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Chase Freedom points

I just got my $150 sign up bonus for the Chase Freedom Unlimited card I opened up a few months ago.  This is the card that has 1.5% cashback as the main earning feature.  Normally I just request a check or deposit for the cash.  Does anyone know if there are rewards with this card that offer greater value?  Perhaps travel rewards?  If there is a way to get more than $150 worth out of my $150 then I'm open to it.

Re: Chase Freedom points

  • hoffsehoffse member
    Sixth Anniversary 2500 Comments 500 Love Its Name Dropper
    edited February 2017
    You have to have one of their premium cards to get better rewards, but the answer to your question is yes it is possible.


    There are 6 chase cards that earn ultimate rewards - Freedom, Freedom Unlimited, Ink business preferred, Ink cash, Sapphire Plus, Sapphire Reserve.  You can pool points from all of these cards into a single account.


    The best card on the redemption side is the Sapphire reserve.  It converts your points to 1.5 cents per point when redeemed for travel.  Mathematically this means your Freedom Unlimited card yields 2.25% back if you have a sapphire reserve card, transfer points to that account, and then redeem for travel.


    The other way to get higher value is by having one of the premium cards that allows you to transfer points directly to an airline or hotel chain.  I routinely get more than 2 cents per point through this method, but this method is subject to blackout dates, limited availability, etc.


    Between us, H and I have 2 freedoms, a freedom unlimited, a sapphire reserve, and an ink cash.  We earn about 10k points per month without breaking a sweat.  All of our points funnel into the sapphire reserve account.


    The sapphire reserve is the most expensive card on the list.  It's $450/year with a $300/year travel credit (so $150 net cost).  It comes with things like lounge access, etc.  H and I travel enough to make that worth it for us, but it's very much a YMMV thing.


    The sapphire preferred and ink business preferred are also premium cards in that you can transfer points to travel partners, and they cost $95/year.  However, the redemption when booking travel directly with chase is a bit lower than the sapphire reserve, and the soft perks aren't as good.  We are happy to pay the extra $55 for lounges, better trip insurance, etc., because we actually use them.
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  • Sorry. my line breaks are jacked.  No idea.
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  • The other thing I should mention is chase imposes a rule called 5/24.  It means they will not extend you credit if you have opened more than 5 cards from any issuer in the previous 24 months.  So if you get into churning, you really have to hit chase first, start with the cards with the highest bonus, and then work your way down.  H and I are light churners, and we alternate years so that one of us is always close to having space available within the 5/24 rule.  Chase's cards are really the best, and they keep coming out with new products with insane bonuses.
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  • @hoffse how does the lounge benefit work?  I could see this being a huge perk for H, who will likely do a lot more business travel since he's started his own consulting and training company.  However, he'll be primarily flying Southwest.  Would he be able to use another airline's lounge if we had this card?
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  • als1982 said:
    @hoffse how does the lounge benefit work?  I could see this being a huge perk for H, who will likely do a lot more business travel since he's started his own consulting and training company.  However, he'll be primarily flying Southwest.  Would he be able to use another airline's lounge if we had this card?
    It's through priority pass, so you don't have to be tied to any specific airline.  We have found priority pass lounges to be OK in the US - not spectacular, but OK - and excellent abroad.  For instance, the one in the Toronto airport serves legit food.  We had a great stir fry dinner there en route to the Netherlands.  But I have never encountered more than basic snacks in the US PP lounges.  Most of them do have bars with free alcohol though, even the US ones.

    For us the big appeal is that it's not affiliated with an airline and quality abroad is good.  We tend to take early flights home from Europe, often before restaurants open, and the lounge serves as a good backup if we can't find breakfast elsewhere.

    If one of us was a true domestic road warrior we would make sure to have access to AmEx and Delta lounges too since we often fly out of Atlanta.  Their lounges are higher quality in the US than PP.  But we actually travel by plane internationally more than domestically, so PP alone has been fine for us.
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  • @als I should have mentioned, that card allows you to transfer points directly to southwest.  You get 3x points for travel and restaurants, both of which are broadly defined.  1x points on everything else.  The bonus categories also code correctly when outside of the US, which is NOT typical of most cards.

    But yeah, if he is flying southwest anyway and putting a lot of travel expenses on his card, that could be a good deal for you guys.  The points transfer to southwest 1:1.  I've done it a bunch of times - I actually haven't paid for a southwest flight in the last two years...

