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Public blames Republicans for rejecting plan
ABC News/WashPo poll: 44% blame Repubs; 21% blame Dems.
For the overall economic situation, 25% blame Bush; 18% blame Wall Street; and 8% blame Congress.
I guess the remainaing 35% and 51%, respectively, are still trying to figure out WTF is going on.
{Edited to change title because it made no sense in it's original form. LOL}
Re: Public blames Republicans for rejecting plan
They are all to blame, but I am blaming the Republicans more. ?If they didn't want to tack on the end of the capital gains tax and lowering taxes altogether, we may have had a plan that could win. ?Also, if they could be less stubborn and horrible.
I blame both of them.
I don't understand blaming one side more than the other. This baffles me. How can it be more republicans fault when democrats voted against this bill also?
If anybody I blame Nancy Pelosi. Her speech was awful. There, from what I heard, were many republicans on the fence, and giving a right wing bashing speech right before they were set to vote, probably didn't sit well.
I also heard she went off script to bash the right, it wasn't part of her speech, she just had to add that in for good measure. She is embarassment to her party.
Exactly. I heard this too.
Again, if one woman's speech is responsible for people changing their votes, we have bigger problems. I didn't know they needed "permission" to vote a certain way. Aw gee, thanks Pelosi, now I can vote the way I really wanted to! Phew!
Blame shmame. People voted no. It didn't pass. End of story.
Like a few of the pp, I heard that the "deal" when it came to the final vote was that the Dems were supposed to have 130-yeas (ended up having 140) and Reps were supposed to have 100 yeas (ended with about 60, I think).
After sleeping on it for a night, I know understand the outrage (do not justify it) of Blunt and Eric Cantor. They had the votes they were to have, Pelosi gave her speech and afterwards some Rep changed their votes. So Cantor and Blunt feel that all of their work on the bill and to get their fellow Repub. to vote for it are for not. In the end, it did not pass and now they are back to square on.
I think this is ridiculous. So, instead of voting on the bill because of its merits and whether it will help the country out of the current economic problems, they're going to vote based on how Nancy Pelosi made them feel?? And you're OK with that??
Um, isn't that how our gov't is supposed to work? Maybe the people in Congress are listening to the people they represent for once.
Umm, NO. Constituents have a responsibility to shut the hell up if they aren't going to bother to inform themselves.
Pelosi's speech was ill advised, and I really don't care for that woman. However, give me a break: suggesting that the Democratic Speaker's speech convinced otherwise on board Republicans to vote down legislation the Republican President proposed is ridiculous.
I like Barney Frank's funny response to the allegations of Pelosi changing the outcome of the vote:
Frank remarked on the numerical "coincidence" that the number of "deeply offended Republicans" who voted no equalled exactly the number needed to reach the 218 votes in favor to pass the bill.
"I'll make an offer," he added. "Give me those 12 people's names and I will go talk uncharacteristically nicely to them and tell them what wonderful people they are and maybe they'll now think about the country."
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/frank_mocks_gop.html
Congress knew how important this was. If they were getting a lot of negative calls from their constituents, then they should have communicated what in the world is going on and why the bailout was important, not just caved when they knew it was against the country's best interest. That is the problem with this whole situation, people really have no clue what is going on and I blame everyone for not clearly explaining this whole ordeal to the American public.
But you need to remember that Republicans cannot do this, even if some of them want to.
One of the big components of the Republican party at this point in time is that the Dems are comprised of elitists who look down their East Coast, Ivy-League-educated noses at the "little" people of the world. The Repubs argue that the Dems don't trust Everyman with his own money and constantly push for policies and laws that remove power from the individual and give it, along with the peoples' tax money, to the government, which "knows better."
Under these circumstances, you can hardly blame Republicans for listening to their constituents who are screaming at them not to support the bill. To ignore their constituents under the guise of "we know better" would make them hypocrites and embody everything against which they rail in the Dems.
Now I fully agree with the PP who said that if the Repubs actually believed the bill was worthy on any level, they (and anyone else inclined to vote no only because their constituents were pushing same) had a responsibility to inform their constituents about the merits of the bill.
Okay, well I hope these "little people" realize that it's them who'll be hurting when their companies stop being able to cut paychecks. The "liberal elite" have millions saved off which they can live.
Plus, I'm not sure why you're replying to me talking about Rs and Ds; the whole point of my post was that I blame EVERY dumbazz who let some ill-informed Bubba who has a telephone, but no financial ledger, dictate his/her fiscal policy. To me, its not an R or D issue.
No need to be defensive as it wasn't my intent to pick on you personally. I was merely responding to your specific statement about constituents taking a back seat to their reps on this matter.
As for the "little people" hurting, keep in mind that people vote against their own pocketbooks all the time because they think that someday, THEY will be the Richie Riches of the world. Hope springs eternal.
My bad; its not defensiveness its frustration. I am soooo aggravated by people (mostly my sorority sisters on an email distlist I'm on) who can't see pass their own spite for Wallstreet execs to the BIG picture OR who form opinions based solely on emotion (not information). Almost every person (literally) I know that is against this bill doesn't know what commercial paper is and hasn't bothered to ask.
My bad; its not defensiveness its frustration. I am soooo aggravated by people (mostly my sorority sisters on an email distlist I'm on) who can't see pass their own spite for Wallstreet execs to the BIG picture OR who form opinions based solely on emotion (not information). Almost every person (literally) I know that is against this bill doesn't know what commercial paper is and hasn't bothered to ask.
No worries. :-) It's a terribly frustrating situation. I agree with you about people viewing everything through the lens of emotion. I find it very frustating and wish that people could step back and look at things rationally. Then again, my DH calls me The Assassin because when the shit hits the fan, I get very calm and go all Vulcan-logical (or Equilibrium-like, if you've ever seen that movie), so apparently I'm not like other people. LOL!
Put me in the "it's everybody's fault" camp.
The Nancy Pelosi speech excuse is just ridiculous.
You won't save the country from financial ruin because Nancy Pelosi hurt your feelings? That is the stupidest, most irresponsible, selfish excuse ever.
Now, I'm pissed at Pelosi too, but she shouldn't be the only one blamed for this.
ITA. There is a public relations problem here and someone needs to spell it out in layman's terms for them because a lot of people don't get it. I get an email forward everyday from people about how Wall Street should suffer, etc, and no one seems to realize that we will all suffer. They also don't seem to realize the further we go, the more we drag the rest of the world markets down with us.
The poll in the OP is not representative of the entire nation. Fox had a poll that showed the exact opposite - most blamed congress.
Either way, blame doesn't mean they dislike the Republicans for what they did. They could have asked the question - who gets credit for rejecting the bailout. Most Americans hate the bailout. According to Rasmussen only 28% support what has been proposed so far - which is exactly why congress doesn't want anything to do with this. They've been flooded with angry phone calls - one capitol hill person said the phone calls were 100:1 against this.
I'll give credit/blame to the republicans. Without their collective spine we'd have a disastrous bill on our hands.