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What is your most controversial belief?

I was reading this article today about Gates Foundation donating $10B to vaccine research and distribution.  It really warms my heart.  I love hearing about the superwealthy making big charitable contributions, especially when children get the benefit.

On the other hand, I have a strong belief that this comes into direct conflict with.  I believe...the world is overpopulated with humans.  I believe that nature finds ways to correct the balance through disease.

I know that my belief is controversial, so I don't usually discuss it.  It implies that I don't care about people who are suffering and dying.  I do care very much.  On an individual basis, it makes me very sad and I always send my genuine thoughts and prayers.  Yet, when I look at the big picture of how humans are depleating and destroying the planet and the population density of our species versus other species, it seems like the planet is sick and infested with humans.  Weird way to think about it, I know.

And don't get me started on the Duggars, the Jon and Kates and the Octomom!

So, be it political, spiritual, philosopical, environmental ...what is your most controversial belief?

And we will all be fair and have an open mind without flaming, although intellectual discussion is allowed.

or flame me...if you want Stick out tongue

Re: What is your most controversial belief?

  • I believe that abortion should remain a womans choice, and should still remain to be a safe option.

    There are many circumstances that can arise in a person life, or how a pregnancy came to be. A woman should be able to make that choice with out the governemtn breathing down her neck or making it illegale (again) and forcing people into back alley procedures)

    I dont believe it should be used as a form of birth control....

    I have had this belief froma very young age. I made a girl cry in speach in debate over this issue Embarrassed 

  • I don't have time to write entire paragraphs right now, so I'm just going to "blurt" mine out. My controversial beliefs actually contradict one another:

    1. I do NOT believe/support abortion but.......

     2. I DO believe/support the death penalty.

    Just my personal belief/opinion, I've never tried to convince anyone to agree with me.   ::ready for flames:: LOL

  • Abortion.  While I believe a woman should have the choice, it is also not and should never be used as a form of birth control.  I went to school with a girl, and also knew another girl who had them quite often and it disgusted me.  One of them now has 2 kids and that pisses me off thinking about all the other ones she's "killed". However I also realized such things as rape can happen and a woman shouldn't have to keep something that will remind her for the next 9 months of what happened to her.

    Flame me if you want, but that's how I feel about it.

  • Ooh, this is good.

    Abortion and the death penalty actually fit into my controversial belief.  I am for both of these.  Am I happier with giving a baby up for adoption? Yes.  I'm not a fan of an eye for an eye, but some people who commit heinous crimes are evil and should be exterminated.

    And I wanted to add that one might argue that as a correlation, I would be "for infertility."  I am not.  I think that medical science and it's triumphs exist for a reason and I'm intensely in favor of further research into improving our health in all areas.  I think that one of our prime directives as living creatures (human or not) is to reproduce.  But I am not for people having many, many children.  I am very much against that.  Replace yourself.  Replace your partner.  Have a third or fourth.  Why have 17???? 

  • I seem to have a lot which is why I rarely, if ever discuss these opinions because I don't like to catch hell for my feelings. 

    1. I don't believe in God but i do believe in natural selection and population control.
    2. I don't care what a woman does to her body.  I don't have a right to tell someone that they can or cannot abort a child that they created.  Yes, there are many people out there that would love to adopt or that can't conceive children (I am one of them myself) but I don't believe that anyone else has any right to discuss what takes place inside a womans uterus.
    3. I don't believe in welfare and the abuse of it sickens me.
    4. I would like to see an eye for an eye brought back.  Far too many people get away with things with a slap on the wrist.  I feel like people would truly second think crimes if there were more punishment involved.
    5. Global warming is a crock.

     

  • I read an article once several years ago that the AVERAGE woman in China has 40 abortions in her life.  This is because they are only allowed to have one child by law.  40.  This number was so high due to the fact that birth control was not widely available and prostitutes were having several abortions a year.  I wonder what it's like now; if that is still "true."

