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MM Pet peeves

What are yours?

One of mine came up today... I'm in the process of buying books for my next round of classes only to discover that one professor has 1) assigned his own book that 2) costs $653 to get in print version.  It's just been published so there are no used copies.  Oh but I can save money by getting the Kindle version (that I can't make notes in) for... wait for it... only $452.

Ummm, no.

I emailed the dean and was like, "Are you aware of this?  Also, I'm going to take something else."  I'm not going to participate in that racket.

What is your MM pet peeve?
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Re: MM Pet peeves

  • I agree that using kids as a reason for someone should get special financial treatment is annoying as in, "Can you cover me since I have kid(s) and I cannot afford it otherwise (or if they expect special treatment)."

    Where it doesn't bother me is if it's just a run-of-the-mill comment such as, "Budgeting this month has been tough, since Billy knocked his front tooth out and we had extra bills - kids are sure expensive!!!" That doesn't bother me in the least.; it's pretty true. Insurance calls them "dependents" for a reason. Dependents = extra costs.

    Plus, the government gives tas credits per kid so clearly even the government sees kids as financial cost burdens to adults. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

    BUT, where it stops being okay is using kids as a free pass to live paycheck-to-paycheck, not plan for the future, and/or mooch off others.

    BTW, I have three kids six and under with a forth on the way so I feel qualified to comment on this as a MM parent.

    My own pet peeves are more general...

    it annoys me that people overspend and under save.

    Okay and I also don't like the Go Fund Me campaigns for people who didn't plan for disaster or heart ache. Caveat: I feel that it's okay for family to help financially if they choose. For example, DH's cousin and cousin's wife were in a car accident 3 years ago in which the wife died leaving three kids motherless. Dad worked full-time. Some family got together and gave some cash to him to help ease the transition. But I see that as different than public Facebook financial campaigns asking for money.

  • @hoffse  That's crappy! Good to hear you spoke up about it.

    My pet peeve list for the week:
    1. "We can't do that!  I have three kids and a husband!"  Followed by, "I had to pay ..."  When our good friend's had their first child, her H quit his job to stay at home.  She had the higher degree and higher earning potential.  Three kids later, he still stays home - ultimately saving them a good chunk of change.  However it pains me when she refers to how much she had to pay for everything.  She acts like because she gets the physical paycheck, it's all her money.

    2. H has a coworker that complains about not having money and owing on medical bills (their kiddo has been pretty sick this winter and in the hospital a few times) but he and his wife both eat out every work day (Monday - Friday).  H works at the corporate headquarters of his employer, which has a cafeteria.  It's convenient but not cheap to eat there daily.  H packs lunch 95% of the time.  They do have clients that come in and take them out to lunch pretty often. bur the client pays.  On average, H said his coworker spends around $10-15 each day.  So up to $75/week - double that if his wife spends the same.  I just couldn't spend that much on lunch - every day!
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  • Xstatic3333Xstatic3333 member
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    edited April 2016
    I totally agree with you, @MommyLiberty5013. Of course kids do cost more! When it bugs me is when the whining is related to getting special treatment at totally optional activities. Run of the mill comments are definitely no big deal. We all make them; I think a recently declined a couple of social events citing our car break-in expenses. I agree with you about the Go Fund Mes too, in most cases. When it is someone that passed away, it just makes me so sad that $20 a month in life insurance could have solved so many of the problems (assuming they were I durable, of course). There is a current situation, though, where a fireman in our friends' town is fighting cancer, and the town is rallying behind a GFM to help his (SAH) wife with expenses. That doesn't bother me. In general, though, I don't get why so much fundraising is now done through these silly websites that charge huge processing fees. ETA sorry for no paragraphs. Phone.
  • cbee817cbee817 member
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    edited April 2016
    Ugh, I used to hate that too @hoffse.  I really admired professors who did their best to keep things reasonable, whether by accepting older additions or choosing more affordable text.