    It also has primary car rental insurance and pretty decent trip insurance for delays, lost bags, etc.  I have stopped buying the CDW insurance for car rentals, and I have stopped paying for trip insurance since getting that card.  That savings alone has more than paid for the annual fee for us.
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  • hoffse said:
    als1982 said:
    @hoffse how does the lounge benefit work?  I could see this being a huge perk for H, who will likely do a lot more business travel since he's started his own consulting and training company.  However, he'll be primarily flying Southwest.  Would he be able to use another airline's lounge if we had this card?
    It's through priority pass, so you don't have to be tied to any specific airline.  We have found priority pass lounges to be OK in the US - not spectacular, but OK - and excellent abroad.  For instance, the one in the Toronto airport serves legit food.  We had a great stir fry dinner there en route to the Netherlands.  But I have never encountered more than basic snacks in the US PP lounges.  Most of them do have bars with free alcohol though, even the US ones.

    For us the big appeal is that it's not affiliated with an airline and quality abroad is good.  We tend to take early flights home from Europe, often before restaurants open, and the lounge serves as a good backup if we can't find breakfast elsewhere.

    If one of us was a true domestic road warrior we would make sure to have access to AmEx and Delta lounges too since we often fly out of Atlanta.  Their lounges are higher quality in the US than PP.  But we actually travel by plane internationally more than domestically, so PP alone has been fine for us.
    Good to know.  He would only be utilizing lounge access in the US, but even without full amenities, just having a more welcoming place with free coffee and wifi would be worth it.
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  • hoffse said:
    @als I should have mentioned, that card allows you to transfer points directly to southwest.  You get 3x points for travel and restaurants, both of which are broadly defined.  1x points on everything else.  The bonus categories also code correctly when outside of the US, which is NOT typical of most cards.

    But yeah, if he is flying southwest anyway and putting a lot of travel expenses on his card, that could be a good deal for you guys.  The points transfer to southwest 1:1.  I've done it a bunch of times - I actually haven't paid for a southwest flight in the last two years...

    It also has primary car rental insurance and pretty decent trip insurance for delays, lost bags, etc.  I have stopped buying the CDW insurance for car rentals, and I have stopped paying for trip insurance since getting that card.  That savings alone has more than paid for the annual fee for us.
    This may be something to consider.  We're on track to renew our Companion Pass for 2017/2018 in Q2, so we should probably look at diverting our spends to earning hotel points.
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  • Thanks for an easy to understand explanation @hoffse.  You could blog about this stuff!
    I don't see the benefit right now for us to get the Sapphire but possibly in the future.  It sounds like if I let my $150 hang out in my account and then in the future I get the Sapphire I can pool the points and then my $150 will be worth more when redeemed for travel?
  • hoffsehoffse member
    Sixth Anniversary 2500 Comments 500 Love Its Name Dropper
    edited February 2017

    Yeah, we have been aiming more toward hotel points recently as well.  Ever since I got into Scott's Cheap Flights, I haven't had a strong reason to use points for airlines.

    The chase points also transfer to Hyatt, and we have had very good success with that.  Hyatts can be found for as low as 5,000 points/night, and a lot of them have a points+cash option so you only need like 2,500 points + $50 or whatever.  Andaz is part of the Hyatt chain, so the Hyatt points usually work there too.  

    The starwood AmEx card is king for hotel points, though things are super unclear at the moment with the Starwood-Marriott merger.  I have also heard rumors that Starwood is going to become a transfer partner with chase and/or chase will be introducing a new starwood card in 2017.  I think if AmEx loses starwood (after losing both Costco and Fidelity in 2016) they're going to really struggle.  Anyway, the rumors are intriguing, and I'm waiting for that to shake out before burning a 5/24 spot on the AmEx starwood card.
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  • csuave said:
    Thanks for an easy to understand explanation @hoffse.  You could blog about this stuff!
    I don't see the benefit right now for us to get the Sapphire but possibly in the future.  It sounds like if I let my $150 hang out in my account and then in the future I get the Sapphire I can pool the points and then my $150 will be worth more when redeemed for travel?
    No problem!  And yes, you can hang onto the points.  They don't expire.
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  • csuave said:
    Thanks for an easy to understand explanation @hoffse.  You could blog about this stuff!
    I don't see the benefit right now for us to get the Sapphire but possibly in the future.  It sounds like if I let my $150 hang out in my account and then in the future I get the Sapphire I can pool the points and then my $150 will be worth more when redeemed for travel?

    @hoffse is definitely the Queen of 'cc points and especially knowledgeable about Chase :).
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