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McCain wouldn't put Palin in

LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
in August 2006 Weddings

CNN interviewed Biden after the debate and tried to get Palin to counter but Team Palin refused. Instead Camp McCain put up some "Sr. Communications Consultant" no-name.

Telling. 

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  • KateAggieKateAggie member
    I disagree.  Biden was put in because one of his strengths is foreign policy.  Heck, Obama even made that point in the debate.
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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey

    imageKateAggie:
    I disagree.  Biden was put in because one of his strengths is foreign policy.  Heck, Obama even made that point in the debate.

    Not sure what you are disagreeing with. CNN just said that Palin wouldn't come on after the debate despite the fact that she was invited, as was Biden. 

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  • KateAggieKateAggie member
    I'm saying a big reason that Biden accepted is to clean up some of the foreign policy talk--his specialty.  It would have been dumb for McCain to put Palin in, as it's not her specialty.  He wants his points to stand, not the "after discussion".  Biden can improve upon some of Obama's points.  McCain wants his to stand out.  KWIM?
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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey

    imageKateAggie:
    I'm saying a big reason that Biden accepted is to clean up some of the foreign policy talk--his specialty.  It would have been dumb for McCain to put Palin in, as it's not her specialty.  He wants his points to stand, not the "after discussion".  Biden can improve upon some of Obama's points.  McCain wants his to stand out.  KWIM?

    Okay, but I'm not speculating why or why not Palin refused and Biden accepted. Just pointing out that she/McCain refused to put her on the program. CNN wanted to interview both VPs, but only got one. 

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  • KateAggieKateAggie member
    imageLittleMissWifey:

    imageKateAggie:
    I'm saying a big reason that Biden accepted is to clean up some of the foreign policy talk--his specialty.  It would have been dumb for McCain to put Palin in, as it's not her specialty.  He wants his points to stand, not the "after discussion".  Biden can improve upon some of Obama's points.  McCain wants his to stand out.  KWIM?

    Okay, but I'm not speculating why or why not Palin refused and Biden accepted. Just pointing out that she/McCain refused to put her on the program. CNN wanted to interview both VPs, but only got one. 

    I was responding to what I felt like you were imply with your "telling" comment.  Sorry if I misread you.

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  • yeah4meyeah4me

    You are both right.

    McCain doesn't need his VP to spin his performance tonight - he nailed it (at least on the foreign policy stuff).

    And even if he did need it, the campaign isn't putting Palin in because Palin sucks. ?I am going to need to be WASTED on Thursday if the Couric interview was any barometer.?

    7/21/2007 :)

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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    Well, I do think it's telling that they won't put her up. Ever. Regardless of topic. A VP needs to be well versed on everything. CNN didn't ask Biden to come on b/c he supposedly has more foreign policy experience. They asked both VPs. Only one came on.
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  • yeah4meyeah4me

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    Well, I do think it's telling that they won't put her up. Ever. Regardless of topic. A VP needs to be well versed on everything. CNN didn't ask Biden to come on b/c he supposedly has more foreign policy experience. They asked both VPs. Only one came on.

    But it's a political decision. ?The Obama campaign predicted (correctly) that they were going to need someone to bat cleanup on the foreign policy stuff. ?So it made sense to accept CNN's offer and put Biden out there. ?The McCain campaign had nothing to gain from doing that. ?That goes double for a VP wildcard like Palin.

    It will be interesting to see how they use Palin after a more economy-focused debate. ?I'm guessing they will still choose not to, but not because McCain nailed it...?

    7/21/2007 :)

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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    imageyeah4me:

    You are both right.

    McCain doesn't need his VP to spin his performance tonight - he nailed it (at least on the foreign policy stuff).

     

    Just to clarify, I don't think either needed a spin master. But they BOTH put up spin masters and CNN interviewed two spin masters. CNN tried to get the spinners to be the VPs but while Obama agreed to put up Biden, McCain went with some no name communications deputy.

    So in other words: 

    - Obama: Biden

    - McCain: No name communications director. 

    See the difference? 

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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    imageyeah4me:

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    Well, I do think it's telling that they won't put her up. Ever. Regardless of topic. A VP needs to be well versed on everything. CNN didn't ask Biden to come on b/c he supposedly has more foreign policy experience. They asked both VPs. Only one came on.