    I have a recent MM pet peeve that H and I were just discussing.  I really hope it doesn't offend anyone, but I hate when people verbally use their children as a reason that they should get special financial treatment in optional social situations.  I'm going to a super reasonably priced bachelorette weekend in May, and in the email requesting my $100 contribution to the weekend, the MOH said "Please send the check as quickly as possible!  We have three kids and I only work part time."  I don't know this person at all, but it made me feel like my money was less valuable just because we don't have kids yet.  I was tempted to reply "Of course I will send the check as soon as possible, since that's the polite thing to do!  I have a dog."  

    The same thing happened last summer.  A couple we are friends with found out they were unable to join us on our Maine long weekend after the place had already been booked.  In their email they said, "If you could try to fill our spot we'd really appreciate it!  With the baby, every dollar counts."  They've taken two major vacations since then and just listed their house for 4x the value of ours.  None of which I judge-in fact it's all awesome!  Just don't blame the kid.  In both cases, the kids sentence could have been omitted and it wouldn't have bothered me at all.

    None of this applies to anyone here with kids.  You are all awesome and I've never heard anyone talk this way on this board.  I also only apply my pet peeve to optional, luxury activities.  Not cases where a family with kids hits a legitimate rough spot.
    I doubt she was saying that your money is less valuable because you don't have kids. She probably just doesn't want to end up paying for the entire bachelorette party bill. 

    I can't believe people still have bachelor(ette) parties... isn't the wedding enough? I guess that's my MM pet peeve!   :)  For the record, I did not have a bachelorette party (DH did not have a bachelor party) or a shower so maybe it's just me. 
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  • cbee817 said:
    Ugh, I used to hate that too @hoffse.  I really admired professors who did their best to keep things reasonable, whether by accepting older additions or choosing more affordable text.

    I have a recent MM pet peeve that H and I were just discussing.  I really hope it doesn't offend anyone, but I hate when people verbally use their children as a reason that they should get special financial treatment in optional social situations.  I'm going to a super reasonably priced bachelorette weekend in May, and in the email requesting my $100 contribution to the weekend, the MOH said "Please send the check as quickly as possible!  We have three kids and I only work part time."  I don't know this person at all, but it made me feel like my money was less valuable just because we don't have kids yet.  I was tempted to reply "Of course I will send the check as soon as possible, since that's the polite thing to do!  I have a dog."  

    The same thing happened last summer.  A couple we are friends with found out they were unable to join us on our Maine long weekend after the place had already been booked.  In their email they said, "If you could try to fill our spot we'd really appreciate it!  With the baby, every dollar counts."  They've taken two major vacations since then and just listed their house for 4x the value of ours.  None of which I judge-in fact it's all awesome!  Just don't blame the kid.  In both cases, the kids sentence could have been omitted and it wouldn't have bothered me at all.

    None of this applies to anyone here with kids.  You are all awesome and I've never heard anyone talk this way on this board.  I also only apply my pet peeve to optional, luxury activities.  Not cases where a family with kids hits a legitimate rough spot.
    I doubt she was saying that your money is less valuable because you don't have kids. She probably just doesn't want to end up paying for the entire bachelorette party bill. 

    I can't believe people still have bachelor(ette) parties... isn't the wedding enough? I guess that's my MM pet peeve!   :)  For the record, I did not have a bachelorette party (DH did not have a bachelor party) or a shower so maybe it's just me. 

    I hear ya. I was probably being over sensitive. My preference would have been "please send a check by _____." I'll try to hear these things differently in the future. I actually like BPs in general. This one will be awesome-hiking and kayaking by a big house in the woods. I have politely declined invites when it's way too pricy for me or not workable with my job schedule, but usually I enjoy them.
  • I too hate GoFundMe - 99% of the things people ask money for can be insured against with a little planning.

    My other pet peeve is when people say they are "poor" when they are really "temporarily broke". I've been broke and it's annoying, but I've never been legitimately POOR. I've never been concerned about how to keep the heat on or how I was going to get my next meal. I've heard friends say "ugh..I'm so poor" while standing in a bar holding a $15 cocktail. No, you are not poor....you're an idiot.

