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Guns
Its been a heated topic on a few other boards lately & I think we could use a little heat.
How do you feel about them?
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Re: Guns
We're a pro gun, I do understand the anti gun side & I respect people that choose to not like or own them.
I think it has alot to do with our area. Most of the men around here take vacations so they can spend their days in the woods hunting.
J owns several different ones for hunting & he has his concealed weapons permit.
We're very safe & proactive about it. The kids have pop guns that we treat the same as real guns. My kids wont be the ones running around with a toy gun pretending to shoot people, even at 4 & 2 they know guns are serious & not something to be played with. When they are old enough they will learn how to handle & eventually shoot real guns too. They've already started learning about BB guns.
I'll take the other side, then. I do not like guns. Honestly, being around them makes me feel more unsafe.
H has several that he uses to hunt, which doesn't bother me. Right now they stay at his parents' house. (We live in a tiny apartment)
This is just my opinion: Personally, I don't understand concealed carry. I mean, are we really living in a world that is so unsafe that you have to have a gun on you at all times? In the news near me lately, there was a big thing about allowing open carry at a local ARTS FESTIVAL. Really?! I don't know if I'm naive or what, but I think I'll take my chance with being unarmed.
I am anti gun in the sense that I would never let a gun into my house. We don't hunt and we would never need a gun to protect ourselves (since we don't know how to use one it would probably be more of a harm to us).
I think too many people that own guns nowadays should not. They don't have them for the right purposes or they don't know how to properly use/store them.
My grandpa is military and always had guns in his house. That never bothered me, and it still doesn't. Just wouldn't let it in my house.
I have mixed feelings in this department.
Personally I do not like them... H is very pro-gun, has one, has a CCW, and would carry it with him everywhere if he could. That said, he also grew up in the 'hood lol.
I understand his reasoning... he has had plenty of things stolen from him (he used to be a landscaper and had thousands of dollars stolen from him... this was before he got his CCW though). He also had his house shot up as a kid, and has seen plenty of violence in his life. He is VERY and I mean VERY anal about proper safety when it comes to it, so it doesn't make me feel unsafe. That said, I hate touching it, and H has tried a million times to get me to go to the range with him, buy one for me, etc. But I have no desire. They just scare me... I mean there is so much power in that one thing, and personally I don't want that kind of power (or responsibility)
But I do understand why H feels the way he does... although it does get on my nerves when he wants to bring it with him everywhere. I don't see the purpose. Having it in the house is one thing, and carrying it when you may be going into a bad area of town or something is understandable, but carrying it with you everywhere is stupid. But H gets mad when I say that, so I try and shut my mouth, especially since i know how safe he is with it. But I also know that no matter how safe you are, you can't be 100% safe, and in the end, I just don't like them.
But at the same time, I think responsible people have a right to own guns... and the NUMBER ONE reason I feel this way is because, the government and the police CANNOT control guns getting in the hands of criminals and bad people. I lived in DC for 4 years (guns aren't allowed), and I can't tell you how many times I heard gun shots... or how many "bad guys" have guns in DC. And then the cops go after the good guys because they have a gun in there house, that they have for personal protection??? Come on!!! Give me a break.
If you can't keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys... and believe me THEY can't, and it would take WAY too much money and manpower to EVER keep them out of their hands... then I sure as hell want the good guys to be able to have them too.
And that in and of itself, is to me, the only reason I am pro-SECOND amendment.
If they could keep guns out of the bad guys hands, then by all means, get rid of them all (except for sport). JMHO though.
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My family used to be pro gun. My dad had several and he taught us to shoot and we would target shoot. When I was in 9th grade, my cousin of the same age as me got out his family's gun and committed suicide. I think my dad got rid of all his guns after that, or at least I haven't seen them and he hasn't shot a gun since.
H and I don't have one in our house. We don't like hunting and we don't really have a need for one. I think it is good to take the mystery out of guns for kids though and I don't care if someone responsibly keeps guns in their house.
My dad is extremely careful with them and has a huge gunsafe that he keeps all of them in. Even at 24 and 17 my brother and I don't know the code to his safe. He also has a concealed weapons permit and occassionally keeps one in his truck or in the boat purely for hunting purposes.
I think gun education is important. If you're going to be around guns then you need to know the safety of them and I believe the owner should be responsible.
Just a week or so ago a 7 year accidently shot her 3 year old brother and mom with a police officer's gun. The police officer lived with the kids and mom. Now they're investigating how the child got a hold of that particular gun and that officer has been suspended until the investigation is over.
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This is one of those topics in which I see both sides. Personally, they make me uncomfortable. I know my grandpa, dad, and older brother hunted, I know there were guns somewhere in the house (and I was taught about gun safety), but I honestly never saw them. I don't know how to use one and don't even like holding one. If I had one to "protect myself", the bad guy would probably take it from me and shoot me with it.
Also, my parents are both in liability insurance. Oh the stories... Mom says it's rarely the kids of the gun owners that get into trouble with the gun- it's the friends they have over. (Insurance stories and pics are also the reason that I will never own a convertible.... but I digress.)
On the other side of my now-life- H's family is HUGE into hunting... his stepdad runs the deer lease from his property. H is also a certified police officer (although he doesn't do it full time anymore), so he has a gun. And I know he always will.
We will have to learn how to best handle this when we have children. Combination lock boxes and unarmed weapons are what we have discussed. In all honestly, as much as I understand the pro-gun side of things, it makes me a little sick to my stomach to think there is one in my house. But that is probably because I was never really exposed to them.
