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Transgender and sexuality
So, my life of leisure has led to a lot of Oprah viewing (while packing--don't you judge me). What I've noticed is that all (ok, two, but stick with me) transgender people seem to be homosexual one they are in their correct gender identity. So, the boy who became a woman was a lesbian. I don't know why, but I find this fascinating.
Re: Transgender and sexuality
Ooh, I'm fascinated by this as well. I've discussed this often with my gay and lesbian friends.
I've also thought it's confusing to lump transgendered and gay and lesbian folks together politically. I wonder if it makes some people think that a lesbian really wants to be a man, if any of this makes sense.
I would agree with you. But I think it makes sense in a way, because the argument of transgender people is not related to preferred sexual orientation, but who they feel they are. I think the whole thing is pretty fascinating.
Re: Posts I open: Ones with transgender in the title.
For less then ten cents a day, you can feed a hungry child.
I definitely think people think that. People in my family have said as much about my cousin.
I agree with Angie (I think). It's a separate issue from sexuality. So the fact that I'm attracted to men is not what makes me a woman.
The nerve!
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I agree with Angie too, but Fallin's point, based on Oprah-watching is interesting. I remember my mind getting all twisted up about the pregnant man. I kept having to go back and think, "ok, she was a woman in love with a woman, but felt like she should be a man, so she had gender reassignment surgery and is now a man in love with a woman." I don't know why I find it so mind-bending.
For less then ten cents a day, you can feed a hungry child.
I don't think gender identity in these cases is really a choice, either.
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No, I don't think any of it is really a choice either. I should have said it appears to make this one.
Trying to explain why I think this is confusing is confusing. I'm confused.
For less then ten cents a day, you can feed a hungry child.
Yeah, it's not really the choice or not aspect that fascinates me. It's more just that the two seem to be tied together. People that feel like they are in the wrong body also seem to be sexually attracted to the gender they feel they are. I guess I wonder if the two are tied at a genetic or brain level or whether it's because you are attracted to what you long to be.
I still don't get the pg woman. I can't wrap my brain around him believing that he is a man be repeatedly engaging in arguably the quintessentially female act of carrying and birthing a baby.
Same here. Although it was through the Samaritans program and not Human Sexuality class. I'm not trying to SWF you, Cali.
Husbands should be like Kleenex: Soft, strong, and disposable.
One of my cousins is transgendered. I don't know if he's planning on having surgery, but he was born a woman and has been living as a man for several years now. For quite awhile (before he started taking male hormones) he was in a relationship with a lesbian, but when he started looking more manish in appearance she stopped wanting to be with him physically because she was interested in women. He's in a relationship with a straight woman now.
I think they tried for awhile to get the woman in the relationship pregnant, but she was incapable. Considering the lengths that some people go to to get pregnant, I don't think using existing, working plumbing is terribly outrageous. If Lorne had the ability to carry a child and I was unable I'm sure he'd do it.
Husbands should be like Kleenex: Soft, strong, and disposable.
Yeah, the pregnant man/woman thing is weird. If you have a uterus and give birth to a baby, you're still a woman.
Speaking of the pregnant man, I'm reminded of Larry King's interview with him. I'm convinced Larry King is doing a parody of an interview show.
I think he was making use of female sex organs as a last resort but identified with the male gender.
Exactly. It's not like his wife could have kids but they just decided that he'd rather do it.
The nerve!
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Oh, I know. I get it, and I don't begrudge them. The thing that I found weird (and maybe I'm remembering it wrong) is that in interviews he didn't seem to think he was AT ALL a woman anymore, even though he still had quintessentially woman parts and gave birth to a baby.
I kind of don't get gender identity issues, especially for women. Definitely as a woman in our society, there are so few gender rules, they are non-existent. Not liking your boobs doesn't count. I hate my boobs. I would like to be able to run like a normal person and wear button down shirts. The only thing they are good for is sticking out farther than my belly so I look somewhat proportioned.
And men who feel like they want to be women I can sort of get because you can't just wear a dress as a dude quite the as a woman can wear pants and not draw attention. But I am such a non-girly girl that I'm like WTF do you MEAN you want to shave your legs and get your nails done? You WANT to worry about maintaining your bikini line?? Those are the worst parts of being a girl! CAN WE TRADE???
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But if Lorne had the ability and chose to carry a child, I'd call him a woman. It's very have your cake and eat it too...and get your 15 minutes as a bonus. Maybe it was the cashing in on the "Pregnant Man!!! OMG!!!" headlines that bugged me. Sorry, you have and use female organs, I refuse to identify you as male, at least while you're on the cover of People with a pg belly.
Oh, I think the way the media hyped it up is ridiculous. Calling him "the pregnant man" is dumb.
And I was thinking of Lorne getting pregnant in more of that Arnold Schwarzenneger/Danny DeVito terrible movie sort of way, where science magically finds a way to implant a fetus in a man with man parts.
Re: Pregnant Man--Maybe someone who has dealt with issues of gender identity has an easier time segregating the roles and functions of mind and body than the rest of us.
On Fallin's original point about gender identity and sexual orientation: I haven't done serious research in this area for several years, but I remember finding anecdotal evidence that the connection (or lack thereof) between gender identity and sexual orientation can be confusing for teenagers who are trying to sort out both facets of their identity. Some (though by no means all) people reported being unsure of whether one was supposed to lead the other, e.g. "If I identify as a man, does that mean I 'should' like women? If I like women, does that mean I 'should' be male?"
I also remember reading about an Australian family court that granted a mother's petition to seek F to M reassignment surgery for her biologically female teenaged child. The decision was criticized because one of the factors the court considered was the teenager's attraction to women. The critic suggested that the court automatically interpreted that as an indicator of the teen's "male outlook," without stopping to think that it might just be lesbianism.
Husbands should be like Kleenex: Soft, strong, and disposable.
Is Fenton calling me transgendered?
I was following a feminist blog written by a trans woman for awhile. She wrote about when she was first transitioning and she'd do the full make-up, nails, hair look, but at some point that felt more like she was performing the role of a woman rather than being a woman. So she stopped doing it as much, but then felt like it made it more obvious that she was born male when she wants to be recognized as female. Then she tied it back to her developing feminism. It was interesting.
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