  • Oh the bachelorette party thing has gotten out of hand.  A co-worker of mine (good friend) privately told me he and his wife had to cancel their summer vacation plans because she is in a wedding that requires multiple trips to NYC and a bachelorette weekend in Napa/Sonoma.  The bride and his wife are college friends, and she didn't think it would turn into this when she agreed to be in the wedding.  Instead of dropping out, they are just paying for it out of their own vacation fund.  He hasn't talked about it much, but I know he's bummed out and frustrated.

    The gofundme things are a huge pet peeve of mine too.  I recently saw one for a local family.  Mom is a SAH, three kids, and dad randomly died in a car wreck.  It's really horrible.  But I kept thinking, how on earth do you not have life insurance with three kids?!  


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  • hoffse said:
    Oh the bachelorette party thing has gotten out of hand.  A co-worker of mine (good friend) privately told me he and his wife had to cancel their summer vacation plans because she is in a wedding that requires multiple trips to NYC and a bachelorette weekend in Napa/Sonoma.  The bride and his wife are college friends, and she didn't think it would turn into this when she agreed to be in the wedding.  Instead of dropping out, they are just paying for it out of their own vacation fund.  He hasn't talked about it much, but I know he's bummed out and frustrated.

    The gofundme things are a huge pet peeve of mine too.  I recently saw one for a local family.  Mom is a SAH, three kids, and dad randomly died in a car wreck.  It's really horrible.  But I kept thinking, how on earth do you not have life insurance with three kids?!  



    Yikes, that's freaking ridiculous! Napa? Yikes. For the wedding I'm in two BMs can't even go to the BP because of work and travel reasons and nobody minds. I just declined a very good friend's because it was in Austin and just the flights would have been around $600 RT. I don't begrudge her for having it-her bridal party is all over the country-but I just couldn't swing that much on a trip that H couldn't also be part of. Life insurance really needs to become more of a given and less of a luxury. I think expensive whole life policies have given it such a bad rap that many middle class families don't even consider it as an option.
  • emily1004emily1004 member
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    edited April 2016

    Gofundme, doesn't make me as mad as some of you have stated. At least it's a choice. You don't have to give anything. If someone wants to give, who are you to tell them how to spend their money? Would you like anyone telling you how to spend your money? My guess is No. Why haven't they planned? Maybe they never had anyone to teach them. Some of my greatest learning experiences were through mistakes.

  • emily1004 said:

    Gofundme, doesn't make me as mad as some of you have stated. At least it's a choice. You don't have to give anything. If someone wants to give, who are you to tell them how to spend their money? Would you like anyone telling you how to spend your money? My guess is No. Why haven't they planned? Maybe they never had anyone to teach them. Some of my greatest learning experiences were through mistakes.


    This x 1000. You don't know what you don't know, right? I think it's true for most people that they learn the most from mistakes and failures, financial or otherwise.

    As far as pet peeves, my biggest one is when people take zero ownership for poor financial decisions. This is fueled by my job, and I know that. But it's not the bank's fault that you're in foreclosure. It's not the bank's fault that you were charged an overdraft fee. It is not the bank's fault that you were turned down for a loan. Take responsibility for your financial decisions. Pay your mortgage and don't spend more than is available in your account. Sure, mistakes happen to even the most meticulous record keepers. But that doesn't absolve you from ownership of them.
  • emily1004 said:

    Gofundme, doesn't make me as mad as some of you have stated. At least it's a choice. You don't have to give anything. If someone wants to give, who are you to tell them how to spend their money? Would you like anyone telling you how to spend your money? My guess is No. Why haven't they planned? Maybe they never had anyone to teach them. Some of my greatest learning experiences were through mistakes.

    This.  My dad died young, and sort of unexpectedly. He had a brain hemorrhage in July and died in September.  He was self employed.  He had a good amount of life insurance thanks to my mom, but things were still really tight for my mom while he was sick, since life insurance isn't any good unless you die.  This was before the era of gofundme, but I wouldn't side eye someone starting one to help out with living expenses when in that "in between" time.  

