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LOST 03/23 (spoilers)
Just getting it started. I really liked last nights episode. Was I the only one looking for eye liner when they did the close up of Richard's eye? So we know someone needs to replace Jacob so that evil doesn't escape the island? What if Jacob is really the evil one? Who knows. Right now Hurley is my favorite for replacing Jacob.
Re: LOST 03/23 (spoilers)
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Totally looking for eyeliner! I have to be honest, I was annoyed through 3/4 of this episode. It didn't go anywhere! Yeah Richard had a sad story, blah, blah, blah, but I really wanted to see more of the present day peeps. Hurley seems like the best candidate because he seems happy being alone and talking to dead people
I heart Hurley for that too!! He's just such the great mediator.
And yeah, I was looking for the eyeliner, but I think his eyelashes are just THAT thick. I know a guy whose eyelashes are just like that - soooo not fair.
I think this was my favorite episode of the season so far.. it truly seemed to reflect JJ Abrams' true style, with LOTS of references to his numbers, books, and a TON of religious references (well, more than usual), I'm guessing since Richard's roots were highly religious. They had striped blankets, wine, light/dark, etc.. I had more listed, but its on my home system. Dorky, I know.
It was cool to see where the Black Rock came from, and that it was what destroyed the three toed statue. AND how Richard unknowingly sealed his fate. Ouch! That's gotta hurt.
Jacob could be the evil one - I kind of doubt it, though. JJ loves his context clues. Anyhow, I loved all the history and references, and need to watch it again when I'm less distracted.
Yeah, I did miss them! I'm hoping that next week is when Jin and Sun will finally meet up.. the preview showed her laying on the ground, so maybe the man in black gets to her? Ehh. we'll see!!
I totally agree on knowing where the Black Rock came from. Does it seem kind of hokey though that a wooden ship could plow into a ginormous stone statue and the statue breaks apart but not the ship?
haha, good point!
All in all, I loved this episode! I was really hoping to find out the name of the man in black though (among other things).
Me too! Richard has been one of the most intriguing characters for me and I loved seeing his back story. Also, this episode felt paced better than any of the side flash eps. I think it was good for the show to mix it up by offering this one-show arc where they could really tell a story from start to finish.
I agree. I'm willing to take Jacob's answer as the truth right now. It makes sense given everything that Evil!Locke has said about getting people off the island and Claire and Sayid's actions after their involvement with Evil!Locke.
Speaking of the Man in Black, this is probably totally flameworthy for a LOST discussion, but I prefer the original Man in Black over the Locke version. The original actor is damn good. Terry O'Quinn is good too, but he seems to be playing Locke, only evil. A few of my other favorite shows (mostly sci-fi, obvs) have dealt with having a regular character getting possessed and going evil for a while and when it's done well, they actually feel like a different character. I just don't get that with Locke.
Overall I liked the episode. I made Richard more endearing to me - showing his true human side. I think Black Man is still the evil on the island. He's just like the devil - has the ability to appear as another person (Isabella, Ben's daughter, etc), consumes the evil souls but doesn't take the pure of heart, is very coniving and manipulative with the people he meets - telling them what they need to hear and not the truth, etc, etc. I think Jacob is the good side still and in last nights episode he was open and honest w/ Richard and didn't try to win him over but wanted Richard (and others) to make that choice for himself.
I don't think Hurley is going to replace Jacob. I think if anything he could be the new Richard. I really liked the ending w/ Isabella too. And I think Isabella's comment that she and Richard were already together refers to the fact that even though Richard's been there 100+ years, it's a blink in the light of eternity and eternally they are already together.
Oh - and Hurley just rocks. I wish I spoke Spanish so I could understand what he was saying on the beach.
Oh - and he totally had on the man liner on the boat - I noticed it in one of the close-ups.
LOL! I take this on as my lunch break challenge. So far I got nothin.
ETA: Good find, Nessia.
I said the same thing to Jay. That's a little far-fetched.
I was wondering if the men that guy ran through w/ the knife would have been killed by the smoke monster had he not done it himself.
I thought it was a fun episode but now I'm so confused on whether everyone IS dead or what?! Glad we're getting answers finally.
You rock!
Or that he's already dead in sideways time...at least that's what I thought she meant.
I really like the idea that Jacob could actually be the evil one. I'm guessing based on things said this week and last that Jacob and the man in black are brothers
OK, here is my theory (or one of them...they change with every episode). Disclaimer: I do not know any of the actual religious background relating to what I am about to say (especially what purgatory actually is).