  • I believe a woman has the right to choose.? Personally, I never could have an abortion.? It does disgust me when people use it as a form of birth control; but I do understand when some women have one though.? I really wish there was more education regarding the impact abortion can have on one?s psyche though.? I don?t think people realize the emotional devastation it can have for (some) women. ? I believe in God and/or a form of afterlife.? I do not believe much of what the church believes though; however we do attend church.? I view it as a reflection time.? I do not believe there is a divine being that is picking who gets things like cancer, or who dies in an accident.? I just believe in SOMETHING, even if it?s just a form of ever-existing love.? I think a lot of it has to do with where I work.? You see a lot of unexplainable stuff when you work with the dying.? I also believe in fate; and that everything happens for some reason, even if its not some pre determined reason.? ? I believe our government hides huge secrets from the majority of the population.?? I believe that if we knew some of the things they knew, we would be terrified.? ? This is a personal belief: That I would be far more happier if life was like it was in the 50?s, where I could stay home and never be expected to work.? Like I said, purely personal though.
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  • Damn you iTouch! Those were 4 numbered thoughts, not one huge paragraph!
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  • I'm very pro-choice. How dare the government (or anyone else) tell a woman what to do with her body. While adoption may seem like a better choice, it is definitely NOT the best choice in all, if not most cases. Think of all the foster children who are sexually, verbally, physically abused, tossed from home to home like yesterday's garbage and never in their lives feel truly loved. So very many kids are adopted in hordes just so the twisted "parents" can collect money on them. IMO, that is NOT a life and a fate worse than death. Also, I think people need to stop ignoring American babies when it comes to adoption. Adopting a foreign baby simply for the novelty makes me sick. And if the Duggars truly loved God and wanted to make the world a better place, they would adopt the forgotten children of the world instead of uselessly overpopulating it.
  • imageOo KrisTy oO:
    I'm very pro-choice. How dare the government (or anyone else) tell a woman what to do with her body. While adoption may seem like a better choice, it is definitely NOT the best choice in all, if not most cases. Think of all the foster children who are sexually, verbally, physically abused, tossed from home to home like yesterday's garbage and never in their lives feel truly loved. So very many kids are adopted in hordes just so the twisted "parents" can collect money on them. IMO, that is NOT a life and a fate worse than death. Also, I think people need to stop ignoring American babies when it comes to adoption. Adopting a foreign baby simply for the novelty makes me sick. And if the Duggars truly loved God and wanted to make the world a better place, they would adopt the forgotten children of the world instead of uselessly overpopulating it.
    Out of curiosity, do you really think that aside from the brangelinas of the world, that many adopt foreign children for the novelty factor? I guess in what I've encountered many people don't adopt domestically bc of the lack of infants as well as the fear of birth mothers changing their mind.
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    imageOo KrisTy oO:
    I'm very pro-choice. How dare the government (or anyone else) tell a woman what to do with her body. While adoption may seem like a better choice, it is definitely NOT the best choice in all, if not most cases. Think of all the foster children who are sexually, verbally, physically abused, tossed from home to home like yesterday's garbage and never in their lives feel truly loved. So very many kids are adopted in hordes just so the twisted "parents" can collect money on them. IMO, that is NOT a life and a fate worse than death. Also, I think people need to stop ignoring American babies when it comes to adoption. Adopting a foreign baby simply for the novelty makes me sick. And if the Duggars truly loved God and wanted to make the world a better place, they would adopt the forgotten children of the world instead of uselessly overpopulating it.
    Out of curiosity, do you really think that aside from the brangelinas of the world, that many adopt foreign children for the novelty factor? I guess in what I've encountered many people don't adopt domestically bc of the lack of infants as well as the fear of birth mothers changing their mind.

     

    ::butting in:: Add expense to that list of domestic adoptions.  It is much more expensive to adopt in the US than outside. 

    ::butting out::

  • 1. I am pro-choice and pro death penalty.

    2.  I have large issues with organized religion.

    3.  I believe that welfare should have a time limit like unemployment does and both should require you to take a drug test randomly.  In contradiction to my pro- choice stance I believe that if you are on welfare you should have a norplant/IUD inserted until you are back on your feet.

