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NMR: Flowering groundcover instead of mowing?

Our backyard is hard to mow because of surface tree roots.  I'm thinking of seeding the whole lawn with a low-growing flowering groundcover and not mowing.  Do you think the neighbors will look at us askance?  One side borders the street, and you can clearly see over the fence.  Would this bug you?  (There's no HOA or anything).  Here's a link to what I'm thinking of using...should grow 4- 6" max.

http://www.mmwildflowerseeds.com/prod61.htm

 

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  • We are planting dutch white clover in our yard.  It does not need to be mowed and the dogs won't kill it by peeing on the yard.  It also does not need much water and can be grown in difficult soil.  I don't think you need to have a grass yard.
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  • It looks pretty.  I love that the website has MM in it, too.  Geeked  My only concern would be how easy it is to walk across, play on, etc. and how durable it is.  Maybe it would look nice to incorporate a patio or have part still with grass or stepping stones through it or something?
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  • That is all fine and dandy when it is blooming, but what does it look like when it isn't?  Is your yard going to turn into a dirt pit during the fall, winter, and early spring?  Is this something you are going to have to re-plant every year?  Do you really think that harsh Philadelphia winters won't kill off all the plants (even though they say they are perennials)?  Also how will your neighbors react if/when the flowers spread into their yards? 

    Are the roots all over your yard, or could the problem be taken care of with some strategically placed flower beds?

    Have you considered nixing a lawn all together and putting down paving stones or decking?  I know that will cost significantly more, but it might be worth it.

  • Good idea! ?DH's friends have just clover and honestly it looks like they just don't care and let things go, but with the flowers it looks really pretty.
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  • Do leaves fall in that area?  How would leaf clean up work? 

     

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  • I am all for grass alternatives - generally need less water and chemicals. ?The prettiest area of my yard right now is the verbena taking over my flower beds - I love it - so little weeding in those areas!

    Thanks for the website!?

  • Aprilandshane -- I do have a slate patio.  I emailed the lady who runs the site and told her we had a baby who would be playing back there when he can walk and also my climate and the backyard being part shade, and she still recommended it, so hopefully it is fairly durable.  I'm planning to seed it in with the current grass...not sure if that will work or not, but hopefully I'll end up with a mix.
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  • I know of a ground cover that does grow well around here but I can't remember what it's called....let me ask my MIL.  I'll get back to you.
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  • I'd be annoyed....it would look like a bunch of weeds to me.  If you planted flowering shrubs or perennials in a nice arrangement I would think it was ok.

    I'd be even more annoyed if you planted wild flowers that seeded and I ended up with a bunch in my lawn Hmm

  • That is all fine and dandy when it is blooming, but what does it look like when it isn't? Is your yard going to turn into a dirt pit during the fall, winter, and early spring? 

     Hmmm...I don't know.  You do mow it once in the fall to re-seed.  I'm not going to pull up the current grass, just hoping this will mix in.  Right now there's a spot of just wood much where the big playset the previous owners had used to be, so it's not like I'd be replacing a pristine lawn anyway.  Do you think it would look much worse than dead grass in winter?

    Is this something you are going to have to re-plant every year?  Do you really think that harsh Philadelphia winters won't kill off all the plants (even though they say they are perennials)? 

     I spoke to the owner of the website, and she said the plants are recommended for my climate (she will do a custom mix if your climate is not suitable).  The ones that are perennials should self-sow when we mow for the next year.  I don't think it'll be any different from the Black-eyed Susans we currently have in some areas of our lawn, which die off each winter and self-sow and return each spring.

    Also how will your neighbors react if/when the flowers spread into their yards? 

    I don't see this as a big concern...one side borders the street, another a complete privacy fence, and the third has a large hedge between us and the neighbors.  Birds could drop seeds, but otherwise I don't think they'd spread that easily.

    Are the roots all over your yard, or could the problem be taken care of with some strategically placed flower beds?

    They are pretty much all over.

    Have you considered nixing a lawn all together and putting down paving stones or decking?  I know that will cost significantly more, but it might be worth it

    Part of the lawn is a patio...I wouldn't want to get rid of the lawn totally.

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  • Make sure it doesn't have issues with spreading to your neighbors first and then check with your city -- our city is anal.  We have tons of goofy laws here and I'm sure it wouldn't fly.
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  • Personally, I think it looks a tad messy, but that's just me. I do like the idea of not having a lawn because they use sooo much water!

     http://www.gardenguide.com.au/l104-0/cottagecountry-style-plants/ground-covers

    This link has some pretty groundcovers that stay low and have pretty flowers. Hope it helps!

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  • How are the wildflowers going to look in the fall before snow comes and covers?  A lot of wildflowers turn brown early and it doesn't look attractive over a large area.
  • I think this is cute, it's called Phyla nodiflora - and it chokes out weeds and grasses. It would take over eventually!

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    How are the wildflowers going to look in the fall before snow comes and covers?  A lot of wildflowers turn brown early and it doesn't look attractive over a large area.

