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We just moved in to our new house a week ago. We didn't do a home inspection, we took it as is. So, we had a plumbing/heating and air person come out. Well, in the next year, we'll need to replace the water heater. (Which we realized.) And in the next couple of years, all 3 toilets will have to be replaced, as will our entire HVAC system and probably some duct work. So, that's around a 10 grand expense, if not more. We'll be shopping around. And then, I was cleaning our laminate wood floors with my new steam mop (It said it would be safe!!) and it was NOT safe. Ruined a few parts of our floor in the entry/dining room. Thankfully we can hide it for the most part, because otherwise it would take thousands to fix that entire area. Man. What a sad, expense few days. I thought 2016 would be better for saving, not so much! Because we still have to buy tires for our car, around 1000, and pay back some taxes from our old house which will be a few thousand.

My question to you guys.. I have $10000 set aside from my mom. I was going to split it and put it in an IRA over the next 2 years, because we're behind on retirement. But now I am thinking should I save it for the new HVAC system? By the end of next year, after all the other expenses of taxes, tires and water heater, we'll probably have around 26000-27000 (edited) in savings, which is about a 7 (Edited) month efund for us (if both of us lost our jobs at the same time.) Should I still put that money in retirement, and then just drain our savings to pay for the HVAC ourselves down the road and then rebuild it? I'm guessing the answer is yes.. but just wanted money matters input to back me up! It's scary taking that much out of your savings to put money into something you aren't actually seeing at that moment, like retirement. 
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  • What's the rest of your budget look like?  Do you have some money to allocate to save up for the HVAC system? 

    I would actually save half the $10k into an account for the HVAC and do the other 5k into your retirement.  Then, throughout this year and next (and beyond, since you don't know when the HVAC will go), save a bit every month to put towards it.  If for some reason the HVAC goes before you have the entire 10k saved up, you could then pull from savings.  But maybe put yourself on a 2 year plan to save up the rest of the 5k needed... broken down over 24 months, that's only $200/month.
  • Sorry for all of the bad news on the new house :(  Did you get a deal for foregoing the inspection or is that just how things go where you live?

    What I would do with the money depends a little bit on how long you have until you need to make all of these repairs.  With our new house we had similar quandry; the home came with the original boiler (1966!) that was still functional but hugely expensive to run and a ticking time bomb.  We chose to replace it right away (we live in New England so a dead boiler in the winter would be devastating) and pay cash for the improvement.  A year and a half in, I have mixed feelings about our decision.  We had a 0% financing option available to us-no credit cards or weird tricks, but a state program where National Grid pays the interest on loans for energy efficiency upgrades.  Everyone's debt aversion is different, but I think I would have slept better with that money in the bank vs. having one less payment.  On the bright side, I do feel the upgrade was great for our home's resale value.

    Given how many things will need replacement soon in your house, I probably wouldn't put the money in your Roth right now.  I'd use some to take care of the water heater, back taxes, and tires, and use the rest as a home e-fund while you continue to save for other upgrades you know are coming.  Toilets shouldn't be too bad but the HVAC will be a big one.  Others may think differently than me, but that's what I'd almost definitely do.  I'd still budget for monthly Roth contributions while all this was going on, however.  

    If you are not debt averse, check if your state has any 0% financing or energy audit type programs for replacing the water heater and/or HVAC with an energy efficient model.  We could have gotten 0% financing for our boiler/hot water heater combo, which we declined, but we still got a $500 rebate.  In our state, the program isn't especially well advertised, but it's great!  They also gave us free energy efficient light bulbs for every light in our home and a couple of power strips.  

    I hope things start looking up soon!
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  • Yeah if you are behind on retirement, I would put that money into retirement to the extent you can and build up savings for the HVAC separately.  It's one of those hard things because you don't know how long you'll have, but it might surprise you.  Ours was scheduled to die years ago.  The inspector actually couldn't believe it was still working when we bought the house, and we've gotten a couple more summers out of it since the inspection, with no end in sight (yet).  We're not replacing it until it's dead.

    On the bright side, toilets are really cheap and easy to replace yourself.  It's not particularly pleasant, but people with no plumbing experience at all can usually do it after watching a couple of youtube videos.  My H has replaced all of our toilets to the tune of about $95 each.



