Not really MM: Mexico recs?

dragonstarjk · January 2016

I'm going to ask on here because, well...this is the only board I talk to :-P.

H and I have just started floating the idea around of going on a trip to Mexico next February (2017) with another couple we are friends with. I have no idea if this will happen or if it will even be in the budget, but I wanted to get a head start on research just in case.

Anybody have recommendations for the eastern Mexico/Yucatan area? I'm looking at Cozumel, Cancun, Playa del Carmen, or other places that might be less heard of. It doesn't have to be *totally* MM, but nothing super expensive either. I'd prefer an all-inclusive, but would consider other options if there would be amenities within walking distance. If we do have a rental car, I imagine the guys will have it most of the time to go on fishing adventures, so the girls will need to be able to fend for ourselves.

Our wants:

-H and his friend will want to go fishing for bone fish. They prefer to not do a group excursion, but rather a 'do it yourself' but maybe with a guide.

-The girls will probably be more interested in things like laying on the beach, the spa, and yoga. She's a huge yoga buff. I'm not that into it, but I've done yoga and I've always wanted to try it on the beach.

-We consider ourselves somewhat foodies, but I hate seafood. Need a good variety of restaurants where I can find things to eat.

-We're not huge water sports people; maybe a canoe and some snorkeling, but that's about it.

-Probably do a day trip to some ruins (Tulum?)

-Neither couple has children and we would probably prefer an adults-only resort, but its not a necessity.

For me, good food and a good beach is more important than luxurious accommodation.

AprilZ81 · January 2016

I've been to Cozumel several times but only as a stop on a cruise. It seems pretty nice, but commercialized and OVERRUN with cruisers. A lot of the resorts offer days passes to cruise ship passengers so if you want peace and quiet I would not go to Cozumel.

BlueBirdMB · January 2016

I recommend staying as far away from Cancun, Playa del Carmen, and Cozumel as possible. They are gigantic tourist traps (and somewhat dangerous as a result) and you won't get to experience even a tiny bit of Mexican culture. Do you actually want to stay at a resort? Again, you won't experience much of Mexico and might as well be in Florida.

I adore Mexico. It's my favorite country to travel to in the world. It's beautiful and it's a beautiful culture, but people who go and sit in resorts in towns that were created by the Mexican government (all the ones you listed) specifically for tourists do the country zero justice. So I'm going to be completely honest here, because I hate to see people go to such an amazing country and not experience anything about the country.

If you must spend time on the Mayan Riveria (at this point, the entire place is overrun with tourists), try Akumal. It's the last hold out town because it was given a special protection from development because the sea turtles there. There are some nice hotels there (not resorts and not all-inclusives), but my suggestion if you are going with a group is Las Casitas Akumal. They are really big condos (sleep a bunch of people) with full maid service and full kitchens. When you step out the backdoor, you are stepping onto the beach of a coral reef bay. The beach is fantastic- the best in the area in my opinion. The snorkeling and diving is awesome. You can charter a fishing boat and guide right from the beach.

Tulum used to be a sleepy little town with the only Mayan ruin on the ocean. It's very small and minor (historically speaking) but it's beautiful. It's still worth the trip, although the traffic in town is horrific because of the tourists. If you want more history, go to Coba and Chichen Itza. Coba has less tourists and you can climb the pyramids still (unlike Chichen Itza), but it's very hot, so bring water and be prepared.

The Mayan Rivera is not a place for foodies. You're lucky if you can eat okay- you won't find anything exceptional. You are too far from the real Mexico and too deep into the tourist trap for that, I'm afraid. Remember basic food safety. Don't eat any fruits or vegetables where the skin hasn't been removed or can't be removed (like no lettuce for example). The exception is anything with cilantro. Cilantro kills the bacteria that makes us sick. Otherwise, street food is fine, but don't try a stand that doesn't seem to be popular. Drink bottled water only.

Rent a car. For real. You can't leave Cancun easily without one. It's not expensive to rent a car there. Buy insurance before you go (it's a law in Quintana Roo that you have to buy this absurdly priced insurance, but if you buy ahead, it's cheaper). Then you can go to ruins or other attractions easily too. I recommend going to Xcaret. It's a natural water park. Totally for tourists (although there are a tons of Mexican tourists there too), but it's super fun. The underground river is a must do.

My favorite trip is to do a couple days in Akumal, then drive to Merida. It's a city a couple hours away that's super fun. It's a great party city if you like that sort of thing, it's beautiful, and the food is really good.