    You mow it in the fall.  Not sure how it would look, but if it's mixed in with the grass I don't expect it would look much worse than the grass itself?

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  • OK... so let me just ask.  You are going to sprinkle the seeds on the grass.  I know that the type of flowers in the mix won't be thick enough to choke out the grass for some time, so the grass will continue to grow.  What are you going to do when the grass starts to overgrow the flowers?

  • I hate lawn grass and love flowered/alternative/garden lawns.

    If DH is cool with it, I wouldn't worry what anyone else thinks.  Sadly, my DH likes grass a lot... I'm going to have to leave him some space the stuff.  But it is so going to be his job to take care of it.  Tongue Tied 

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    I'd be annoyed....it would look like a bunch of weeds to me.  If you planted flowering shrubs or perennials in a nice arrangement I would think it was ok.

    I'd be even more annoyed if you planted wild flowers that seeded and I ended up with a bunch in my lawn Hmm

     Sorry OP, but I have to agree with hawaii.  I think that it looks like weeds... but I am also partial to the look of grass in general!  Sorry, JMO.

  • I don't like plain grass lawns, so I think it's very nice.

    And you can just claim "it's better for the environment" if anyone complains. Because it is - less chemicals, less mowing, less water. Lawns are a pretty stupid invention compared to a more mixed grassy area.

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    I'd be annoyed....it would look like a bunch of weeds to me.  If you planted flowering shrubs or perennials in a nice arrangement I would think it was ok.

    I'd be even more annoyed if you planted wild flowers that seeded and I ended up with a bunch in my lawn Hmm

     Sorry OP, but I have to agree with hawaii.  I think that it looks like weeds... but I am also partial to the look of grass in general!  Sorry, JMO.

    Ditto.  But then again, I can't come up with any better suggestions, either.

  • I tried that in a past house and it wasn't a good fit for me. I'd like us to do periwinkle when we buy.
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    I'd be annoyed....it would look like a bunch of weeds to me.  If you planted flowering shrubs or perennials in a nice arrangement I would think it was ok.

    I'd be even more annoyed if you planted wild flowers that seeded and I ended up with a bunch in my lawn Hmm

     Sorry OP, but I have to agree with hawaii.  I think that it looks like weeds... but I am also partial to the look of grass in general!  Sorry, JMO.

    Ditto.  But then again, I can't come up with any better suggestions, either.

    I get annoyed when your grass seeds and roots spread into my yard. And I really get upset when your chemicals and fertilizers get into the water supply, river courses, aquifer. And when you plant grass that isn't native and requires too much water. So I would love to see more people move to non-grass lawns. In my area people do unmowed native grasses, thyme, phlox and plumbago lawns. I have a wilflower meadow for a lawn. Never needs mowing. Very low maintenance.
  • I love "no mow" lawn alternatives...but the possibility that it will grow up to 6" seems a bit tall for a lawn replacement and having a mix of flowers might make it seem a bit messy.

    This is one of my favorite sites that might offer some other options for you: http://www.stepables.com/scripts/prodlist-plants.asp?idLookUp=31

    This is one of my favorite groundcover options - I think picking one spreading groundcover would give the "lawn" a more uniform look, especially if the leaves are attractive/decorative without flowers: http://www.stepables.com/5/Leptinella_gruveri_Miniature_Brass_Buttons.html

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  • Having lived in the Midwest most of my life, most of the flowers will not be a problem.  Just make sure that the cone flowers are the short versions instead of the normal 12 to 16" versions.  Most of the others that I saw in the list gets only 3 to 5" tall.  I also love this idea and once we get rid of the trees in our yard we might do this in some areas.  All of our trees are located in the wrong place, too close to the house or fence and two of them are to get to 80' tall which would knock out at least two homes.

    As for the ones on here that love short grass, you do realize that having grass cut less than 3" during cool weather and 4" during hot dry weather actually does more harm to the grass than having flowers.

  • Eh it would bug me too.  I don't mind contained flowerbeds, shrubs, mulch, pinestraw, etc. instead of grass - that's fine.  But a flower covering that seeds and then moves to your neighbors' yard?  Yeah, that would seriously piss me off, if I'm being 100% honest.

    And I do think it looks pretty messy from an aesthetic standpoint.

    To be honest, I probably would not buy a house with a yard like that.  And I definitely would not buy a house NEXT to somebody with a yard like that (because I couldn't change it). This is just a personal preference, but I'm being fully honest.  Granted, H and I will have a budget that allows us to be a bit picky when we're looking to buy... but there are some things that just don't fly for me, and neighbors with messy yards or bizarre colored houses, etc. are some of those things.  I don't want to look at it whenever I walk outside, so I won't buy there.  Others might feel similarly, so it's something to consider before you take the plunge.

    On the other hand, it's your property.  And if you like it, then I suppose your neighbors will just have to deal with it if it's not to their taste.
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  • Wow... this thread is like 5 years old.  I hate it when I don't notice that.
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  • yeah....always look at the year
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