    H also had a friend who was married with a very young baby, and he had a brain aneurysm and died, he was in his early 30s.  He had a little life insurance, enough for funeral expenses, but really not much else, so his wife and baby were left pretty broke.  He was a blue collar guy, so didn't make a lot of money, and probably didn't know how cheap extra life insurance was.  They had a gofundme to help out the wife and baby, and I didn't sideeye that one bit.  It wasn't the baby's fault that he didn't have more life insurance.
  • I will say, when I see gofundme's for ridiculous stuff, like a new set of boobs, or to help pay for a wedding, I definitely do a little eye rolling.
  • The Go Fund Me solicitations also irritate me. Most of the time, it's a situation where they haven't property prepared an appropriate financial foundation for their family or they're not seeking access to existing support programs. I'm biased, but my hospital provides hundreds of millions of dollars in charity care every year, with those who are truly poor never having to pay a dime. And those who lose a child there, even if they have insurance, never receive a bill. I don't think the general public knows that this is how most pediatric hospitals work. I get that moms and dads need gas money or cash to pay their household bills, but often this isn't portrayed as how the money is going to be spent. 

    People who don't take responsibility for their decisions and actions irritate me. Filing bankruptcy, or like my BIL, just completely failing to pay on his student loans completely. We all pay the price for behaviors like this. 

    And it's not so much a pet peeve, but I worry about those who can't seem to realize it's all the small things that are keeping them broke. Lunches out, daily Starbucks, mani/pedis, etc. it all adds up! I have a coworker like this who probably spends at least $10 a day on lunch. A few weeks ago she said she was cold so she went across the street and bought a new jacket. ??? I would have just asked around to see if anyone had something she could borrow.
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  • emily1004emily1004 member
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    edited April 2016

    Yes, I agree a boob job or a wedding Gofundme is absolutely ridiculous. But, as for people that die unexpectedly, you have to remember not everyone qualifies for life insurance.

    I will say this, and yes this does make me sound a little bit hypocritical, because I don't like people telling me what to do with my money (yes, I own that) But, it drives me nuts when I see parents enabling and bailing out their 30+ year old children time and time again financially. Their kids aren't learning anything from this.

  • csuave said:
    H and I both hate the Christmas car commercial where two neighbors are in their driveways on black Friday.  The one neighbor has lots of shopping bags and is like "I saved a lot at the sales.  It was hard work and I woke up early but worth it to save a couple of hundred."  The other neighbor is like "well I slept in and saved thousands on this new car."

    Apples and oranges people.  And saving thousands meant you spent thousands.  And I feel that the neighbor with the new car is being a little dismissive of the early morning shopping neighbor.  Getting up early for black Friday sales may not be for everyone but it is a legit way to be MM.

    (If I were the Black Friday shopping neighbor after the car comment) "Neat!  Congrats on your new car.  I saved $15K by buying mine a couple years used."

    Of course, that attitude is the opposite of what any car company is trying to advertise, lol.

  • csuave said:
    H and I both hate the Christmas car commercial where two neighbors are in their driveways on black Friday.  The one neighbor has lots of shopping bags and is like "I saved a lot at the sales.  It was hard work and I woke up early but worth it to save a couple of hundred."  The other neighbor is like "well I slept in and saved thousands on this new car."

    Apples and oranges people.  And saving thousands meant you spent thousands.  And I feel that the neighbor with the new car is being a little dismissive of the early morning shopping neighbor.  Getting up early for black Friday sales may not be for everyone but it is a legit way to be MM.

    (If I were the Black Friday shopping neighbor after the car comment) "Neat!  Congrats on your new car.  I saved $15K by buying mine a couple years used."

    Of course, that attitude is the opposite of what any car company is trying to advertise, lol.

    Lol, how true.  IRL I could see the shopping neighbor replying to the car neighbor "take your new car and shove it" or "F U."  Your response would be a lot more polite!