I'm attaching pictures from our trip in May (it was the beginning of the rainy season, thus it wasn't perfectly blue sky all the time). The beach is literally the beach that the condos I mentioned walk out onto. Then Chichen Itza and Merida (it has beautiful Spanish Colonial architecture)

dragonstarjk · January 2016

Thank you, this is all excellent information! I admit I know nothing about Mexico, so I really appreciate you giving me honest feedback and ideas without judging me for being a tourist, lol.

The reason we are looking into that region is because on researching bone fish, it's one of the best regions to fish for them. Since that is the major selling point for H and his friend, it's one of the higher priorities on our list. Although, the Bahamas is also a really popular fishing spot, so maybe I need to expand my research.

Mexico appeals to me more than the Bahamas though, for the history. Plus, the other girl that would be going is an archeologist, so I think she'd love any and all of the ruins that were mentioned.

Xstatic3333 · January 2016

Second hand, the Occidental Grand in Cozumel is supposed to be really nice. Lots of my dive friends go there.

hoffse · January 2016

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

brij2006 · January 2016

One place I will recommend not to go to is any of the Palace Resorts in Cancun. They were very commercialized and busy. You had to fight for a chair to lay in by the beach or pool, and the food was sub par.

Now, we have stayed at a Secrets resort on an island and absolutely loved it. They all are adults only and so worth it. There are 4 Secrets resorts in Cancun, and I've done extensive research multiple times about staying at them. They also have resorts in other parts of Mexico.

Do some research on Puerto Vallarta. That part has been on our list multiple times, and the cost is a little more than Cancun but it's a bit more secluded.

BlueBirdMB · January 2016

hoffse said:

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

SITB The drug issue is only an issue that you would see and feel in border towns. It's a huge misconception that Mexico is dangerous. In fact, the only time I have ever felt unsafe was in Cancun and I've traveled throughout Mexico quite a bit. Cancun has had it shares of violence issues because of the tourist density. Otherwise, I have always felt very comfortable and have seen zero evidence of violence.

I'm not judging people who like resorts, I just don't get why they'd go all the way to Mexico for something they could get on a Caribbean Island or Florida. One resort is like another for the most part.

The fishing is excellent. OP, your husband would really enjoy it. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I've chartered boats in Akumal. Then the guide has cleaned them for me and I've taken the fish down to the local restaurant on the beach and they've cooked it for me. It's pretty awesome.

If you like history, definetely get a car so you can experience some of it, regardless of where you stay. Some of the resorts have tours to Chichen Itza, but the tours seem overcrowded from what I've seen. This way you can choose which ruins you'd like to see. And don't forget- do an underground river! There are a few options to choose from, but it's a one of a kind experience!

BlueBirdMB · January 2016

Oh! I forgot to mention the best food options. Again, nothing is spectacular in the area, but these are your best bets. Playa del Carmen is pretty easy to find some ok places. The places change constantly, so I can't tell you anything specifically, but on the main street, most of the places are decent. Try a Mayan pulled pork (conchinita pibil) it's one of the few dishes from the region that I suggest people try.

La Lunita on Half Moon Bay in Akumal is quite close to all of the major towns on the Rivera. It's worth the trip. It's a beautiful restaurant. The tables are literally in the sand and everything is lit by candlelight. The food is quite good.

Here's the view:

julieanne912 · January 2016

BlueBirdMB said:

hoffse said:

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

SITB The drug issue is only an issue that you would see and feel in border towns. It's a huge misconception that Mexico is dangerous. In fact, the only time I have ever felt unsafe was in Cancun and I've traveled throughout Mexico quite a bit. Cancun has had it shares of violence issues because of the tourist density. Otherwise, I have always felt very comfortable and have seen zero evidence of violence.

I'm not judging people who like resorts, I just don't get why they'd go all the way to Mexico for something they could get on a Caribbean Island or Florida. One resort is like another for the most part.

The fishing is excellent. OP, your husband would really enjoy it. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I've chartered boats in Akumal. Then the guide has cleaned them for me and I've taken the fish down to the local restaurant on the beach and they've cooked it for me. It's pretty awesome.

If you like history, definetely get a car so you can experience some of it, regardless of where you stay. Some of the resorts have tours to Chichen Itza, but the tours seem overcrowded from what I've seen. This way you can choose which ruins you'd like to see. And don't forget- do an underground river! There are a few options to choose from, but it's a one of a kind experience!

Because some people like to just go relax on a vacation... I know I do, and wouldn't mind going "all the way" to somewhere like Mexico to do that. I don't think the beaches in Florida are comparable to Mexico, from what I've researched. And for the western parts of the country, going to Mexico is closer than the Caribbean and possibly even Florida. So yeah, you do have a bit of the "you damn tourists" judgy attitude in your posts. This is the exact kind of "travel snobbery" that was discussed in the travel thread.

dragonstar, I don't have any recs because we are thinking of doing something similar, so thanks for posting this

Also, Southwest has some Mexican destinations now, you can fly direct to Cancun from Denver I believe.

