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Controversial topic - mosque near WTC...discuss
What do you guys think about this? Good idea, bad idea? Should it be allowed or stopped?
I just watched this hilarious John Stewart clip that pretty much sums up my feelings on this.... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-7-2010/wish-you-weren-t-here
Re: Controversial topic - mosque near WTC...discuss
You know, there's a massage parlor around the corner from Ground Zero that gives "happy endings", but no one seems to have a problem with that (probably more than one, actually)
I'm actually more shocked that there isn't ALREADY a mosque in the Ground Zero neighborhood (I'm thinking there likely is) and that attempting to interfere with the building of a new one is flat out religious intolerance, and hence profoundly UN-AMERICAN!
I am still astounded by the prevailing misguided opinion that Islam=Terrorism. Asinine.
I am fine with any religious group that would like to build a place of worship in their community. Muslims, Christians, Jews, or groups from any other faith. I thought this country allowed religious tolerance. I guess they were only referring to Judeo-Christian tolerance? Hmph.
It's not Muslims that concern me. It's religious fanatics (of any faith) that greatly concern me. Also, stupid people that bandwagon on what they say are religious beliefs but really are based on a bastardized version of some specific religious belief. The Westboro "Baptist" Church is a prime example.
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I think you said it perfectly! I was watching something on the news the other night about it and all these thoughts of religious intolerance was in my head. There was some sort of a community meeting I guess, from where they were reporting and there was one Muslim girl and they just attacked her, saying how people like her did not deserve this. I felt so sad for her! She then got up and said that she, too, lost her loved ones and neighbors in the horrible tragedy of 9/11.
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On a side note, I guess some people's issue with this is the potential money for this mosque coming from terrorist sources. Also, some people have issue with the one of the leaders, who may have links to organizations with terrorist ties. I don't know if these issues are founded or not. Again, I can understand these concerns, but as long as this is all legit, I think it's fine.
a right to have an opinion? surely. but if that opinion is harmful (ie discrimintory) to others, then it's against the law for them to act on it.
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I just think it seems fishy... like why at the WTC? I do question their motivation for them building it specifically at that site.
I also heard that they will not disclose where the funding for the mosque is coming from, which (if true), I think is strange.
I think Muslims, like all religious, should have a right to build houses of worship and pray as they see fit. However, there are some situations in which things like this just aren't appropriate imo (the building of a convent in Auschwitz comes to mind as something a bit similar).
I think that sometimes Americans go overboard in making everything politically correct and in doing so, compromise safety and common sense.
Um. Hi. Welcome to the board. Interesting choice of a first post over here. (sorry if you've posted before, i don't recognize you).
Jugding from the tone of your post I don't know if you are open to a healthy debate, but I'm going to try to engage you in one anyway.....
I understand the initial knee-jerk reaction to this - radical Muslims were responsible for 9/11, so why would you build a mosque there. However, I urge anyone who wants to stop their reasoning there to think a little further back....how many deaths/wars/conquests have Christians been responsible for over the centuries? (ever heard of a little thing called the Crusades? the Spanish Inquisition? WWII???) I am Catholic and I would not think it was fair if a Muslim community didn't want me building a church in their neighborhood because Catholics have specifically targeted and killed Muslims at many different points in history. I am not one of those Catholics, just like most Muslims are not the "psychos in caves" that you are worried about.
Do you have any Muslim friends? I encourage you to find some - you'll see their just as concerned about safety and protecting our country as you are.
Anyway, not trying to be snarky, just trying to debate the issue respectfully - that's why i started this post in the first place. :-)
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Anyway, what I said was i totally agree with you on this. While I am all for everyone being able to worship wherever they want, my initial thought was that this is a little on the tacky side....I thought along the same lines as you - it would be like building a German cultural center in the middle of Hasidic Williamsburg. Sure, you CAN do it, but why would you want to!? I want to say to these people "Really? You want to do this right HERE? Isn't that a little, oh I don't know, tacky???"
Unfortunately, however, most of the arguments that people are making against this are not based on that but rather the "All Muslims are terrorsist, keep them out of lower Manhattan" angle, which I can't agree with.
well- thank you for your response. and this is my first post here, but i personally don't see why that should matter- i usually post on boards when i feel i have something to add or question. and until now, on the nest, i have not felt reason to add or question.
For some answers to your questions... yes I have heard of christian wars- thankfully they weren't in my time-- but are you using those ancient wars to justify this Jihad? You may not think its fair -- but if you choose to build a church in iran/iraq/pakastan/saudi arabia etc- I promise you- you'll have a problem. Try wearing a pair of shorts there and a tank-top first- see if you can get past them with that.
No I don't have muslim friends, and to be perfectly honest and frank- i wouldn't want any. I know many will call me a racist/bigot or whatever you'd like- I am just being honest. They're values do not sit in with my core values and i wouldn't want to be involved with that.
I didn't think anything you said was 'snarky' and i hope you don't find my response snark either.
it cut off my response....
I am 100% confident that there are very nice and humbling muslim people all around the world. I just personally think we have to be more vigilent because despite 9/11 being 9 years ago, this war on terror is still going on today.
See, that's the thing. We're not in any of those countries. We're in the US of A. That means religious freedom for all, even if some people don't agree with those religions. And I highly, highly doubt Danielle is justifying any Jihad.
Sounds like what pp mentioned above. You don't know any Muslims. How would you know their values? It must be really hard judging a whole group of people when you don't know even know one. You might be surprised to find that you share the same values as many Muslims, including Muslim-Americans. (Yep. We've got Americans that are also Muslim.) Things like getting a good education, raising a family, and, yes, having a place to worship. Perhaps you would be surprised to find that, but a few extremists, they are also very much opposed to terrorism.
P.S. If I had a nickel for every looney who killed in the name of Jesus, I'd be rich. And yet I don't see people getting all twitchy about building churches.
Good points here. Like I said, I am not opposed to people building houses of worship in their communities. I can see why this particular choice of location is so controversial. But then where? I mean, do we get nervous about any mosque being built in NYC.
kfischette, it doesn't matter that it was your first post here - it was just a little surprising. Usually people start with "hi, I'm new to the board. I live in (name borough) and I'm looking forward to talking with you all!" It was an interesting choice of a first post, that's all.
And ditto 315Bride on all her responses to you. That girl must be in my head, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Oh, and of COURSE I am not justifying Jihad - to do that I would have to be saying I AGREED with the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition or Hitler, which clearly I did not say. All I'm saying is that Islam is not the only religion that has had extremists use God as an excuse to kill people who aren't like them. Doesn't make anyone right for doing it, but non-Muslims shouldn't hold themselves up on a pedestal as if it's only the Muslims that do it.
Did you watch the John Stewart clip I posted? It is hilarious and exposes some of the hypocrisy that I am talking about in a very entertaining way. You should watch it (it's not all about the WTC, just about American's views towards Muslims in general).