You're definitely not crazy.  Is it $350 a month?  He could join the fanciest crossfit gym on the planet for less than that.  

    In my experience, weight loss is so much more about finding an exercise routine that works for you then about diet, provided you're eating reasonably healthy.  Gdaisy pretty much described my eating strategy to a T, so I won't repeat her, but I would encourage any active/exercise interests that your H has instead of a diet plan.  Hopefully this system at least includes an exercise component like Beachbody does.  

    I think it's really, really rare to make serious money with MLMs.  It does sound like your H may have the personality to build up some recruits and customers, but I'd say a few hundred bucks a month is much more reasonable than a full-time salary from this stuff.  Most people ultimately lose money.  There's always pressure to pay for seminars, marketing kits, etc., in addition to the product you stock and buy for yourself.  Plus, at a certain point you've tapped out your friends and connections and growth becomes tough.  I wouldn't recommend getting into it unless you have a pretty good "buffer" in case things go badly with the company.  
  • Another part of any diet fad is, that the demand for the product will go away. A few years back the huge crazy was Body by Vi, I saw signs all over the place for it. Now you don't hear anything about it unless you happen to still be buying the product. Then Shakeology, again super popular and I do know people that use it, but basically they now just make enough to cover their own expense. Depending on the product, once people get to their ideal weight they stop buying it, or if they have to cut expenses, that can be the easiest thing to cut. So while the money is great, I don't think it's something you can count on long term and on a regular basis.

    If your husband really wants to lose weight, try to find something you can do together to make positive life changes and a life style that you can teach your baby.

  • The only way to loose weight and keep it off is to change your lifestyle.  Eat healthy foods and stay active.  It is ok to eat not so healthy foods but in moderation.  These fads may only work for the time being but it's not sustainable.  Once you stop doing it your weight will get back on.
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  • I agree with PP... this isn't the best idea. It's a lot of money and it will be hard to keep a client base. Not to mention weight loss is not a quick fix. It takes a lot of work and dedication. Maybe you should recommend your H check out My Fitness Pal (or a similar site). It's a free site to track calories/exercise and the forums are good for getting info on nutrition, exercise, etc. He can lose weight by just eating better without the expensive shakes.
  • ^^^  so true on the last paragraph.  I have a FB friend who sells It Works Wraps and it's always before and after pics and bonuses. 
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  • Thanks guys - i agree but my husband doesnt. I've told him all of this and he just says i'm wrong When he gets home from work last night he's like  "I'm so excited to start this isagenix thing next week"... oyyy He says its 270 plus a 30 dollar sign up fee so i guess its cheaper then you get it on amazon.That price is for the 30 day fat burning cleanse or w/e its called - after that 30 days he can do another month or just buy some shakes or w/e he wants. He says he spends that much on food anyway (now keep in mind thats true because we have been way overspending/not really budgetting since baby was born) So in reality we are still overspending regardless... i mean we budget 500 for all our groceries and lunches for the month.... theres no way we could get that down to 200! It just means that instead of blowing our budget on food- we blow it on these shakes instead. We can't afford this. We had just agreed to really focus on paying off all our debt and now this came and i think its going to cost us too much so we can't pay off our debt and he sees it as a way to make more money to get out of debt faster. idk i just can't shake the feeling this is a horrible idea. but i can't change his mind. he says he's doing it and i can't tell him what to do. 
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  • Oh my gosh i just found her facebook page - your right its completely covered in isagenix stuff...  freedom from corporate life....create your freedom... happy and healthy... dream folks... this can be you.... etc..
    she posted a picture of someone wiping their face with 100 dollar bills with a caption that says "when someone says network marketing is a scam"

