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Re: Working the market this week

  • Not going to lie, I couldn't handle that.

    But it's a crazy story.
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  • me either.  Iwouldn't have the guts for it. But man, we would retire with that. That's a lot of $ he made in such a short time.
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  • I couldn't handle it either - I don't think I have enough knowledge to be a day trader.  How awesome is that though!
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  • I thought it was funny that he took a break to go "for a walk and to pray."

  • "Is there a downside to shorting?
    The most common objection has to do with the so-called "unlimited risk" of shorting. The idea here is that if you place a short sale and then permanently ignore it, the stock could theoretically increase in price forever. As a result, you would accumulate greater and greater losses over time - hypothetically to infinity. When you compare this scary interpretation of "unlimited risk" to the "limited risk" of buying stocks whose value can only drop to zero, it seems like a reasonable argument against shorting. A closer look reveals the truth.

    Basically, anyone who enters a position whether long OR short, then walks away and ignores it is asking for serious trouble. Every trade should be entered with a planned exit, and then monitored for performance. If the trade moves in the wrong direction, you have to get out. But let's suppose that someone DOES enter a short position and then just walks away from it. There is a limit to the amount of loss they may incur, for if the losing short-trade reaches a level that puts their margin status in jeopardy, the brokerage firm will attempt to contact the trader. If they get no response, the broker will close the trade to protect their margin.

    Far more traders lose money in long trades than short trades. In reality short sellers tend to have better results because they have taken the time to learn how to trade both sides of the market. What this really means is that educated traders do better . . . period. "


    I was reading up on shorting stocks, which is what the guy did in the OP article. I found this, and it was pretty helpful...

    http://www.rightline.net/education/shortsales.html

    The above quote is from this article. I totally agree with the bolded. Although, I cannot short stocks (they are in my retirement IRAs, which cannot legally be used for shorting), I do agree with not doing the "park it and leave" mentality of retirement planning. I think this guy is correct. Everybody needs to have an exit strategy and needs to know at least the basics of what their retirement portfolios are doing - definitions, terms, learning to analyze charts, etc.. Any time I come across a term I don't know I do an Internet search to learn more. Doing this consistently even for a few months...it's amazing how much you can learn.

    All of my retirement is self-directed - I have decided on my own where to put the money. It takes some time and patience.

    As much as I know, IF I had funds free from IRA and could do shorting, I still don't know if I would. I think it takes a special kind of guts.


  • Yeah I can't bring myself to engage in short sales (yet) because you have to really pay attention to it.  People who are really good at it are way more into it than I am and watch the market all. the. time.  I have one friend who day-trades as a hobby (he does it on and off), and he is often up in the middle of the night watching the Asian and European markets since they close first.  

    The taxes on gains you make in short sales are also kind of complicated, especially because the people who do it tend to do a lot of it.

    I have been toying with the idea of setting aside a couple hundred bucks and using it to start day trading with stocks to learn more about it, simply because I'm a hands-on learner.  I've read a lot about it, but I think it's one of those things you actually have to try to really learn the nuances of it.  I could see maybe advancing into short sales if I get into it.  It would be one of those things where I would be willing to lose every penny just for the learning experience.  If I decide to do it, I'll definitely give status reports to the group.  Maybe it should be a 2016 year-long experiment...

    I 100% agree that the "set it and forget it" mentality is not a great one when it comes to investing of any type. I believe in rebalancing portfolios at least once a year, even for things like retirement where you don't expect to need it for decades.  

    I just thought it was a crazy article - this is a guy who obviously knows what he is doing, and he timed it perfectly.
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