BlueBirdMB · January 2016

I was talking more about the area that she was suggesting to go, not the western part of Mexico. I'm not trying to be a snob by any means. It's just such a beautiful country and when people go to Cancun and don't see any other parts of it you could be anywhere with a nice beach (plenty of the islands and the Keys have beautiful beaches, but don't have other attractions just steps from the resorts that people miss). I also feel sad when I hear of people going to Cancun or Cozumel and complaining about how ugly it was and most people I know who have gone to those places have not enjoyed their experience.

I thought in the other thread people were talking about how others were snobby for assuming everyone could afford the luxury of traveling? I'm not talking about that at all. I realize that traveling is a luxury that not everyone can afford. These are simply my suggestions for an enjoyable experience in the area. I like sitting on a beach as much as the next person, which is why I have been to the area several times. If I'm coming off as snobby, I'm sorry about that.

brij2006 · January 2016

julieanne912 said:

BlueBirdMB said:

hoffse said:

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

SITB The drug issue is only an issue that you would see and feel in border towns. It's a huge misconception that Mexico is dangerous. In fact, the only time I have ever felt unsafe was in Cancun and I've traveled throughout Mexico quite a bit. Cancun has had it shares of violence issues because of the tourist density. Otherwise, I have always felt very comfortable and have seen zero evidence of violence.

I'm not judging people who like resorts, I just don't get why they'd go all the way to Mexico for something they could get on a Caribbean Island or Florida. One resort is like another for the most part.

The fishing is excellent. OP, your husband would really enjoy it. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I've chartered boats in Akumal. Then the guide has cleaned them for me and I've taken the fish down to the local restaurant on the beach and they've cooked it for me. It's pretty awesome.

If you like history, definetely get a car so you can experience some of it, regardless of where you stay. Some of the resorts have tours to Chichen Itza, but the tours seem overcrowded from what I've seen. This way you can choose which ruins you'd like to see. And don't forget- do an underground river! There are a few options to choose from, but it's a one of a kind experience!

Because some people like to just go relax on a vacation... I know I do, and wouldn't mind going "all the way" to somewhere like Mexico to do that. I don't think the beaches in Florida are comparable to Mexico, from what I've researched. And for the western parts of the country, going to Mexico is closer than the Caribbean and possibly even Florida. So yeah, you do have a bit of the "you damn tourists" judgy attitude in your posts. This is the exact kind of "travel snobbery" that was discussed in the travel thread.

dragonstar, I don't have any recs because we are thinking of doing something similar, so thanks for posting this Also, Southwest has some Mexican destinations now, you can fly direct to Cancun from Denver I believe.

Ditto. If we go to a resort, we're looking to relax and not worry about anything. We can't get that in Florida. You still have to plan everything, pull out your wallet for every meal or drink, research where to eat/how to get there.

The Carribean is actually more expensive than Mexico (at least from here). So Mexico is always considered our "cheap relaxing trip." We can find a 7 day trip for under $2,500 at an all-inclusive in Mexico. We can't even go to Vegas for 4 days for that price.

Everyone travels differently. Some focus solely on R&R, others want to plan and experience every possibility and culture in the area. There's nothing wrong with either one.

als1982 · January 2016

BlueBirdMB said:

hoffse said:

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

SITB The drug issue is only an issue that you would see and feel in border towns. It's a huge misconception that Mexico is dangerous. In fact, the only time I have ever felt unsafe was in Cancun and I've traveled throughout Mexico quite a bit. Cancun has had it shares of violence issues because of the tourist density. Otherwise, I have always felt very comfortable and have seen zero evidence of violence.

I'm not judging people who like resorts, I just don't get why they'd go all the way to Mexico for something they could get on a Caribbean Island or Florida. One resort is like another for the most part.

The fishing is excellent. OP, your husband would really enjoy it. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I've chartered boats in Akumal. Then the guide has cleaned them for me and I've taken the fish down to the local restaurant on the beach and they've cooked it for me. It's pretty awesome.

If you like history, definetely get a car so you can experience some of it, regardless of where you stay. Some of the resorts have tours to Chichen Itza, but the tours seem overcrowded from what I've seen. This way you can choose which ruins you'd like to see. And don't forget- do an underground river! There are a few options to choose from, but it's a one of a kind experience!

