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Women as politicians

Hey! I am going to try and write a non controvesial post, and as its mostly women on this board, I wanted to see if my thoughts are sexist or something. I dont think they are, but then, I wouldnt would I?

Anyway...for a long time I have thought the world would be a better place if women were in charge. This isnt some kinky fetish, by the way, lol. I think along these lines (and obviously, its general, there are exceptions with both genders, and with politicans).?

Men and women are different in many ways, and as the bearers of children, women are usually more protective and less inclined to violence, unless as a last resort, and then protection is the motivating factor. Men are more aggressive, more likely to fight when talking would work just as well and cause less damage overall. I am not so sure of this, but men it seems to me that find it almost impossible to swallow their pride, and most seem to need to mark out a territory of some kind. And these traits are great for an army general or "warrior" role but not so good for running a country.?
So I always think that a women in charge would be less likely to go to war, unless it was actually needed. More likely to swallow their pride and do whats best for all.

And then I think, it must be very hard for a woman to keep those traits when working in a mostly male environment like politics. And thats a shame, because it means that to get anywhere, they have to behave like men, and mens behaviour isnt that great lol. And I think the world would be better with women in charge, but how can that happen if they end up as a man in a skirt by the time they are in charge of anything?

So have I inadvertantly upset anyone? Am I being sexist? What do you think?

Re: Women as politicians

  • I don't think you're being sexist, but I do think you're generalizing. Women in high-level positions, i.e. corporate CEOs or VPs, politicians, etc., often do not necessarily fit your description of being warm and fuzzy. I've heard a lot of people complain about their female managers. Some of those complaints may be sexist, but I think women are just as likely as men to be bad (or good) managers and leaders.
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  • No, you haven't upset me, but sorry Reeve, I'm calling sexist.

    Judging women by the flawed yardstick we use to judge men is sexist, and that's what you're doing here.

  • imagegtown_bride:
    I don't think you're being sexist, but I do think you're generalizing. Women in high-level positions, i.e. corporate CEOs or VPs, politicians, etc., often do not necessarily fit your description of being warm and fuzzy. I've heard a lot of people complain about their female managers. Some of those complaints may be sexist, but I think women are just as likely as men to be bad (or good) managers and leaders.

    Ditto.

    Female lawyers, especially in the area I practice in, are about the least warm & fuzzy people I've ever met. Which is odd, because I practice family law.

  • imageReeve:

    Men are more aggressive, more likely to fight when talking would work just as well and cause less damage overall. I am not so sure of this, but men it seems to me that find it almost impossible to swallow their pride, and most seem to need to mark out a territory of some kind. And these traits are great for an army general or "warrior" role but not so good for running a country. 

    i know quite a few women who fit this description. ditto the others, your comments are a huge generalization. sorry, reeve, you're still our boy and all. but i'm not buying it. 

  • ditto pps. I actually hold similar ideas in my head as you, but well, I guess its just something that can't be said in a PC way in this day and age.

    I do think that there are "innate qualities" men and women as different genders possess, but if you say one is more "suited" for a certain job, based on their biology - thats when it becomes un-PC. And remember that nature's rules are made to be broken, and for every rule you try to establish you are gonna see exceptions left and right.

     

  • The points made about CEO's and Lawyers I would see as similar to politics - if they were warm and fuzzy (lol) they wouldnt be CEOs and lawyers.

    And I realise i was vastly oversimplifying. It was just a general thought I had, not a hard fast rule of any kind. And I know its not PC to say that men are better at this job than women or vice versa - but its still sometimes true in general ways, I reckon.

    Anyhoo, thanks for the answers. More thinks methinks.
  • I agree, I think the type of woman to come up in politics or business to high levels is more of a powerbitch, and not the fragile flower peace lover type.  We're not all the same, you know.

    I know the violent rage I often feel (and physically express) while playing "recreational" coed soccer does nothing to encourage thoughts of women being mostly unconfrontational.

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  • I appreciate that you're thinking about this carefully, Reeve. You're pigeonhole-ing and generalizing women in a favorable light, and it's better than the alternative I suppose. But it's just as easy to take what you said and say "well, women shouldn't be in politics, then" or "women are __, so better suited for ___."
  • I can see that you are right, Brookles. And I would never say either men or women shouldnt do this job or that job. I do think men are more suitable for some work than others, and in the case of politicians, I think men shouldn't be, and women should be.

    And i want to say again, it was a very big generalisation, and I know that.

    But I guess I just like women more than men. And thats not such a bad thing I suppose, even if it is misguided lol



    As an aside, when I make a post, I often havent thought everything through very well. Its one of the reasons I write the post in the first place - more data needed. I find writing it helps clarify my thoughts, and other peoples opinion helps modify them, with the hope that eventually I will have the understanding and truth of at least 1 thing before I die lol.?
    I speak to men more often than women, and so it interesting to hear what women think on topics, as I dont here that side so much.?

    :o)
  • I actually disagree. I as a general rule prefer to work with male supervisors. I find women, many times, to be catty and jealous. Working in a female-dominated office, I can tell you that Fridays, when there is an all male team on-duty, is remarkably free of the catty BS that goes on every other day.

    I never get that women somehow would be more understanding and more touchy-feely, etc. I am not sure how that translates into leadership.

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