    4. I firmly believe in my 2nd Amendment right.

    5. I am pissed off that I was not deployed to Iraq even though I know that I would not be the same person I am now.

    6. Affirmitive Action ticks me off.

     

  • oh and add to that I have severe mixed emotions about the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy.  While I am a firm believer in Equality and sexual orientation should never matter.  I fear for anyone who would be openly gay and serving in the military.   Not only through hate crimes against them but through policy picking as well. Under the UCMJ you can be punished for having sex in any other position then missionary.  To me it would be like the Salem witch trials for them.
  • imageKarrey31:

    Out of curiosity, do you really think that aside from the brangelinas of the world, that many adopt foreign children for the novelty factor? I guess in what I've encountered many people don't adopt domestically bc of the lack of infants as well as the fear of birth mothers changing their mind.
     

    ::butting in:: Add expense to that list of domestic adoptions.  It is much more expensive to adopt in the US than outside. 

    ::butting out::

    I'm sure part of the expense is an effort to try to avoid all the abuse/nonsense that goes on! I agree it's pretty ridiculous that you have to 'buy' a child if all you want to do is give it a loving home. I know there are plenty of wonderful families out there, I'm just saying that novelty chasers exist and brangelina is not helping. I also don't understand why so many horrible foster parents go unchecked and RECEIVE money when they are basically temporarily adopting that child, but to actually adopt it you have to go through a mess, financially & emotionally. And the lack of available infants brings up another controversial question: if someone is so very desperate for a child, why not adopt an older one, the ones who are most in need of quality care, and avoid the heartache of a birth mother changing her mind?

  • Hi ladies, I have been so crazy at work that I haven't had a chance to really post just read, but I did want to get in on this one. 

    I strongly support a women's right to chose and more importatnly her right to obtain birth control in any circumstance.  As a part of that, I also believe in teaching sex education in schools, and I do not believe that abstinence only education works.  I vehemently support Planned Parenthood and their mission that every child brought into this world should be a wanted one and to advance the right and ability of individuals and families to make informed and responsible choices. I would LOVE to live in a world where women never have to make that choice and believe this can be achieved thorugh advances in empowerment and education for both men and women.  I am also a Christian so this position has made it very difficult to be a part of any organized religion in quite some time (ie going to church) because it is in direct oppostion of most all Christian organizations and honestly I am made to feel like a hypocrite. 

    I also support the death penalty, think that people on welfare should be drug tested, and that women on welfare be on b/c such as an IUD. I also don't understand how environmentalism became a divisive political issue, I would think that everyone would want to take care of the planet that we live in and ensure clean water and land for future generatoins.

  • imageOo KrisTy oO:
    imageKarrey31:

    Out of curiosity, do you really think that aside from the brangelinas of the world, that many adopt foreign children for the novelty factor? I guess in what I've encountered many people don't adopt domestically bc of the lack of infants as well as the fear of birth mothers changing their mind.
     

    ::butting in:: Add expense to that list of domestic adoptions.  It is much more expensive to adopt in the US than outside. 

    ::butting out::

    I'm sure part of the expense is an effort to try to avoid all the abuse/nonsense that goes on! I agree it's pretty ridiculous that you have to 'buy' a child if all you want to do is give it a loving home. I know there are plenty of wonderful families out there, I'm just saying that novelty chasers exist and brangelina is not helping. I also don't understand why so many horrible foster parents go unchecked and RECEIVE money when they are basically temporarily adopting that child, but to actually adopt it you have to go through a mess, financially & emotionally. And the lack of available infants brings up another controversial question: if someone is so very desperate for a child, why not adopt an older one, the ones who are most in need of quality care, and avoid the heartache of a birth mother changing her mind?

    YesI like what you are putting down and agree with you.  I, for one, will be adopting an older or special needs child if that should ever be the route that we take.  Although I do understand some women want (and feel they need) to be able to mother an infant.  Because of the contraversial fostering system, many older children tend to have behavioral problems and need more than what an uninfluenced infant demands.  No matter how big the maternal instinct, some people just aren't cut out for that and seek infants. 