In addition to drug crimes and issues with the cartel, corruption is prevalent throughout Mexico and it's near impossible there to tell between actual police and those impersonating police for extortion. My SIL and her fiancé ran into issues during a visit a few months ago, involving someone claiming to be an authority figure threatening them. They ended up shelling out $500 out of fear that they would be hurt or jailed if they didn't. I should also note that he was born and raised in Mexico City, all his family still lives in Mexico and they both speak fluent Spanish.

hoffse · January 2016

@BlueBird, the reason people go to Mexico for resorts is because there are no AI's in Florida, and Mexico is cheaper than virtually all of the Caribbean islands. Flights to and from Mexico are also a lot cheaper, often on par with flying to Florida. A lot of it is budget-driven.

There are parts of Mexico that are safe. But there are areas that are not. OP said she isn't familiar with Mexico, so I think the safety issue is worth a mention so that she knows to look into it. I think the State Department is overly cautious, but their warnings about Mexico are significantly more extensive than some other parts of Central and South America. Take a minute and compare Mexico to Costa Rica on their website. It's a huge difference. Violence is a problem there in certain regions. It's a problem here too. The difference is Americans are probably better equipped to handle it here than in a foreign country.

They actually issue warnings state by state for Mexico. The areas you are talking about have no warnings and are perfectly safe to visit, as long as you use standard precautions you would use anywhere else. All I'm saying is OP should do her due diligence before going to a country she's unfamiliar with. I would recommend that for any country, but particularly ones where violence is a known issue in certain regions.

I'm not bashing Mexico by any means. You had better believe I was watching the State Department warnings for Belgium and Germany like a hawk before our last trip. We actually registered with them for the first time, because the warnings were that serious.

BlueBirdMB · January 2016

hoffse said:

@BlueBird, the reason people go to Mexico for resorts is because there are no AI's in Florida, and Mexico is cheaper than virtually all of the Caribbean islands. Flights to and from Mexico are also a lot cheaper, often on par with flying to Florida. A lot of it is budget-driven.

There are parts of Mexico that are safe. But there are areas that are not. OP said she isn't familiar with Mexico, so I think the safety issue is worth a mention so that she knows to look into it. I think the State Department is overly cautious, but their warnings about Mexico are significantly more extensive than some other parts of Central and South America. Take a minute and compare Mexico to Costa Rica on their website. It's a huge difference. Violence is a problem there in certain regions. It's a problem here too. The difference is Americans are probably better equipped to handle it here than in a foreign country.

They actually issue warnings state by state for Mexico. The areas you are talking about have no warnings and are perfectly safe to visit, as long as you use standard precautions you would use anywhere else. All I'm saying is OP should do her due diligence before going to a country she's unfamiliar with. I would recommend that for any country, but particularly ones where violence is a known issue in certain regions.

I'm not bashing Mexico by any means. You had better believe I was watching the State Department warnings for Belgium and Germany like a hawk before our last trip. We actually registered with them for the first time, because the warnings were that serious.

I totally understand. I agree that safety when traveling abroad is something to be diligent about. There are parts of the country that I would never travel to, but what I meant was that the general area of the Yucatan is fine to freely travel around.

brij2006 · January 2016

Not being familiar with Mexico and looking for a place to relax with another couple, is a good reason to not go gallivanting around the countryside in a rental car.

julieanne912 · January 2016

brij2006 said:

julieanne912 said:

BlueBirdMB said:

hoffse said:

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

SITB The drug issue is only an issue that you would see and feel in border towns. It's a huge misconception that Mexico is dangerous. In fact, the only time I have ever felt unsafe was in Cancun and I've traveled throughout Mexico quite a bit. Cancun has had it shares of violence issues because of the tourist density. Otherwise, I have always felt very comfortable and have seen zero evidence of violence.

I'm not judging people who like resorts, I just don't get why they'd go all the way to Mexico for something they could get on a Caribbean Island or Florida. One resort is like another for the most part.

The fishing is excellent. OP, your husband would really enjoy it. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I've chartered boats in Akumal. Then the guide has cleaned them for me and I've taken the fish down to the local restaurant on the beach and they've cooked it for me. It's pretty awesome.

If you like history, definetely get a car so you can experience some of it, regardless of where you stay. Some of the resorts have tours to Chichen Itza, but the tours seem overcrowded from what I've seen. This way you can choose which ruins you'd like to see. And don't forget- do an underground river! There are a few options to choose from, but it's a one of a kind experience!

Because some people like to just go relax on a vacation... I know I do, and wouldn't mind going "all the way" to somewhere like Mexico to do that. I don't think the beaches in Florida are comparable to Mexico, from what I've researched. And for the western parts of the country, going to Mexico is closer than the Caribbean and possibly even Florida. So yeah, you do have a bit of the "you damn tourists" judgy attitude in your posts. This is the exact kind of "travel snobbery" that was discussed in the travel thread.

dragonstar, I don't have any recs because we are thinking of doing something similar, so thanks for posting this Also, Southwest has some Mexican destinations now, you can fly direct to Cancun from Denver I believe.