    Can you tell how much that car buying person in the commercial annoys me?!
  • emily1004 said:

    Gofundme, doesn't make me as mad as some of you have stated. At least it's a choice. You don't have to give anything. If someone wants to give, who are you to tell them how to spend their money? Would you like anyone telling you how to spend your money? My guess is No. Why haven't they planned? Maybe they never had anyone to teach them. Some of my greatest learning experiences were through mistakes.

    This.  My dad died young, and sort of unexpectedly. He had a brain hemorrhage in July and died in September.  He was self employed.  He had a good amount of life insurance thanks to my mom, but things were still really tight for my mom while he was sick, since life insurance isn't any good unless you die.  This was before the era of gofundme, but I wouldn't side eye someone starting one to help out with living expenses when in that "in between" time.  

    H also had a friend who was married with a very young baby, and he had a brain aneurysm and died, he was in his early 30s.  He had a little life insurance, enough for funeral expenses, but really not much else, so his wife and baby were left pretty broke.  He was a blue collar guy, so didn't make a lot of money, and probably didn't know how cheap extra life insurance was.  They had a gofundme to help out the wife and baby, and I didn't sideeye that one bit.  It wasn't the baby's fault that he didn't have more life insurance.
    Just to be clear, I'm not loving your story, that's devastating. I "love" and agree with what you wrote.
  • emily1004 said:

    Yes, I agree a boob job or a wedding Gofundme is absolutely ridiculous. But, as for people that die unexpectedly, you have to remember not everyone qualifies for life insurance.

    I think the other problem is you walk into an insurance agency, they want to see you life, home, auto, umbrella, etc, etc, etc.  And they tell you how vital all of it is.  You could easily spend your entire income buying insurance products and then people get overwhelmed.

    I've got an employer based policy that covers me to $200k and another $50k through the place where I get my home/auto insurance, but that's really about it.  However, it would pay off the house, and college is already taken care of due to my son's great grandmother being very generous.
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  • short+sassyshort+sassy member
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    edited April 2016

    Like some of you have mentioned, my biggest pet peeve is people who perpetually complain about money but do nothing to change their situation.  Like frivolously spending and/or not taking opportunities to earn more money.

    For example, I was talking to one of my coworkers and mentioned in passing one of my tenants is on Section 8 (housing assistance).  She told me her mother had mentioned she (my coworker) should look into Section 8 because she earns a low income and then asked me about it.  But here's the thing. late last year, I gave her a golden opportunity to earn an easy extra $400/month working a flexible 4 hours/week that she could do outside her f/t job.  Taking pictures of hotel event boards in the city she lives in.  Totally legit, not commissions/sales.  Plus she knows I've been working for the company in NOLA for the last three years.  Nope.  She wasn't interested.  I also sent her (after telling her about it) the link to sign up for a mystery shopping company that had 15-minute jobs for a $25 fee.  I would have grabbed them up myself, except the shopper needed to be under the age of 24.  Nope, she never signed up.

    (Warning, snarky) Or like my last horror tenants.  Husband didn't work because he could "only work 9-4" so he could take care of their kids before/after school.  Ummm...millions of two-income families with kids seem to be able to overcome that obstacle.  Couldn't pay their rent/bills...yet seemed to be able to come up with enough money every week to buy most of their meals from fast food places.  Because apparently he was much too busy streaming movies all day to ever clean the house or prepare nutritious meals for their, growing young children.  The wife had even run her own business before they moved to NOLA and he was supposed to take that over after she unexpectedly got a f/t job.  But he couldn't even be bothered to do that.

    As an aside, and granted this is more my personal opinion, but it also bothered me that they receive SSI disability payments for two of their children and basically use all of it for their living expenses...not for the specific needs of those children.  For example, they (twins) really needed speech lessons due to being born hard of hearing (which had been surgically corrected at the age of 4 or 5).  I didn't inquire but, in chit-chat, they'd mentioned wanting to take them to a speech therapist once they "got on their feet".  Um, excuse me?  I doubt a speech therapist would come anywhere close to being more than what you all receive from SSI.  But I could see (too late) that they never thought of that money as being for their children's benefit.  It was just magical, bonus money they got from the government. 


