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edited September 2015 in Money Matters
Saw this on yahoo- Typical american family needs X amount to live modestly- just type in your zip, # of adults, # of children. For me (2 adults, 2 kids) the monthly total is $6,487 or $77,843 for the year. For once, the child care amount is surprisingly accurate ($2,011/month), but I think the housing amount is too low ($710/month). What's yours?

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  • That was interesting!  I'm in NOLA (2 adults, no kids) and my monthly total was $3,504.

    Quite frankly, I thought most of their category estimates were way off.  My actual monthly expenses are $2,950...but about $700 of that is the mortgage, taxes, insurance for a second house.  So, really, I am probably more at $2250/month for my personal family.  Over 1/3 less than their numbers. 

    They had $765 for housing.  Just about right for owning, but it is substantially more for renting. 

    $473 for taxes?  I'm wondering what taxes they are talking about.  State and/or federal income?  Sales?  Property?  All of that?       

  • I'm in rural Wyoming (and really, it's kind of all rural, comparatively speaking....) and mine was $3,544/month.  The highest categories were health care and transportation.  I think these are pretty accurate-probably based on the fact that we don't have many options for health care and transportation is just plain hard when there's no public transport.  and everything is hours away from everything else.

    However, it said $598 for housing which is a total laugh fest.  I'd put it at double that, easy.  H and I's mortgage is $832 and we bought before the market went up, and we're paying way less than most people I know.

  • Mine seemed decently accurate, though I had to choose LA /Long Beach since they didn't have Orange County, CA. It estimated $6157/month for 2 adults, 2 kids. The food ($782), and other necessities ($1053) seemed off though. I'm comfortable with spending about $500 on food (that includes $100 on eating out), and I only budget $100 for miscellaneous and $100 for entertainment, which I guess would be similar to the "other necessities" category.
  • simplyelisesimplyelise member
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    Mine for 2 adults no kids was 3135/month. Our expenses are about $2000/month, but I don't have to pay anything for healthcare and we also spend considerably less than the estimate on groceries.

    For comparison, our 2 adults 2 kids amount shows 5118/month. The housing amount for that ($691) is just one dollar over what we pay now for our 1000sqft apartment. We will probably be there for 1 kid, but it would be pretty cramped with 2. I think the fact that we have a lot of essentially slum student duplexes around probably pulls that down. Also, no way in hell are you going to find childcare for 2 kids for $815/month!!!

    I think the other necessities category is very high in all scenarios. ETA: also food, what family of four needs $785 in groceries a month???
  • lbonga1 said:
    Mine seemed decently accurate, though I had to choose LA /Long Beach since they didn't have Orange County, CA. It estimated $6157/month for 2 adults, 2 kids. The food ($782), and other necessities ($1053) seemed off though. I'm comfortable with spending about $500 on food (that includes $100 on eating out), and I only budget $100 for miscellaneous and $100 for entertainment, which I guess would be similar to the "other necessities" category.

    Seriously?  Because, you know, there are only millions of people who live there (rolling eyes).  But maybe they just lumped in all of So. CA.

    I saw for my own area it was far from an exact science.  It lumped a big section as the same area...though living costs can vary widely.  Still interesting.

  • Mine for 2 adults no kids was 3135/month. Our expenses are about $2000/month, but I don't have to pay anything for healthcare and we also spend considerably less than the estimate on groceries.

    For comparison, our 2 adults 2 kids amount shows 5118/month. The housing amount for that ($691) is just one dollar over what we pay now for our 1000sqft apartment. We will probably be there for 1 kid, but it would be pretty cramped with 2. I think the fact that we have a lot of essentially slum student duplexes around probably pulls that down. Also, no way in hell are you going to find childcare for 2 kids for $815/month!!!

    I think the other necessities category is very high in all scenarios. ETA: also food, what family of four needs $785 in groceries a month???
    We easily spend that for a family of 4 but we don't eat out very much and buy only organic meat, dairy, produce, grains for our family's health and well being. That also includes some house goods (soap, paper products, a few toiletries). Our weekly bill is usually $175-$200/week. 
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  • Housing was accurate for me, and childcare (plugged in 1 child but don't have one yet) was probably accurate for a three or four year old. I also thought food was quite high, even though we do the local/organic thing too. Makes me feel like I'm a good bargain shopper!
  • The greater Birmingham area came up at $5,243/month with two kids and $3,270/month with no kids.