Ditto. If we go to a resort, we're looking to relax and not worry about anything. We can't get that in Florida. You still have to plan everything, pull out your wallet for every meal or drink, research where to eat/how to get there.
The Carribean is actually more expensive than Mexico (at least from here). So Mexico is always considered our "cheap relaxing trip." We can find a 7 day trip for under $2,500 at an all-inclusive in Mexico. We can't even go to Vegas for 4 days for that price.

Everyone travels differently. Some focus solely on R&R, others want to plan and experience every possibility and culture in the area. There's nothing wrong with either one.

Yup, I know if we go, my goal will be to sleep in, get up, have lunch and some cocktails, preferably by the ocean somewhere, take a nap, then get up, have dinner and some more cocktails, then go back to bed. All without having to pull out my wallet or really worry about anything other than not losing my room key so I don't have to go to the front desk/office to get a new one when I'm hammered :-D

Xstatic3333 · January 2016

julieanne912 said:

brij2006 said:

julieanne912 said:

BlueBirdMB said:

hoffse said:

I don't think there's anything wrong in going to a resort. If that's what you guys are interested in doing, then go for it. I like ruins and culture as much as the next person, but sometimes you just need a vacation. Mexico is so close (and cheap) that going back is NBD if the country holds a cultural interest for you as well.

Le Blanc is on my bucket list of places to stay. It's not really MM for Mexico - a lot of resorts are much cheaper - but it looks amazing. I think you also have privileges at the other Palace resorts, so you could spend a day seeing what they have to offer.

If you go outside of the tourist zone into "real" Mexico, do your research to make sure you are staying in safe areas. The drug cartels are a huge problem there, and they make certain areas pretty unstable. Many places are totally fine - just make sure you stay in those areas, and watch what the State Department is saying about it.

SITB The drug issue is only an issue that you would see and feel in border towns. It's a huge misconception that Mexico is dangerous. In fact, the only time I have ever felt unsafe was in Cancun and I've traveled throughout Mexico quite a bit. Cancun has had it shares of violence issues because of the tourist density. Otherwise, I have always felt very comfortable and have seen zero evidence of violence.

I'm not judging people who like resorts, I just don't get why they'd go all the way to Mexico for something they could get on a Caribbean Island or Florida. One resort is like another for the most part.

The fishing is excellent. OP, your husband would really enjoy it. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I've chartered boats in Akumal. Then the guide has cleaned them for me and I've taken the fish down to the local restaurant on the beach and they've cooked it for me. It's pretty awesome.

If you like history, definetely get a car so you can experience some of it, regardless of where you stay. Some of the resorts have tours to Chichen Itza, but the tours seem overcrowded from what I've seen. This way you can choose which ruins you'd like to see. And don't forget- do an underground river! There are a few options to choose from, but it's a one of a kind experience!

Because some people like to just go relax on a vacation... I know I do, and wouldn't mind going "all the way" to somewhere like Mexico to do that. I don't think the beaches in Florida are comparable to Mexico, from what I've researched. And for the western parts of the country, going to Mexico is closer than the Caribbean and possibly even Florida. So yeah, you do have a bit of the "you damn tourists" judgy attitude in your posts. This is the exact kind of "travel snobbery" that was discussed in the travel thread.

dragonstar, I don't have any recs because we are thinking of doing something similar, so thanks for posting this Also, Southwest has some Mexican destinations now, you can fly direct to Cancun from Denver I believe.

Ditto. If we go to a resort, we're looking to relax and not worry about anything. We can't get that in Florida. You still have to plan everything, pull out your wallet for every meal or drink, research where to eat/how to get there.

The Carribean is actually more expensive than Mexico (at least from here). So Mexico is always considered our "cheap relaxing trip." We can find a 7 day trip for under $2,500 at an all-inclusive in Mexico. We can't even go to Vegas for 4 days for that price.

Everyone travels differently. Some focus solely on R&R, others want to plan and experience every possibility and culture in the area. There's nothing wrong with either one.

Yup, I know if we go, my goal will be to sleep in, get up, have lunch and some cocktails, preferably by the ocean somewhere, take a nap, then get up, have dinner and some more cocktails, then go back to bed. All without having to pull out my wallet or really worry about anything other than not losing my room key so I don't have to go to the front desk/office to get a new one when I'm hammered :-D

That, quite frankly, sounds amazing.

I'm dying to get to Cozumel or Riviera Maya at some point for the diving. It's some of the best in the world. Keep us posted about where you book if you decide to go!