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  • Some people sell as is, so an inspection is pointless at that point, we were ok with that. They wouldn't have brought the price down anymore for this- we got a major steal on the house. We kept money aside for big things like this once we knew we'd be getting inspections. Where we live, houses are put up pretty fast with horrible materials that go fast, so you expect to replace a lot after 10 years, and the house is 11. So we were expecting some of this, it's still just a lot to take in. But our city has expensive electric/gas prices, so replacing the system sooner rather than later would help monthly costs. Yah, maybe I'll keep 5 grand of it for all of this and put the other 5 in to an IRA. And we're still saving each month, a little bit for house maintenance, a little bit for car stuff, a little bit for retirement, a little bit for normal savings lol. It's one big pot divvied up into categories. 
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  • hoffse said:
    Yeah if you are behind on retirement, I would put that money into retirement to the extent you can and build up savings for the HVAC separately.  It's one of those hard things because you don't know how long you'll have, but it might surprise you.  Ours was scheduled to die years ago.  The inspector actually couldn't believe it was still working when we bought the house, and we've gotten a couple more summers out of it since the inspection, with no end in sight (yet).  We're not replacing it until it's dead.

    On the bright side, toilets are really cheap and easy to replace yourself.  It's not particularly pleasant, but people with no plumbing experience at all can usually do it after watching a couple of youtube videos.  My H has replaced all of our toilets to the tune of about $95 each.



    Yah we were thinking my H could do the toilets when they do die, or if you get it from lowes it's a lot cheaper to install with them if you buy the toilet from them. I don't think we have to worry about the toilets for awhile. The water heater for sure next summer, and yah, not sure about HVAC. Where I live, it's in triple digits a lot of the summer. Maybe parts of it just need to be cleaned and small parts replaced. We're looking in to it. It all just sucks! But at least we know now, so we can start prepping for it. 
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  • I know it's too late for you now, but to anybody who might be reading, even if you are buying as-is, GET A HOME INSPECTION.  

    My first house was a major fixer upper.  I knew it needed tons of work, and the seller was an estate selling as-is.  I still got a home inspection because I wanted to know what I was up against, and I would have walked if there were MAJOR problems, ie structural.  Thankfully there wasn't, and the inspection report gave me a great checklist to help me prioritize the repairs that I needed to do after closing.

    I almost bought a home in Chicago after selling my condo.  It was also an estate fixer upper, very charming Chicago bungalow that hadn't been updated in 30 years.  Upon my own somewhat experienced visual inspection (I've probably been on close to 100 home inspections), everything looked to just be cosmetic.  But, I don't know everything so before I responded to the seller's counter offer, I asked my home inspector if he could just swing by and take a look at a few things I wasn't sure on.  Turns out the electric service from the alley to the house was bad, and would be a very very costly repair.  I ended up removing my offer because I wasn't prepared to fix something like that right off the bat.... so I sure am glad I asked my guy just to take a quick look.  
  • A lot of HVAC companies offer 0% financing through the manufacturer if you do it on the shoulder season (March-May and October-November depending on where you live) and not during peak season.  Manufacturers and HVAC companies can offer other deals and incentives during that time as well because they want to keep their installation crews busy so they don't have to lay them off.  My brother-in-law owns his own HVAC company so I have an inside scoop.  :)

    As you shop around for HVAC more isn't always better as far capacity.  If the unit you buy is too big for your house it will not work as efficiently as it could which will cost you more in the long run.  if you have a two story home a two stage system will be something worth paying for.  The system runs longer when it is on, but it doesn't turn on full blast (which uses more energy) if it only needs a slight temp adjustment.

    Also, while this is personal preference, upgrading an old furnace to a 96% efficient system is best.  The cost to go from 96% to 98% is substantial and doesn't come with as much energy savings to make up the difference.

    We went with a 17 SEER two stage AC and a 96% gas furnace with a whole home humidifier, upgraded air filter and UV light and the price would have been about $10,000 (we got a family discount).  Our bills have gone down but it is hard to tell exactly how much is the higher efficiency and how much is we aren't using it as much due to the more mild temps this summer and fall.

    I would also recommend replacing it before it completely dies.  I did some market research for my brother in law while I was laid off this spring.  I called his competitors and had them come give me an estimate to replace our system knowing that BIL was going to do it for us at the family rate.

    Even though it was a no-pressure deal for me the amount of options presented, the different terminology and different opinions of what we needed was stressing me out.  I can't imagine having to do the research in the middle of summer or winter when you need it put in NOW.
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  • I know it's too late for you now, but to anybody who might be reading, even if you are buying as-is, GET A HOME INSPECTION.  

    My first house was a major fixer upper.  I knew it needed tons of work, and the seller was an estate selling as-is.  I still got a home inspection because I wanted to know what I was up against, and I would have walked if there were MAJOR problems, ie structural.  Thankfully there wasn't, and the inspection report gave me a great checklist to help me prioritize the repairs that I needed to do after closing.