    Housing was way too low - but our city has areas where the same size/style houses are literally hundreds of thousands of dollars different depending on which side of the street you are on.  If they are including the lower priced neighborhoods with the "over the mountain" neighborhoods, then I can see where that figure comes from. As it is, my mortgage is twice what they say the housing cost is.

    If we had two kids we would spend twice what they list for childcare.  They are saying it's $944/month for two.  Most of the daycares my colleagues use cost that amount per child.  I feel like a good daycare is one of those things worth paying for, and H and I assume $1,000/month for an infant in full-time care.

    Food is really high and taxes are really high for my neighborhood, but maybe not for the million-dollar-home neighborhoods.
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  • for us it was $4500 and I thought food and health were way high!  They had food at $618 when we average $450.  They had health at $618 when we pay $167 per month for insurance and around $50 per month in doc visits/scripts.  We don't pay child care but they had it at $512 which I think is low.
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    for us it was $4500 and I thought food and health were way high!  They had food at $618 when we average $450.  They had health at $618 when we pay $167 per month for insurance and around $50 per month in doc visits/scripts.  We don't pay child care but they had it at $512 which I think is low.

    I figured the health numbers assumed having to buy insurance on the open market, rather than having an employer group policy.  But, yeah, I wish there had been a bit more general information on what they were basing the different cost categories on.

    For me, food for two adults was almost $500/month.  I thought that was a bit high.  We spend more like $350-$400 in groceries but, other than weekly sales and some Costco, I'm really not a budget shopper.  I can cut that number by at least a third, if times are tough.

  • The line items were off in many areas, but the actual total was pretty close to what our bare bones budget would be if we were trying to watch our spending.  For example, I doubt we could find a decent apartment in a safe area of the city for the $570 it gave me, but that is at least partially offset by the $608 in transportation costs it gave me (our housing is about $1200 while transportation is $200).   
  • Mustard76Mustard76 member
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    Chicago metro for 2 adults, no children comes up $3520. No way. Housing says $826 and my mortgage is three times that. Even when we owned a condo here years ago, the mortgage was twice that amount. Everything else seems somewhat reasonable, though.
  • Interesting! 2 adults and 2 children - just over $1000.00 for childcare, we pay less than that. $780 for food, we pay less but our kids are still young. Housing was low for our area, we pay more.
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    for us it was $4500 and I thought food and health were way high!  They had food at $618 when we average $450.  They had health at $618 when we pay $167 per month for insurance and around $50 per month in doc visits/scripts.  We don't pay child care but they had it at $512 which I think is low.

    I figured the health numbers assumed having to buy insurance on the open market, rather than having an employer group policy.  But, yeah, I wish there had been a bit more general information on what they were basing the different cost categories on.

    For me, food for two adults was almost $500/month.  I thought that was a bit high.  We spend more like $350-$400 in groceries but, other than weekly sales and some Costco, I'm really not a budget shopper.  I can cut that number by at least a third, if times are tough.

    That's what I assumed too. With my previous employer, I was paying about $300/month for my family of 4. When I left and received the packet for COBRA, it was going to be $1800!
  • lbonga1 said:
    vlagrl29 said:
    for us it was $4500 and I thought food and health were way high!  They had food at $618 when we average $450.  They had health at $618 when we pay $167 per month for insurance and around $50 per month in doc visits/scripts.  We don't pay child care but they had it at $512 which I think is low.

    I figured the health numbers assumed having to buy insurance on the open market, rather than having an employer group policy.  But, yeah, I wish there had been a bit more general information on what they were basing the different cost categories on.

    For me, food for two adults was almost $500/month.  I thought that was a bit high.  We spend more like $350-$400 in groceries but, other than weekly sales and some Costco, I'm really not a budget shopper.  I can cut that number by at least a third, if times are tough.