BlueBirdMB · January 2016

Listen folks, I'm out of this conversation. OP seemed to appreciate my recommendations especially since she is interested in the history. If no one else liked my advice, then that's fine. Those are my experiences and my recommendations. I'm sorry if I sounded snobby- that wasn't my intention. I adore that area of Mexico and I was simply giving my recommendations that I thought the OP would be interested in and recommendations that I think make for the most enjoyable experience in the area. If OP or any of you enjoy sitting in a resort, then that's fine. I'm not judging anyone who thinks of hanging on a beach as R&R.

I'm not trying to get anyone killed here- in fact, most people who go to that area of Mexico get a rental car specifically to do the things I mentioned, which are pretty normal tourist attractions, most of which are only a few miles from the resort areas. I didn't tell her to go wandering through the jungle of Mexico. In fact, to get to get to some of the towns she mentioned, she would need to get a car.

brij2006 · January 2016

If relaxation and all-inclusive is what you're going for, then here are some recommendations.

Get onto Apple Vacations' website. Click on their Deals and choose the airport you want to fly from, then look through the options they have on there for places. If you aren't picky, you can usually find a very reasonable trip.

They also have things called "Square Deals" where you choose where you go but don't know what resort you will be staying at until you get there. It's steeply discounted for this, but there are ones to be guaranteed to be a certain level of amenities. I personally don't go any lower than a 5 Apple Square Deal. If there are any deals that are 5 or 6 Golden Apple, those are superb. More expensive, but the resorts are amazing.

Funjet is also another good place to look for some deals.

Not sure what bone fishing is like in these areas, but you can usually find something reasonable to Jamaica and Dominican. Of course, if you want adults only, you will pay a higher premium. Me personally, I have stayed at both types of resorts. We will always splurge for the adults only.

hoffse · January 2016

BlueBirdMB said:

I was talking more about the area that she was suggesting to go, not the western part of Mexico. I'm not trying to be a snob by any means. It's just such a beautiful country and when people go to Cancun and don't see any other parts of it you could be anywhere with a nice beach (plenty of the islands and the Keys have beautiful beaches, but don't have other attractions just steps from the resorts that people miss). I also feel sad when I hear of people going to Cancun or Cozumel and complaining about how ugly it was and most people I know who have gone to those places have not enjoyed their experience.

I thought in the other thread people were talking about how others were snobby for assuming everyone could afford the luxury of traveling? I'm not talking about that at all. I realize that traveling is a luxury that not everyone can afford. These are simply my suggestions for an enjoyable experience in the area. I like sitting on a beach as much as the next person, which is why I have been to the area several times. If I'm coming off as snobby, I'm sorry about that.

It's hard not to get really excited when people are going to your favorite destination. I didn't think you sounded snobby, but it's OP's first time. The beach is a natural place to go for a first visit. The great thing about Mexico is how close it is, so OP can always return if she falls in love with it like you did.

FWIW I agree with you that there are parts of Florida that are probably just as beautiful when it comes to beaches. H and I live within a half day's drive of some of the best beaches on the Gulf, and it's made it hard for us to justify a tropical vacation anywhere else. Given that we can drive and pack a big cooler, our beach trips to FL are really budget-friendly. I haven't been to Mexico, but I would honestly be shocked if the beaches there were significantly better than where we go in FL. For our honeymoon in Jamaica, the beach wasn't nearly as nice.

We don't dive or fish, so I can't speak to that bit. I'm only talking beaches.

Still, if we ever want to do AI again we will have to leave the country. We're thinking of doing an AI next winter, because it's been 3 or 4 years since we've been to one. Mexico is on our short list for that for budget reasons, but also because I want to do a soft/easy visit to that country before we dive in head first. If we like it, I could definitely see us going back for something more immersive.

Xstatic3333 · January 2016

BlueBirdMB said:
Listen folks, I'm out of this conversation. OP seemed to appreciate my recommendations especially since she is interested in the history. If no one else liked my advice, then that's fine. Those are my experiences and my recommendations. I'm sorry if I sounded snobby- that wasn't my intention. I adore that area of Mexico and I was simply giving my recommendations that I thought the OP would be interested in and recommendations that I think make for the most enjoyable experience in the area. If OP or any of you enjoy sitting in a resort, then that's fine. I'm not judging anyone who thinks of hanging on a beach as R&R.
I'm not trying to get anyone killed here- in fact, most people who go to that area of Mexico get a rental car specifically to do the things I mentioned, which are pretty normal tourist attractions, most of which are only a few miles from the resort areas. I didn't tell her to go wandering through the jungle of Mexico. In fact, to get to get to some of the towns she mentioned, she would need to get a car.