  • imagemissdanib:

    Hi ladies, I have been so crazy at work that I haven't had a chance to really post just read, but I did want to get in on this one. 

    I strongly support a women's right to chose and more importatnly her right to obtain birth control in any circumstance.  As a part of that, I also believe in teaching sex education in schools, and I do not believe that abstinence only education works.  I vehemently support Planned Parenthood and their mission that every child brought into this world should be a wanted one and to advance the right and ability of individuals and families to make informed and responsible choices. I would LOVE to live in a world where women never have to make that choice and believe this can be achieved thorugh advances in empowerment and education for both men and women.  I am also a Christian so this position has made it very difficult to be a part of any organized religion in quite some time (ie going to church) because it is in direct oppostion of most all Christian organizations and honestly I am made to feel like a hypocrite. 

    I also support the death penalty, think that people on welfare should be drug tested, and that women on welfare be on b/c such as an IUD. I also don't understand how environmentalism became a divisive political issue, I would think that everyone would want to take care of the planet that we live in and ensure clean water and land for future generatoins.

    I agree with you 100%

  • I would much prefer to adopt an older child and I give you credit Karrey to being so open to a special needs child.  I am far too self centered to be able to properly care for a special needs child. 
  • imageOo KrisTy oO:
    imageKarrey31:

    Out of curiosity, do you really think that aside from the brangelinas of the world, that many adopt foreign children for the novelty factor? I guess in what I've encountered many people don't adopt domestically bc of the lack of infants as well as the fear of birth mothers changing their mind.
     

    ::butting in:: Add expense to that list of domestic adoptions.  It is much more expensive to adopt in the US than outside. 

    ::butting out::

    I'm sure part of the expense is an effort to try to avoid all the abuse/nonsense that goes on! I agree it's pretty ridiculous that you have to 'buy' a child if all you want to do is give it a loving home. I know there are plenty of wonderful families out there, I'm just saying that novelty chasers exist and brangelina is not helping. I also don't understand why so many horrible foster parents go unchecked and RECEIVE money when they are basically temporarily adopting that child, but to actually adopt it you have to go through a mess, financially & emotionally. And the lack of available infants brings up another controversial question: if someone is so very desperate for a child, why not adopt an older one, the ones who are most in need of quality care, and avoid the heartache of a birth mother changing her mind?

     

    I totally agree that while there are older children who need adopted (and is actually something we're interested in pursuing in the future), there is something about raising a child from infancy that perspective parents are looking for.  

    And I guess I'm pretty spoiled b/c Iowa has a decent foster care system with lots of rules and regs in place to protect the kids.  Its downright HARD to be a foster parent in Iowa.   

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  • *Prepares for ducking of flames*:

    1. I believe in God. I don't believe catastrophic events happen b/c we are being punished, etc. I don't know if I believe there is a plan for us...maybe more that there is a loose idea of what will happen.

    2.I am Catholic. I am...in the middle on abortion. I don't believe in it, but I also believe this is an issue of separation of church and state, and therefore it cannot be banned. It should be used when necessary but not as a form of bc.

    3. I am against the death-penalty. I think they should just let criminals sit in cinder-block cells. None of this 3-meals a day bs - just let them sit and rot.

    4. I personally see no issue with people (i.e. the Duggars) having lots of kids - I think its great AS LONG as you are able to financially and emotionally support them. I do think families (i.e. the Duggars) should learn and practice FAM (charting) and use if for NFP purposes if they are against bc.

    5. I believe sex education should be more than abstinence. In fact, sell condomns in the bathroom - I'd rather kids be doing it safely than getting k/u.

    6. Ironically, I'm not a big fan of bc. But I support it b/c I also see this as an issue of church and state, and I don't think religious beliefs should be shoved down everyone's throats.