  • Like some of you have mentioned, my biggest pet peeve is people who perpetually complain about money but do nothing to change their situation.  Like frivolously spending and/or not taking opportunities to earn more money.

    For example, I was talking to one of my coworkers and mentioned in passing one of my tenants is on Section 8 (housing assistance).  She told me her mother had mentioned she (my coworker) should look into Section 8 because she earns a low income and then asked me about it.  But here's the thing. late last year, I gave her a golden opportunity to earn an easy extra $400/month working a flexible 4 hours/week that she could do outside her f/t job.  Taking pictures of hotel event boards in the city she lives in.  Totally legit, not commissions/sales.  Plus she knows I've been working for the company in NOLA for the last three years.  Nope.  She wasn't interested.  I also sent her (after telling her about it) the link to sign up for a mystery shopping company that had 15-minute jobs for a $25 fee.  I would have grabbed them up myself, except the shopper needed to be under the age of 24.  Nope, she never signed up.

    (Warning, snarky) Or like my last horror tenants.  Husband didn't work because he could "only work 9-4" so he could take care of their kids before/after school.  Ummm...millions of two-income families with kids seem to be able to overcome that obstacle.  Couldn't pay their rent/bills...yet seemed to be able to come up with enough money every week to buy most of their meals from fast food places.  Because apparently he was much too busy streaming movies all day to ever clean the house or prepare nutritious meals for their, growing young children.  The wife had even run her own business before they moved to NOLA and he was supposed to take that over after she unexpectedly got a f/t job.  But he couldn't even be bothered to do that.

    As an aside, and granted this is more my personal opinion, but it also bothered me that they receive SSI disability payments for two of their children and basically use all of it for their living expenses...not for the specific needs of those children.  For example, they (twins) really needed speech lessons due to being born hard of hearing (which had been surgically corrected at the age of 4 or 5).  I didn't inquire but, in chit-chat, they'd mentioned wanting to take them to a speech therapist once they "got on their feet".  Um, excuse me?  I doubt a speech therapist would come anywhere close to being more than what you all receive from SSI.  But I could see (too late) that they never thought of that money as being for their children's benefit.  It was just magical, bonus money they got from the government. 



    @formerlyGDaisy09 would know better than me and I'm not completely familiar with the state of LA, but regarding the kids' speech therapy, I'm guessing that's sheer laziness. If they qualify for section 8 housing, SSI disability, I'm guessing their children qualify for SCHIP (essentially Medicaid) and that care should be available for either free or at a very low cost. Again, even if they don't qualify, most children's hospitals offer some sort of charity care.
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  • I personally like bachelorette parties but that could very well be because I'm a mom now and never really go out much so a girls night sounds like a blast ;)  
  • @als1982, these particular tenants didn't get housing assistance (those are different tenants I currently have), but you make a good point about Medicaid.  I know their kids were on Medicaid because mail from that program came after they bailed.

    Hah!  The plot thickens.  I'm sure they knew full well they could get free/low cost speech therapy and probably just made the "poor us" comment for my benefit.

    Granted, I'm not a parent, but of all things in people's lives that they should show the least laziness about and most responsibility with...it's their children.  It was really sad.  Although they were 6-year-olds, they sounded more like toddlers because they couldn't pronounce words very well.  Obviously not a fan of their parents, but the kids were so sweet and polite.  I hated knowing they weren't getting the care they need, especially during such formative years.    

  • vlagrl35 said:
    I personally like bachelorette parties but that could very well be because I'm a mom now and never really go out much so a girls night sounds like a blast ;)  

    I'm with you!  I always love a girls night out.  And, while I wouldn't even be opposed to a destination bachelorette party, I can see where that can sometimes get a little too crazy cost-wise.

    I still laugh (not in a bad way) that...despite NOLA being a classic destination bach party locale...one of my friends had her bach party at the MS Gulf Coast.  I guess, even when you live in a party town, it's fun to have a girl's trip elsewhere.

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