    I almost bought a home in Chicago after selling my condo.  It was also an estate fixer upper, very charming Chicago bungalow that hadn't been updated in 30 years.  Upon my own somewhat experienced visual inspection (I've probably been on close to 100 home inspections), everything looked to just be cosmetic.  But, I don't know everything so before I responded to the seller's counter offer, I asked my home inspector if he could just swing by and take a look at a few things I wasn't sure on.  Turns out the electric service from the alley to the house was bad, and would be a very very costly repair.  I ended up removing my offer because I wasn't prepared to fix something like that right off the bat.... so I sure am glad I asked my guy just to take a quick look.  

    I hugely concur with @julieanne912.  You just want to know what you are getting into.  If a major problem is uncovered, that will give you the opportunity to walk or often get a lower price...even if the seller won't fix it themselves. 

    My primary home was a foreclosure when I bought it.  Generally speaking, banks won't do jack when it comes to repairs.  I harassed them and harassed them to get the house "un-winterized" before my inspection.  They said they would, but didn't.  I kept harassing them throughout the process until it was one week before closing.  I put my foot down and said I wouldn't close until the house was un-winterized (I'd heard things can sometimes go wrong with that process). 

    Thank goodness I did.  Their agent told us there had been a "minor problem" during the un-winterizing and they needed to push closing back for one more week.  Minor problem, lol?  When my H and I went over the day before closing to run the faucets and make sure everything seemed okay, the plumbing for the entire back half of the house (both sides) had all been replaced!!!  They had also replaced both hot water heaters, which was awesome because they were on their last legs and we were planning to replace them anyway.

    Now that I've started looking at rental property investments...which are often in rough shape...I've learned that inspections don't need to come with all the expensive bells and whistles.  I still get an inspection done once I'm under contract, but it is a "major systems" inspection.  My inspector looks at the roof and the foundation.  He also glances at the electrical, plumbing, and HVAC, though usually those systems can't even be turned on anyway.  That's it.  Its only $125-$150 per house as opposed to the more typical and thorough type of inspection that is in the $400 range.  Like I joked to him when I first formed our relationship, I don't need a 40-page report with a hundred pics of missing outlet covers.  I just need to know what is going to cost me big bucks...that I can't already see...either right away or within the next few years.

    Short story long.  To future home buyers, at least get a major systems type of inspection.  They're pretty cheap and will at least alert you to most of the really expensive stuff that can go wrong. 

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    To the OP, sorry to hear about the HVAC issue.  Meh!  Like the other PPs mentioned, the toilets are a pain, but easily DIYed for not too much money.

    For the HVAC, ask questions if it can be reconditioned (I think that's the term).  Basically, a tune-up.  For the duplex I'm finishing up, one HVAC unit needed to be completely replaced and the other one could get away with a tune-up.  The tune-up ran me $850 and the replacement ran me $2400.  I forget how old the one that got the tune-up was, but I think it was 15-20 years old.  My guy and the research I did told me I should get at least another 5 years out of it.

    The replacement unit was that cheap because it was used, but only 18 months old.  It's a 3-ton and the apartment it is for is 1200 square feet.  You can save a lot of money going used, but you need to be very cautious if you go this route.  Make sure you know the age and history of the unit.  Also try to get a warranty, though I'm not sure if this is a standard custom. 

    I had estimated over double that amount when I first put my construction costs together, so I was pretty happy camper.  Too bad I ran over on so..so..so..so many other things, lol.

  • hoffse said:
    Yeah if you are behind on retirement, I would put that money into retirement to the extent you can and build up savings for the HVAC separately.  It's one of those hard things because you don't know how long you'll have, but it might surprise you.  Ours was scheduled to die years ago.  The inspector actually couldn't believe it was still working when we bought the house, and we've gotten a couple more summers out of it since the inspection, with no end in sight (yet).  We're not replacing it until it's dead.

    On the bright side, toilets are really cheap and easy to replace yourself.  It's not particularly pleasant, but people with no plumbing experience at all can usually do it after watching a couple of youtube videos.  My H has replaced all of our toilets to the tune of about $95 each.

    *SITB--Agree with @hoffse, as usual.


  • I know it's too late for you now, but to anybody who might be reading, even if you are buying as-is, GET A HOME INSPECTION.  

    My first house was a major fixer upper.  I knew it needed tons of work, and the seller was an estate selling as-is.  I still got a home inspection because I wanted to know what I was up against, and I would have walked if there were MAJOR problems, ie structural.  Thankfully there wasn't, and the inspection report gave me a great checklist to help me prioritize the repairs that I needed to do after closing.