     

  • Since you were all so generous and included more than one...  I will add:

    I was raised to believe that participation in religion was a mental deficiency or brainwashing.  This is not what I believe.  I consider myself a spiritual person.  I am jealous of a sense of belonging to a spiritual community.  I have a problem with supposedly religious people behaving hypocritically or not knowing their own religion's history, tenets, scriptures or rules.  Blind faith in a religion is something I cannot abide.  Blind hatred of other religions or beliefs is also abhorrent to me. 

  • A lot of kids that are in foster care that are available for adoption are special needs in some way - most were abused, either before or after being placed in foster care.  And fost-adopt is not a guaranteed situation, either.  I had a beautiful little 2 yo boy placed with us for adoption  (back in 98), and when his parents found out that we were in the process of adopting, all of a sudden grandparents, who had not seen the child since he was born, popped out of the woodwork and wanted him.  And the courts see blood ties as more important, so he was placed with them, and our adoption failed.  The system sucks.

    My controversial belief is that women should be limited to a certain number of abortions in their lifetime, after which they are sterilized at the state's cost.  This would end the using abortions as birth control problem.

     

     

  • imagewendilea:

    My controversial belief is that women should be limited to a certain number of abortions in their lifetime, after which they are sterilized at the state's cost.  This would end the using abortions as birth control problem.

    I like this idea. 

  • 1)  Organized religion.  Don't believe in it.  R and I will expose Bebe to as much as we possibly can and let her form her own beliefs. 

    2)  Abortion.  Can't believe its even an issue.  Right to choose 100%. Even if I don't agree with it, no one should be able to tell me what to do with my body.  I won't dictate to anyone.

    3)  Capital punishment ALL THE WAY!  

    4)   I am firmly against public assistance that goes unearned.  i.e.  If you want food stamps, you should have to give time to a soup kitchen or something to that level. 

    5)  I believe that our educational system is jacked . . . and especially that it is a shame we live in a country where college is too expensive for the average student.

    I could go on and on . . .  but I get worked up just thinking about it!

  • 1.  I'm pro-choice 200%.  A woman's right to choose is the biggest issue I align myself with.  It's something I feel very strongly about, and have researched through centuries during my history career (my MA thesis was even on bc, abortion, and social/political issues at the turn of the century).  I would never tell someone else what to do with their body.  And, likewise, I don't want anyone else to make that decision for me either. 

    I agree with this:

    imagemissdanib:
    I strongly support a women's right to chose and more importatnly her right to obtain birth control in any circumstance.  As a part of that, I also believe in teaching sex education in schools, and I do not believe that abstinence only education works.  I vehemently support Planned Parenthood and their mission that every child brought into this world should be a wanted one and to advance the right and ability of individuals and families to make informed and responsible choices. I would LOVE to live in a world where women never have to make that choice and believe this can be achieved thorugh advances in empowerment and education for both men and women. 


    2. Tied in with that, I support sex ed and think it should be mandatory in schools, with a focus on ALL forms of bc, sexual health, and abstinence.  I think it's ridiculous that some groups want to blind themselves to the fact that people/youth will do what they want to some degree, including sex, regardless of what they've been told or taught.  I think education makes people strong....provide youth with education about sex ed from all angles and you will help provide them with a strong foundation from which to make educated decisions about their lives and health.

    And, I think bc should be readily available to everyone.  I do not agree with the "conscience clause."

    3. I think everyone should be concerned about the environment, regardless of whether you believe in global warming or not.

    4. It bothers me that public health is not a larger issue.  Prevention is the key to reducing overall health costs.  Everyone should be able to have access to health care in order to improve their health and prevent larger drains on social resources in the future due to increasing (and originally preventable) health problems.

    5. I have HUGE issues with organized religion.  And, am very serious about church-state separation. 

    6. I think all people, regardless of sexual orientation, should have the right to marry.



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    3. I think everyone should be concerned about the environment, regardless of whether you believe in global warming or not.

     


    As a person that works for an environmental company, my experience is that the people that don't believe in global warming are actually more aware of environmental hazards.
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