    It obviously totally consumes her. 
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  • Thanks guys - i agree but my husband doesnt. I've told him all of this and he just says i'm wrong When he gets home from work last night he's like  "I'm so excited to start this isagenix thing next week"... oyyy He says its 270 plus a 30 dollar sign up fee so i guess its cheaper then you get it on amazon.That price is for the 30 day fat burning cleanse or w/e its called - after that 30 days he can do another month or just buy some shakes or w/e he wants. He says he spends that much on food anyway (now keep in mind thats true because we have been way overspending/not really budgetting since baby was born) So in reality we are still overspending regardless... i mean we budget 500 for all our groceries and lunches for the month.... theres no way we could get that down to 200! It just means that instead of blowing our budget on food- we blow it on these shakes instead. We can't afford this. We had just agreed to really focus on paying off all our debt and now this came and i think its going to cost us too much so we can't pay off our debt and he sees it as a way to make more money to get out of debt faster. idk i just can't shake the feeling this is a horrible idea. but i can't change his mind. he says he's doing it and i can't tell him what to do. 

    It sounds like you have bigger issues going on than just this weight-loss independent sales thing. I would do your best to sit down with you H and have a conversation about the two of you getting on the same page. Tell him maybe you're understanding the whole thing wrong, and you need him to help explain to you how much he needs to sell to make this pay for itself...and how much he wants to make, and then how much he would need to do in order to make that happen. 

    Try to work on it with him, sit down with your budget and really go over it together.  Tell him that IF he wants to do this he NEEDS to help you figure out where the money is coming from, because making the money back is not a guarentee. If you recently had a conversation about debt pay-off, bring that back into the conversation, ask him to help you figure out how that is going to work. If you're the one that handles the budget all the time, he may not quite understand where your hesitation is coming from. I know my H wanted to go back to his martial arts training right after we made the choice for him to go back to school, my initial reaction was "no, we can't do that" he got upset, and thought I was being controling, but once we really sat down and combed through the budget together and ironed out all the details of our student loans again, he got it, and realized that it just didn't make sense for us. 
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • If it wasn't your husband, I'd be inclined to say, let this person learn their lesson the hard way. After months of making fun of our MLM friends, my old roommate joined up with Mary Kay and bought about $500 worth of product even though she was leaving the country in 8 months for a job. She has about $400 worth of it sitting in her parent's basement right now (and most of the $100 used up was used by her).

    formerlyGDaisy09 this is a bigger issue. Do you guys have completely combined finances? $300 is a really high price tag for him to say he gets to make the decision all by himself. 

    Is there anyway you could convince him to ask the coworker if he can purchase a smaller supply through them directly instead of the full 30-day supply? maybe he'd see the light if he could do three days worth and realize that "meal replacement" usually means your stomach is growling 30 minutes later.
  • Sorry for all the posts, MLMs are one of those trigger topics for all my ire! 

    One last shot... if your husband is really lured in by the sciece-y nonsense, this article really clearly lays out all the fallacies of Isagenix's claims: http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2011/05/isagenix-scam-questionable-medical-claims-no-science-behind-them/

    Good luck talking some sense into him!
  • Does he really want to be drinking his meals?  Drinking your calories on a regular basis isn't a great idea, your stomach doesn't know how to say "I'm full".
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  • If it wasn't your husband, I'd be inclined to say, let this person learn their lesson the hard way. After months of making fun of our MLM friends, my old roommate joined up with Mary Kay and bought about $500 worth of product even though she was leaving the country in 8 months for a job. She has about $400 worth of it sitting in her parent's basement right now (and most of the $100 used up was used by her).


    formerlyGDaisy09 this is a bigger issue. Do you guys have completely combined finances? $300 is a really high price tag for him to say he gets to make the decision all by himself. 

