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VP Debate: Gay Marriage
It was kind of surprising that both parties are 100% against gay marriage. But then again neither really delved into the nuances of what they do and do not want legal. Anybody know either party's stance in more detail? Like are they both for "civil unions" at least???
Re: VP Debate: Gay Marriage
I think its ridiculous that neither are for gay marriage.
Obama is in favor of civil unions, and McCain believes it's a states issue.
They both oppose a federal marriage amendment.
My minister has expressed (one-on-one, not in a sermon) that this is a generational issue, and as my generation grows stronger, gay rights will come. It was in reference to a church related issue, but yeah, I think he's right in general as well.
I feel the same as you MD. But I also feel like its so unpopular with older generations, that even if all the candidates where for it personally, they don't feel like they would win any brownie points saying that publicly, kwim?? Basically I feel like a whole lot more people are for it than they are willing to admit.
Hahaha, against equal rights? Well that's an interesting way to put it.
I don't know what the party line is, but I can assure you John McCain is against the banning of gay marriage, has promised to veto a federal marriage amendment banning gay marriage, and has voted no on the proposed amendment in the past. Hence why he was endorsed by the Log Cabin Republicans (who didn't endorse Bush in 2004, btw).
Agreed. Obama/Biden are for civil unions, though, which is a step ahead of McCain/Palin. McCain's website says:
As president, John McCain would nominate judges who understand that the role of the Court is not to subvert the rights of the people by legislating from the bench. Critical to Constitutional balance is ensuring that, where state and local governments do act to preserve the traditional family, the Courts must not overstep their authority and thwart the Constitutional right of the people to decide this question.
I honestly don't understand that. When courts rule that gay marriage bans violate a state constitution (and maybe someday the federal...we can hope), they are saying that the legislation violates the Constitution. They are interpreting the Constitution and applying it to a statute. I'm so sick of the "legislating from the bench" line. I don't understand how ruling that a statute which limits the rights of gays is somehow taking away the Constitutional right of people.
The idea that this should be left to the states is simply not workable in the long run. Civil unions or gay marriage need to be recognized federally because there are so many issues affected by it that cross state lines, such as taxes and child custody. Currently, same-sex couples who would benefit from filing their federal income taxes jointly can't do that because it's a "state issue." Shouldn't the federal government take a stand on the application of its tax code to same-sex couples who marry in states that permit it?
I thought that question was a mess. Biden started off so strongly, and then totally backed off. Palin was all over the place.
The question is just a land mine.
I get the political calculation of drawing a distinction since it's trying to walk the narrow line of looking like you are not discriminating against gay people, but still appealing to the people freaked out by them. At some point, somebody is going to have to take the plunge. I think with each passing day, the risk becomes smaller and smaller. It's just a matter of time.
I would be shocked if they are still playing this game in the next election. Four years from now, the dems will be in support of marriage. I'd put money on it.
I, too, was kind of surprised at how that section went down... I haven't heard commentary yet on that section.
But the question is: did Palin flub or is that the new MPC stance on gay rights?
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Yeah, it seemed like Biden said 2 completely opposite things. I'm not in love with Obama/Biden to begin with, and this is one issue where they deeply disappoint. Perhaps it's because I live in a lefty liberal city and have lots of gay friends, acquaintances and neighbors. I can't believe it's the year 2008 and people are still for denying marriage rights to couples based on their sexual orientation. I don't see at all how it's different than denying equal marriage rights to interracial couples. How do people explain a difference between the two?
i hope so!