The island is "purgatory". Those who are sent to the island have done some kind of "bad" action in their lives. It is not clear if they should go to heaven or hell. Jacob is God's representative and is there to encourage them to "do good" so that they can go to heaven. The man in black is a representative of the devil trying to coax them into showing their true evil side. Once they do, he collects their souls and holds them for the devil. That is why Jacob and the man in black cannot kill each other....there is some sort of rule that this purgatory island is where the people sent there are to make their own choices.
But, Jacob inferred last night that no one has ever "lived" meaning that they never chose the good and experienced eternal life in heaven.He also said that he cannot forgive Richard for his sins....so that is interesting. Richard has made good choices, so why has he not been sent to heaven? How can Jacob grant him the ability to "not die"?
So who is Widmore then? He obviously isn't good. Why would he want to kill the man in black?
What is the whole electromagnitism (sp?) thing. The others and Widmore all know that you can keep the black smoke out by putting up these barriers. The black smoke sparks. Then there was the whole entering in the numbers thing.
What are we seeing in the whole parallel then? How they would have lived if they had not been sent for salvation?
I dunno. I am starting to think my theory sucks.
Dude, I alraedy Nest too much as it is.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the producers nixed the purgatory theory a while back.
ETA: Here you go. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Purgatory_(debunked_theory)
See I told you my theory sucks.
i loved this episode. reminded me of the story of job, where evil tries to sway while good hopes the tortured will remain strong. richard has blindly followed jacob's lead, without jacob giving him direct answers/instructions, or even inviting richard into his home/statue - acting on faith, just as job had faith in god even while satan tortured him and his friends told him to give up.
my current theory - jacob is god. and like jesus, jacob couldn't be killed by satan (man in black) but instead by one of his own who chose to betray him, linus (peter, pharisees).
i loved confirmation that richard came on the black rock (and agree with those who have said there's no way a wooden boat would destroy a huge stone statue - exactly what i said to my husband when we saw that scene). loved the love story and learning that richard is really a good guy, in case we previously doubted.
interesting that the man-in-black still has no name, whereas jacob almost always volunteers his name upfront.
i kept expecting for it to be revealed that richard was (at least at one point) a candidate, but i guess not. so who was on the black rock that jacob wanted (he said he brought the ship to the island)? if the man-in-black wanted to prove that people were evil, why did he kill the black rock people so quickly? had they already proved him right? but jacob said they came to the island with a clean slate. why did the smoke spare richard? saw something in him that suggested he could be used to kill jacob, whereas the others wouldn't have followed MIB so easily? hmm...
i looooove hurley. such a great character.
Hmm.. I could only think that they were trying to bring Richard on the Black Rock. Maybe he had to have a willing subject?
I'm SO glad you posted about the story of Job.. cause I couldn't quite remember which story it was that was similar to. I kinda agree on the God thing. He seems too all-powerful to be just another person on the line to "protect the island" - moreover, what is he protecting "it," "from"?
I kind of think that Sawyer will end up being the candidate. Or finalist. Whatever. He's the one who has multiple relationship story lines that always predictably ends up alone. What other kind of personality would be suited to guard the island like that?
i almost wonder if someone else survived the smoke attack on the black rock, since we didn't see what happened on deck.
if richard was the one jacob wanted to bring to the island, wouldn't that make him a candidate? which would explain why the smoke couldn't hurt him. maybe he lost his candidacy when he tried to kill jacob? man, jacob sure can throw a punch!
it was a dead-ringer when jacob said he didn't want to persuade people to be good, he wanted them to do it on their own. but i loved that richard pointed out that people were going to be influenced by evil and needed some good influence to even the playing field. tied-in beautifully with what we learned previously about jacob not fighting/stopping ben because he was hoping that ben would make the right choice - choose good, without further influence/persuasion, while flocke was providing plenty of influence/persuasion.
i don't know that i agree that the protector needs to be a loner. maybe it'll be kwon - and be both of them!
i'm wondering about the statue. the slave said it was the devil. but we know it's taweret, goddess of fertility and birth. when will we learn the significance of birth as related to jacob/MIB and the island? i'm sure it's not a coincidence that jacob's home is the statue representing birth/life. and didn't we see in an earlier episode that MIB was jacob's roommate in the statue? what happened to get him kicked out? i wonder if they lived in a sort of balance, and then MIB tried to rise above jacob, resulting in being expelled from the statue just as satan was expelled from heaven. Cast out of the tomb...
Man, I love this show.