I like hearing people's different approaches to travel, and you sound extremely knowledgable about this area. I wouldn't feel a need to exit the conversation. Even if OP is tied to certain areas for the fishing, I'm sure lots of us will head to that part of the world at some point and it's nice to learn new things about it.

hoffse · January 2016

Xstatic3333 said:

Listen folks, I'm out of this conversation. OP seemed to appreciate my recommendations especially since she is interested in the history. If no one else liked my advice, then that's fine. Those are my experiences and my recommendations. I'm sorry if I sounded snobby- that wasn't my intention. I adore that area of Mexico and I was simply giving my recommendations that I thought the OP would be interested in and recommendations that I think make for the most enjoyable experience in the area. If OP or any of you enjoy sitting in a resort, then that's fine. I'm not judging anyone who thinks of hanging on a beach as R&R.
I'm not trying to get anyone killed here- in fact, most people who go to that area of Mexico get a rental car specifically to do the things I mentioned, which are pretty normal tourist attractions, most of which are only a few miles from the resort areas. I didn't tell her to go wandering through the jungle of Mexico. In fact, to get to get to some of the towns she mentioned, she would need to get a car.
I like hearing people's different approaches to travel, and you sound extremely knowledgable about this area. I wouldn't feel a need to exit the conversation. Even if OP is tied to certain areas for the fishing, I'm sure lots of us will head to that part of the world at some point and it's nice to learn new things about it.

I agree. It's interesting to hear from somebody who has actually traveled the country more extensively than the beach. I think beach is great for a first visit (or second or third or....), but at some point I could see wanting to explore more in-depth. You seem to be the only person on this board who has done that.

My suggestion to the check the State Department's website is something I would say for any country that is experiencing turmoil or instability in certain regions. I would say it for a bunch of European countries right now, because many of them just don't know which end is up from a security standpoint. It certainly doesn't mean people shouldn't leave the tourist bubble, just that they need to be knowledgeable about where they are going.

Again, I didn't think you sounded snobby.

julieanne912 · January 2016

Xstatic3333 said:

Listen folks, I'm out of this conversation. OP seemed to appreciate my recommendations especially since she is interested in the history. If no one else liked my advice, then that's fine. Those are my experiences and my recommendations. I'm sorry if I sounded snobby- that wasn't my intention. I adore that area of Mexico and I was simply giving my recommendations that I thought the OP would be interested in and recommendations that I think make for the most enjoyable experience in the area. If OP or any of you enjoy sitting in a resort, then that's fine. I'm not judging anyone who thinks of hanging on a beach as R&R.
I'm not trying to get anyone killed here- in fact, most people who go to that area of Mexico get a rental car specifically to do the things I mentioned, which are pretty normal tourist attractions, most of which are only a few miles from the resort areas. I didn't tell her to go wandering through the jungle of Mexico. In fact, to get to get to some of the towns she mentioned, she would need to get a car.
I like hearing people's different approaches to travel, and you sound extremely knowledgable about this area. I wouldn't feel a need to exit the conversation. Even if OP is tied to certain areas for the fishing, I'm sure lots of us will head to that part of the world at some point and it's nice to learn new things about it.

Agreed. OP, your suggestions of off the beaten path things to do were not what I took offense to. The tone you had (at least how I was reading it) when talking about the touristy areas and resorts are what I did side eye, and felt the need to say something. I'm not sure why me mentioning that would make you want to leave the conversation though.

dragonstarjk · January 2016

Okay.....so this thread went a little crazy while I was away. Instead of addressing each comment, I'll just clarify:

To be perfectly honest, Mexico isn't even on my bucket list of places to visit. Not dissing Mexico at all, there's just a lot of other places that are a higher priority. I was looking for a relatively inexpensive place to go in the middle of February when temperatures where I live are lucky to get over 20 degrees and where H could fish. Therefore, the reason I asked for recommendations for where to go/where to stay, etc. We actually are also considering the Florida Keys because that IS an area I want to visit, but I've read that fishing is a lot more challenging there (less population). Also, I'd like to road trip the Keys, and I don't think that style would fit with our goals of a cheap winter getaway on a beach somewhere.

I do appreciate the recommendations as far as places that are maybe not so crowded. Akumal looks nice, and I like the suggestions for seeing different ruins. Chichen Itza looks awesome!

I am looking for an AI because when H and his buddy go off fishing for a whole day, I'm going to want to find stuff to do. I envision that stuff being laying on the beach, or in a hammock, or getting a massage, or eating a lot. Most of our vacations are spent exploring and seeing/doing as much as possible, but if I am essentially alone for one or two days (with the other girl that would be going, but still) then I probably won't be doing exploring/sightseeing during that time. We would probably set aside a 'together' day to go check out some ruins.