    Is there anyway you could convince him to ask the coworker if he can purchase a smaller supply through them directly instead of the full 30-day supply? maybe he'd see the light if he could do three days worth and realize that "meal replacement" usually means your stomach is growling 30 minutes later.
    I joined Mary Kay 4 years ago when I wasn't so MM, I did make almost $1000 one year, but every year after I've not made anything at all. I've kept the business open because I like the products and I enjoy the deep discount on stuff I use...they operate so that you can keep the discount if you place an order at least once every 12 months, so I've been placing one order for the stuff I use, I occasionally get a request for something from a customer (often my mom)...but I think my experience and that of @simplyelise 's roommate is far more the norm that people who actually make it with these companies. 
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • You have to know your friend group, too, because this kind of thing can affect friendships.  I know in some circles MLMs are common and no big deal.  In mine, however, many people are pretty judgy about them.  I finally caved and did a FB Jamberry party that one of my friends from a different circle wanted me to hold.  I legitimately like and use the product so I didn't feel too weird about it at first, but only 3 people participated and it was pretty embarrassing.  I'm concerned I might have turned some friends off just by inviting them.  
  • Sounds like you aren't going to change his mind. IMO it's time to sit down and create a budget together and to decide if this will work into your budget. If there is no convincing to not do this, maybe set a budget limit & time frame limit on doing this & then re-evaluate how things are going at that time.Also maybe set up rules about promoting it to family & friends & co-workers. Best advertisment is him losing weight & people will naturally ask him how he did it. If he is able to do this to where he is at least paying for his own supply of products, then he can continue to go further. If he starts making a profit, put a portion of it away for taxes because he will have to pay taxes on that income I believe. Then use it to pay down debts. I wouldn't plan to stay at home based on any income from this because I think it's not something you can count on long term. But if you can pay down some debts & build up your emergency fund, that's not a bad thing. For the record, my comments don't mean that I agree with his method of weight loss. But it's not worth causing lots of fights and stress over at home in my opinion.
  • Seriously this "fad" won't work.  What will happen is he will drink the shakes and then still be hungry and consume food as well.  Drinking a shake doesn't fill me up - I need substance.  It's just not healthy.  If he really wants to do this and "learn the hard way" - then you need to sit down with him and trim $300-ish a month out of your budget which won't be groceries - it would have to be in entertainment or eating out or whatever else you can live without.  I highly doubt you will spend less in groceries.  We budget $450-$500 a month for the 3 of us.  Seriously if loosing weight were that easy wouldn't everyone be doing it?
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  • Forget the MLM  business side. But $350 for some liquid meals?? NOT HEALTHY, NOT SUSTAINABLE. Sure some people can make money selling, but everyone does.
    The product isn't that great to begin with...sure if you drink your meals for a week you will lose weight but after you stop the shakes, you will start to gain it back.


  • I believe the best way to loose weight is traditional exercise and a healthy diet. It's all about keeping down the calories and eating the right types of food.

  • I just have to join some of the other PPs in saying, regardless of the program, I have NEVER understood the attraction of "meal replacement" shakes and why anyone would use them for any length of time.

    I've also seen meal replacement "cookies" and "bars".  It is also personally more abhorrent to me than to most because I am a "savory" eater.  Every once in awhile a sweet tasting food/drink is nice, but sweet is my least favorite taste.  And all that replacement stuff is sweet tasting.  Double, double Blech!!!

    I feel like I am part a super-rare breed...anti-chocoholic, lol.

    In fact, here's another suggestion to send along for your DH.  Before he orders, require him to do a much cheaper "Slim Fast" type of diet for a week.  A shake for breakfast, shake for lunch, and a sensible dinner.  Or, even healthier, he can make his own smoothies/shakes of fruits, vegetables, and yogurt.  When he is passing out from both hunger and food boredom by Day Two, point out again the craziness of spending $300/month on a diet he will be miserable on and probably won't be able to do anyway. 

    Also, ask him to write a conservative business plan for you.  It should include the following reports:  Marketing plan with outlined steps, projected sales-->projected costs-->projected income,etc..  I also side-eye the co-worker's wife's claims.  I mean, how better to sell someone a business opp. that tell them how much money you make.

    I always laugh whenever I see some claim about this person or that person selling $10 million worth of products on Amazon or E-bay.  Well, sure, I can easily do the same thing if I bought $40 million dollars worth of brand new IPhones and sold them for 1/4 of their value.  Who cares about gross sales figures?  It's almost irrelevant.  What matters is net profit.

    And maybe they do mean she profits $100K/year, but that would be an important question to ask...but its still right back to is it even true.

    And there IS something "off" about the really gung-ho MLM people.  Some of them turn into these rabid, cult-like personas of their former selves.      

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