    I almost bought a home in Chicago after selling my condo.  It was also an estate fixer upper, very charming Chicago bungalow that hadn't been updated in 30 years.  Upon my own somewhat experienced visual inspection (I've probably been on close to 100 home inspections), everything looked to just be cosmetic.  But, I don't know everything so before I responded to the seller's counter offer, I asked my home inspector if he could just swing by and take a look at a few things I wasn't sure on.  Turns out the electric service from the alley to the house was bad, and would be a very very costly repair.  I ended up removing my offer because I wasn't prepared to fix something like that right off the bat.... so I sure am glad I asked my guy just to take a quick look.  

    I hugely concur with @julieanne912.  You just want to know what you are getting into.  If a major problem is uncovered, that will give you the opportunity to walk or often get a lower price...even if the seller won't fix it themselves. 

    My primary home was a foreclosure when I bought it.  Generally speaking, banks won't do jack when it comes to repairs.  I harassed them and harassed them to get the house "un-winterized" before my inspection.  They said they would, but didn't.  I kept harassing them throughout the process until it was one week before closing.  I put my foot down and said I wouldn't close until the house was un-winterized (I'd heard things can sometimes go wrong with that process). 

    Thank goodness I did.  Their agent told us there had been a "minor problem" during the un-winterizing and they needed to push closing back for one more week.  Minor problem, lol?  When my H and I went over the day before closing to run the faucets and make sure everything seemed okay, the plumbing for the entire back half of the house (both sides) had all been replaced!!!  They had also replaced both hot water heaters, which was awesome because they were on their last legs and we were planning to replace them anyway.

    Now that I've started looking at rental property investments...which are often in rough shape...I've learned that inspections don't need to come with all the expensive bells and whistles.  I still get an inspection done once I'm under contract, but it is a "major systems" inspection.  My inspector looks at the roof and the foundation.  He also glances at the electrical, plumbing, and HVAC, though usually those systems can't even be turned on anyway.  That's it.  Its only $125-$150 per house as opposed to the more typical and thorough type of inspection that is in the $400 range.  Like I joked to him when I first formed our relationship, I don't need a 40-page report with a hundred pics of missing outlet covers.  I just need to know what is going to cost me big bucks...that I can't already see...either right away or within the next few years.

    Short story long.  To future home buyers, at least get a major systems type of inspection.  They're pretty cheap and will at least alert you to most of the really expensive stuff that can go wrong. 


    my husband is in construction and hates home inspections, he did one himself. we knew the whole HVAC system would have to be replaced in the next few years, it was just a shock to hear someone say it should be done right now. But, then we have other people saying, oh no, just let it die out. (But we are going to replace before it dies out so we don't get in to a pickle). We have the money for it- so we're ok. But on most cases, yes, I agree, do a home inspection if you won't have the money to fix anything big that comes up or if it's an older home. Also, don't fully trust the home inspections, because 2 inspectors did one at the house we sold, and nothing came up, and believe you me, there was plenty that should have that they didn't catch. When it comes to HVAC issues, they don't catch a lot.

    I just spoke with my mom though, and we'll still put the money into retirement, and pull from our savings to do the HVAC, which hopefully we can get another year out of till we replace. 
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  • I would probably get your efund fully funded, then earmark the $10k to put toward the HVAC.  I would not pull from my efund for an HVAC replacement that I was told was coming up, and I could plan appropriately for.  But I get nervous when it comes to using the efund for planned expenses.  To me, the efund is for job loss or major car accident, only.  

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    I personally won't keep over 6 months of expenses in savings*. So I would still put the 10k towards retirement (couldn't you almost fully fund Roth's for each of you for one year instead of spreading it out over two?). Then I would set a time for when I want to replace everything and figure out how much to save each month in a sinking fund for the replacements. Everything else earmarked for savings would go towards the efund. To me, that's diverting money from efund towards the sinking fund, not using efund for an anticipated need. 

    Unless you guys are both in unstable jobs or have health issues, I don't see a problem slowing down the efund savings if you are already over at least 3 months of expenses in it. But really, it's just semantics because money is fungible. I definitely wouldn't take money intended for retirement and use it for HVAC stuff. 

    ETA: *in efund savings.
  • orangehillsorangehills member
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    Yah, you guys are making me see sense. I'll put it in the IRA. And no- we won't full fund for both of us, because my mom is gifting it to me, not my husband, so it has to go in my IRA, spread out over 2 years, or be used for the house. (her rules, there's a lot to it..) We do have stable jobs and no health issues. what we save now will just go to pay for this stuff then, and once that is all saved/paid for, come 2017 I'll fill up the efund to a 6 month again, which shouldn't take too long, and we'll just start saving for a normal fund for other stuff. Ok, it's all making me feel better! 
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    Or, if the HVAC system can last till mid 2017, we'll be able to pay for it and still have our efund at 6 months by the end of that year, which is where I like it. Feeling better now! You guys help me :) 
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