    But it's a political decision. 


    Oh. No doubt...

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  • KateAggieKateAggie member
    imageyeah4me:

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    Well, I do think it's telling that they won't put her up. Ever. Regardless of topic. A VP needs to be well versed on everything. CNN didn't ask Biden to come on b/c he supposedly has more foreign policy experience. They asked both VPs. Only one came on.

    But it's a political decision.  The Obama campaign predicted (correctly) that they were going to need someone to bat cleanup on the foreign policy stuff.  So it made sense to accept CNN's offer and put Biden out there.  The McCain campaign had nothing to gain from doing that.  That goes double for a VP wildcard like Palin.

    Exactly the point I was trying to make.

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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    Yes. okay, but perhaps I'm not being clear, I'm one dark microbrew in, but McCain also sent in a "cleaner" (although I dispute this role for both camps) only his "cleaner" was a no one.
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  • KateAggieKateAggie member

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    Yes. okay, but perhaps I'm not being clear, I'm one dark microbrew in, but McCain also sent in a "cleaner" (although I dispute this role for both camps) only his "cleaner" was a no one.

    And my point is that McCain didn't need or want a cleaner--he wanted a noname so that he (McCain) stands out.  With the overanalyzation (cannot spell that word), sending Palin would've taken the focus away from McCain.

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  • yeah4meyeah4me

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    Yes. okay, but perhaps I'm not being clear, I'm one dark microbrew in, but McCain also sent in a "cleaner" (although I dispute this role for both camps) only his "cleaner" was a no one.

    I guess the point we're trying to make is that when you send in a no-one as a cleaner, anything they say won't get picked up in the news cycle tomorrow--a McCain spinmeister can only really say things like "McCain nailed X, hit his points on Y" etc. ?When you send in a someone like Biden, you are accepting, or even hoping, that the message he gets out will augment your own.?

    7/21/2007 :)

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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    And the reason why I reject the use of the term "cleaner" to describe either Biden or Mrs. No-Name's response after the debate is because after any political event, but especially after a debate, BOTH sides put forth "spinners" to frame the message to the media. They don't do this just because  they may have a "deficiency." It's just standard politicking done across the board. In fact, debate halls have "spin rooms" set up just for this purpose.
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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    imageyeah4me:

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    Yes. okay, but perhaps I'm not being clear, I'm one dark microbrew in, but McCain also sent in a "cleaner" (although I dispute this role for both camps) only his "cleaner" was a no one.

    I guess the point we're trying to make is that when you send in a no-one as a cleaner, anything they say won't get picked up in the news cycle tomorrow-

    No I get that. And I think that is precisely my point. It's telling they don't want Palin quotes picked up tomorrow. Tis all. It seems we all agree. 

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  • KateAggieKateAggie member

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    And the reason why I reject the use of the term "cleaner" to describe either Biden or Mrs. No-Name's response after the debate is because after any political event, but especially after a debate, BOTH sides put forth "spinners" to frame the message to the media. They don't do this just because  they have may have a "deficiency." It's just standard politicking done across the board. In fact, debate rooms have "spin rooms" set up just for this purpose.

    "Cleaner" wasn't my word--I picked it up from you! =)

     

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  • LittleMissWifeyLittleMissWifey
    imageKateAggie:

    imageLittleMissWifey:
    And the reason why I reject the use of the term "cleaner" to describe either Biden or Mrs. No-Name's response after the debate is because after any political event, but especially after a debate, BOTH sides put forth "spinners" to frame the message to the media. They don't do this just because  they have may have a "deficiency." It's just standard politicking done across the board. In fact, debate rooms have "spin rooms" set up just for this purpose.

    "Cleaner" wasn't my word--I picked it up from you! =)

     

    And my use of the word "cleaner" was in response to Yeah, who talked of someone needing to "clean up." Not anything you said. 

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  • KateAggieKateAggie member
    Yes
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  • Mrs.vtjaimeMrs.vtjaime
    I agree with you, LMW. I thought it was glaring that Biden was there, but not Palin. And he was on NBC and MSNBC (so AT LEAST with CNN and Williams and Olberman, separately) and Palin was nowhere to be found.
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  • WinesNotWhinesWinesNotWhines
    I just heard that Palin wasn't even in Mississippi. They sent her to a private "debate watching party" where there were no reporters.
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