    That's what I assumed too. With my previous employer, I was paying about $300/month for my family of 4. When I left and received the packet for COBRA, it was going to be $1800!
    COBRA is a joke - who the heck can afford that?  My parents were going to have to pay $1k a month on health when my dad got laid off but got on an ACA plan instead.
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    lbonga1 said:
    That's what I assumed too. With my previous employer, I was paying about $300/month for my family of 4. When I left and received the packet for COBRA, it was going to be $1800!
    COBRA is a joke - who the heck can afford that?  My parents were going to have to pay $1k a month on health when my dad got laid off but got on an ACA plan instead.
    I think the problem with COBRA is that when most people hit it that it is the first time they find out how much of their health insurance premiums their employer has been paying all this time.  Unfortunately, it also comes at the same time as a severe reduction in income. :(

    It's a large part of why I'm upset about how the president "fixed" the healthcare problem.  He didn't fix the problem, just put a huge band-aid over it.  I watched all the medical bills come in when we had our little one.  Most were billed at least double if not 4-5 times the amount of the initial insurance company "discount".  Then insurance paid for certain things (we have a high deductible plan) and we were left to pay the rest.  I looked at a lot of the bills and said if they would just bill us these amounts in the first place, I could skip the insurance coverage.
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  • jtmh2012 said:
    vlagrl29 said:
    lbonga1 said:
    That's what I assumed too. With my previous employer, I was paying about $300/month for my family of 4. When I left and received the packet for COBRA, it was going to be $1800!
    COBRA is a joke - who the heck can afford that?  My parents were going to have to pay $1k a month on health when my dad got laid off but got on an ACA plan instead.
    I think the problem with COBRA is that when most people hit it that it is the first time they find out how much of their health insurance premiums their employer has been paying all this time.  Unfortunately, it also comes at the same time as a severe reduction in income. :(

    It's a large part of why I'm upset about how the president "fixed" the healthcare problem.  He didn't fix the problem, just put a huge band-aid over it.  I watched all the medical bills come in when we had our little one.  Most were billed at least double if not 4-5 times the amount of the initial insurance company "discount".  Then insurance paid for certain things (we have a high deductible plan) and we were left to pay the rest.  I looked at a lot of the bills and said if they would just bill us these amounts in the first place, I could skip the insurance coverage.
    yeah our hospital bill came back at $31,000 for 4 nights with c/section.  We were lucky to only have 1 thing not covered (hearing test) and I got a 40% discount on that if paid in full.  We do have a lot wrong with our healthcare system.  We probably will be changing plans though when open enrollment time comes with the ACA in Nov/Dec.  I think we will probably choose an even lower Max OOP because the goal is to get pregnant with baby #2 next year.
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  • This is interesting! The rent/housing was a little on the low side for renting. The child care cost was only $800 for one child. Apparently they estimate the child care cost assuming the child is 4yrs old. If you live in the city it is assumed the child is at a center, if you live in a rural area, they assume home daycare. When we were looking at home daycares for DD it would've been $1000 a month. A center would've been almost $2000! It also assumed that all children would be 4 years apart. Child 1=4yrs, child 2=8yrs, child 3=12yrs, and child 4=16yrs.
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  • Sounds like housing amounts are running too low across the board.

    I'm still laughing at @Mustard76 's numbers.  Apparently it is only $16/month cheaper to live in NOLA than Chicago.  I bet there are monthly parking rates in Chicago that are more than a 1-bedroom apartment in NOLA!

  • Mine was way off. Rural NH, 2 adults 1 child...it said $5,061/month. $974 for housing (I've not seen anything, other than assisted housing, for less than $1,100 for a 2BR...most 2BR rentals are closer to $1250/month)...and for owning forget it! Food was pretty accurate ($618). Child Care seemed off, $704, I've not found any registered daycares that take less than $45/day...that's $975/month. Transportation ($723) seems right. Health Care $725, if this is including insurance premiums that's pretty right. other necessities ($764) sure...if utilities, etc. aren't included in housing. Taxes were basically right. seems they missed, at least from what I can gleen of what things cost in our area, by about 20%. 
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  • I looked up rural and metro (since we live in rural but travel to metro for everything) They were only a couple hundred dollar a month difference. 

    Our daycare figures would be right if it was in the city - but its definitely not. It had 490/m for rural - i doubt thats possible - we pay 640 and thats super cheap for a 4 star center.  They had 610 for metro - yea right.... try double that. We would easily be looking at 1100-1300 if we went anywhere near work. I realized that if we had 2 kids and moved anywhere closer that we had to switch daycares - It would cost us easilly 2100/month and thered be no point in me working. actually i like the sound of that. lol

    Housing was pretty close though.


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