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How much did W's support for this bill cause it to fail?

I'm not intending this to be a "This is all Bush's fault" post.

But is it possible that the fact HE, with his low numbers, was the one urging it so fervently that made it so distasteful to the American people? Who in turn, complained loudly and thus...the no votes today.

Is it possible that since he was one of the big "sellers" of this bill that people wanted no part of it. I know I myself questioned this bill's necessity until doing more research--and a big reason I questioned it was because Bush was so for it. 

This whole thing is making my head hurt.

ETA: Listening to the talking heads right now, many of them are saying the 'no' votes came from people up for re-election and people hoping to move from the House to the Senate.

Could they just not want to be attached to a bill so pushed and urged by the White House and an unpopular president?

And honestly--at this point, what CAN be done to sell this bill to the American public?

Re: How much did W's support for this bill cause it to fail?

  • A bill is not judged good or bad by who supports it. It's bad or good depending on its contents. The contents are controlled by congress, not Bush. Making Bush a scapegoat for Congress' epic failure is a lame distraction from the issues. Congress is not there to vote based on what makes them look good. They're there to implement good legislation that is beneficial to the country. If they've lost sight of that then they need to be voted out of office.
  • I don't mean it necessarily mean W's support made it fail in the eyes of Congress...I mean did his support make it unpopular to constituents, to the general public...who in turn, went to their representatives and complained.

    CNN had quite a few stories over the weekend of all the calls voters were making to complain about the bill to their congresspeople about the bill, period.

    The fact that many of the 'no' votes (on both sides) came from people up for re-election makes me wonder...

    Was it just not sold well enough? Or was it really that bad? And how do we go from the headlines of this morning that it was likely to pass to this?

    I'm not completely blaming or scapegoating Bush--I am wondering though if his support made it unsavory for the American people, who then complained to their congresspeople.

  • I think it needs to be spelled out for the American public as a whole. I don't think anyone really understands it and thus people are just jumping on propoganda.
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  • I read Bush's speech on this bailout. It was excellent. He laid it all out in a concise, easy-to-understand way. IMO he only helped the bill. The problem is this is doomed to be unpopular b/c of its very nature.
    People don't want a bailout and they don't care how necessary it is. That's why we have a representative gov't. B/c "the people" don't always make the right decisions.

  • I am torn on it failing for a number of reasons, but seem to keep coming back to the market needs to stabilize itself otherwise, it never will (I view many areas this way).  I do not think the bill, as it was written, would help everyone and I read somewhere (I will try to find a link) that people would still lose their homes, even with the bill.  I also feel it was rushed without fulling vetting the programs/aid that were being put in, imo, and was a problem, imo.

    We do NEED a bill, though, so this is why I am torn. 

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  • I think the text of Bush's speech was fine, but the messenger was all wrong because Bush has no credibility left. ?I've got a thread on E'08 basically arguing that they need a public relations re-do either with Obama and McCain standing in unison and making the case for a bailout, or with someone else who has credibility (Warren Buffet, Greenspan, etc.) making the case or this will be a no-go in the House. ?Senators can afford tough votes because they aren't all up in November. ?But House members are scared shitless to vote for this thing right now.
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