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Work retirement plan for tiny offices

I was just chatting with our admin assistant about retirement.  Her husband is high income, and she'd really like to look into us getting a pretax work retirement plan to reduce her family's taxable income (I did let her know about traditional IRA's as something to look into; she didn't realize that her contributions there would be tax deductible).  I'm in the bracket that benefits more from using a Roth as a retirement vehicle, but am very interested in having a "set it and forget it" type account that removes any temptation for me to reallocate my retirement money.  Within a couple of years, I'd also like to be contributing more than just the maximum Roth contribution.  I'm curious, do any of you who work in very small workplaces have a work retirement plan?  If so, with what company?  How are the fees?  We're a workplace of 4, soon to be 5, with no HR department.  We're a pretty open organization, and if I brought a plan to my board that makes financial and logistical sense they probably wouldn't have any problem with it.  

Re: Work retirement plan for tiny offices

  • I'm trying to remember, do you work for a non-profit or is it private? I'm at a public, non-profit commission, so our only employer option for retirement is 457 deferred compensation. We have an employer-funded pension also, but obviously you can't add to or control that.

  • I'm trying to remember, do you work for a non-profit or is it private? I'm at a public, non-profit commission, so our only employer option for retirement is 457 deferred compensation. We have an employer-funded pension also, but obviously you can't add to or control that.

    We're in a weird tax category.  We are a legislatively mandated nonprofit; therefore we have tax exempt status, but we are not a 501 (c) 3.  A 457 would be fantastic!  My H has access to one of those at his job and the benefits seem almost too good to be true.  I'm guessing we might also qualify for a 403 (b), which is what I had at two previous nonprofit jobs.  
  • Yeah, I always forget what category of non-profit we are, but it's a similar thing where we were created by statute, so definitely not a 501c3. I was working for the state before and I was able to transfer my state retirement contributions (had not vested) into a 403(b), but I am pretty sure I cannot contribute more into it now. But we can still do the 457 plan. It's got some decent options for funds, but you don't have complete control IIRC. I've only got about $1000 in it, so it's just in a target fund for me right now.

  • @simplyelise do you know what company manages the 457? Nice to meet someone else working in quasi-public limbo!
  • http://www.icmarc.org/

    I'm not sure what they include in public sector. My employer kind of gets the best of all the worlds. We get our health insurance through the national rural electric coop system, our pension through the local government retirement system, and we are all paid by the non-profit commission side of our org while the other entities under our umbrella pay the commission for a percentage of each employee's time. It's somewhat impossible to explain to people lol. Close friends and family members make jokes comparing my job to Chandler on friends.
  • Are you a (c)(1)?

    IIRC there are actually 29 categories.

    You will probably need a benefits/tax lawyer to help write the plan for the company to make sure it meets the parameters of ERISA.  The ERISA rules are really complex, and it's a true legal specialty.  If you screw it up it's seriously bad news.  I have started dipping my toes in benefits work, but so far I have been successful in avoiding having to write retirement plans.

    I don't have any idea if companies/banks that help manage retirement plans have stock plans for their customers.  Frankly, either outcome wouldn't surprise me.  But you should be prepared to hire a benefits attorney if the managing bank doesn't have a stock plan for you.

    **Not legal/tax advice
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  • I don't know any of the legal or HR specific details, but my last employer was an NGO with <5 employees, and we had a 403(b) through American Funds. Our investment choices were fairly limited, but it was nice to have an alternative to the IRA for tax advantaged retirement savings.
  • @hoffse I'm not sure what our tax status is. The last time I asked was a couple of years ago when I was considering applying for PSLF. My supervisor and admin both had no idea, and when I decided against the program I dropped it. I know we call ourselves "quasi-public," but unlike @simplyelise we have no public benefits and really just function like an NGO. In any case, hiring an attorney would probably be a nonstarter with my board. I was hoping there were companies where you could just "sign up" but that may not be the case. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter!

    @maple2 I'll Google the company you mentioned just in case. Thank you!

    @simplyelise thanks for your feedback too!
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