And, I also appreciate the mention of safety. I understand that it would be a sweeping generalization and unfair to refer to Mexico in general as unsafe. However, I just don't want to have to worry about it, and an AI seems like the easiest place to not worry about it.

So, to sum up--I want go somewhere that I can be lazy, pig out, and get some SUN in the middle of the long Wyoming winter, while H can go do his guy thing. Yes, it sounds like I'm a fat, lazy tourist, and for this trip I am okay with that--LOL

I love hearing all of the different perspectives and suggestions so thank you! If anybody else has additional places to suggest, keep 'em coming! I'm going to try out @brij's suggestion when I get off work.

short+sassy · January 2016

@BlueBirdMB, I am totally with you and was actually going to say the same thing about Cozumel and Playa Del Carmen.

I grew up 60 miles from the Mexican border...but on the Baja side. I used to love to pop down to Mexico for the day and Rosarito was THE place we all went for Spring Break when I was in college. But, back then, all you needed to worry about were pickpockets. On trips home now, I can't go back to my old haunts because it is no longer safe.

SO...a few years ago I had the opportunity to take a cheap cruise to Cozumel/Playa Del Carmen that left out of NOLA. (Nothing like taking a $10 cab ride to get to your ship!). I totally expected it to be the "tourist" version of Mexico, but figured it would still have authentic Mexican food and outdoor shopping bazaars like Rosarito and Tijuana. At least get a taste.

SO AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL. The beaches at Playa Del Carmen were mediocre, at best. For Cozumel, I would have had a better time just staying on the ship. It was like Disney had created an "Adventure Land" called Mexico. I can find much better and more authentic tasting Mexican food in NOLA...and that is saying something seriously pathetic. No cool shops or stands to go bargain hunting and looking for fun treasures. The kind of stores were big, commercialized emporium type places. Like Times Square with a little less neon. Haha, I would even say "like Times Square, but in Spanish", except that's not true because everything was in English.

Now, I didn't stay at a resort. Although it wouldn't be my cup of tea, I could certainly see the appeal of a beautiful resort...as long as it had way better beaches and way better views than the pathetic ones in Playa Del Carmen. But, for my two cents', Cozumel/Playa Del Carmen were both extremely unappealing places.

short+sassy · January 2016

Oops, after my tirade, I wanted to add that my H absolutely loves Puerto Vallarta. Though I personally have not been there.

It's gone now, but I guess there used to be a big wheel...like something you'd see at a carnival...in the customs area of the PV airport. And you would literally spin the wheel to see if you had to go through the customs search or just head on through. That was how they randomized customs searches, lol.

dragonstarjk · January 2016

short+sassy said:

Oops, after my tirade, I wanted to add that my H absolutely loves Puerto Vallarta. Though I personally have not been there.
It's gone now, but I guess there used to be a big wheel...like something you'd see at a carnival...in the customs area of the PV airport. And you would literally spin the wheel to see if you had to go through the customs search or just head on through. That was how they randomized customs searches, lol.

Haha!

jtmh2012 · January 2016

short+sassy said:

Oops, after my tirade, I wanted to add that my H absolutely loves Puerto Vallarta. Though I personally have not been there.
It's gone now, but I guess there used to be a big wheel...like something you'd see at a carnival...in the customs area of the PV airport. And you would literally spin the wheel to see if you had to go through the customs search or just head on through. That was how they randomized customs searches, lol.

Interesting. I went with friends to Ensenada and they'd been to Puerto Vallarta and Cabo and said they liked those less than Ensenada. And for what it's worth, I wasn't really impressed with Ensenada.

Love the big wheel thing though.

short+sassy · January 2016

jtmh2012 said:

short+sassy said:

Oops, after my tirade, I wanted to add that my H absolutely loves Puerto Vallarta. Though I personally have not been there.
It's gone now, but I guess there used to be a big wheel...like something you'd see at a carnival...in the customs area of the PV airport. And you would literally spin the wheel to see if you had to go through the customs search or just head on through. That was how they randomized customs searches, lol.

Interesting. I went with friends to Ensenada and they'd been to Puerto Vallarta and Cabo and said they liked those less than Ensenada. And for what it's worth, I wasn't really impressed with Ensenada.

Love the big wheel thing though.

I forgot I've been to Ensenada! It was 20 years ago (when I still lived in CA) and a stop on the first cruise I ever went on. It was a lot like how I described Rosarito Beach. Touristy sure, but still had a lot of the smaller mom/pop type restaurants and shops.

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