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michigan is a huge hunting state. i come from a hunting family, and i grew up around guns, bows, etc. they've always been in my house and homes of my family members. my father's stay in the case, locked, under his bed (because of the climate and well....it's the only place to keep it where it wont be disturbed). i'm totally comfortable around rifles and hunting guns (well...with my family anyway.)
i'm pro gun for sport only. the only reason a small firearm should be carried is to kill a predator, not a human.
in terms of CCW, i'm with juju. they make me really uncomfortable, and i think they're kinda nuts/not OK, but firearm bans aren't going to make them disappear from where they are the biggest problems, so we're kinda screwed. most of the people i know with a CCW are a bit more zealous about guns than i am comfortable with (no offense to anyone with a CCW). guns are humbling. when they dont humble you, you probably shouldnt own one.
FTR i am not okay with video games with excessive gun violence/murder. and i am NOT okay with toy guns.
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Pulling from a few different posts:
Hunting is okay
Teenagers and idiots is not okay
Not storing it properly away from children is not okay
Anyone in the KKK is not okay (sorry, I was watching the History channel the other day and got riled up as usual about the KKK during the Civil Rights Movement. *facepalm*)
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I don't like guns. There were always guns in my house growing up but I was not exposed to them, and I highly doubt that I will ever own one. (Though I may get another compound bow at some point, I always did enjoy target practice when I was a kid lol)
However, if guns are banned I think it'll be like Prohibition all over again. While I don't like them personally I fully support the Second Amendment, though for a different reason than what the Founding Fathers were after- not to protect us from the government, but from the nutso bad dudes who will always get/have guns regardless of the legality.
ETA- and Boo, I don't blame E. He grew up on the east side, right? Scary area. I'm totally against the wimps that totally shun the "unsafe" city in it's entirety, but I'm not comfortable over there :-/
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There was just a shooting close to my area, a dumba$$ 19 year old who was drinking, accidentally shot a 16 year old friend. The kid lived because he was holding a pop bottle in front of his stomach where he was shot, so that took most of the blow.
My dad has shot guns, and he used to let me explore them, clean them, and shoot them. (Only with his direct supervision). He didn't keep the ammo anywhere near the guns. So, I'm not totally inexperienced with them, but I'd never own one. I have no use for one. I think people who have a gun, just to have one, are asking for trouble.
For the Conceal and Carry people, do your H's take their guns where ever they go? I'm interested in finding out.
I grew up kind of around guns. As in, my dad took my sister and I hunting and shooting. He taught us gun safety for years before he ever let us touch one. They were kept locked in a safe that we were never given the combination to, so I never felt like it could be a danger in the house.
I still enjoy shooting with H on occasion. It's, IMO, a fun way to spend an afternoon. We are still very safe and responsible with everything.
I feel like it should be more difficult to obtain a firearm. As in, you must pass some kind of safety training/test before you can take it home with you. At least, we need something to make people aware of the serious nature of a weapon like that.
Conceal and carry is another story. I'm not a fan and I honestly can't see the utility in carrying a gun with me everywhere (or anywhere, honestly) I go.
My dad only takes his when he's on his way to our cabin to go up hunting or target shooting or in the boat. I know he's occassionally forgotten to take it out of the seat of his truck (the seats fold up and he puts it underneath) because I've been driving it and he's called to warn me that it's in there in case I got pulled over.
Nobs- I completely agree about the video games and toy guns. Just today my Kindergarteners built "guns" out of math manipulative blocks I have in my classroom. We had to have a long talk about how we don't have weapons at school and that it's inappropriate, but I truly believe that 5 year olds shouldn't even know that guns can be used for pointing and shooting at each other.
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I don't have anything against guns. DH has a couple for hunting and target practice, and I have shot a couple of them. He is VERY careful and safety conscious (he was the best person in his gun safety class!), and because I know he takes it so seriously, I don't feel afraid or uncomfortable around them. Sometimes I get nervous when he's out hunting with others that they or a stranger might accidentally shoot him.
And the guns are locked in a safe and unloaded, as they always should be. Kids should never know where the key is or how to get into it.
I agree that it should be harder for people to own guns. I think people should have to pass a safety class and be required to pass a follow-up in a certain number of years.
DH has talked about getting his concealed carry permit, which I'm kind of on the fence about. I just don't see why he wants to, but don't really care one way or another. I think he said it was so he could have his hand gun on him loaded while he's going to and from hunting and not have to worry about getting in trouble, but I could be wrong, since I don't really understand the details of the gun laws.
But the people who get permits aren't the ones you should worry about shooting you, IMO.
This is part of the reason J has one. Because he's alot safer in the woods hunting with a handgun than without one. His father is a big right to have guns guy, so thats the other reason he has it, they all have it. If ever there is a war waged on Maine by Canada Im heading for my inlaws. I've never not felt safe when he's had his gun because in order to have it you have to do classes & get approved, and they can deny you even over traffic ticket. 50 in a 45 can get you denied.
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Being a police officers wife, you have to be ok with guns. He has it on him at all times when we are together and he is not working. He has to carry it, while in NY state. And when we are home, it is in a safe place. I am so used to hugging him and feeling it on my body. When we travel it is left at work locked up.
Also my father is a hunter, and I have been around guns since I was a child.
When in the right hands and cared for properly - Pro
When used in non hunting violence - Anti
nope, he doesn't. usually just in the woods. i think he just likes to know that having the LTC he can exercise his right to carry concealed. i dunno...
Well, considering I am from Texas, it is probably obvious that I am pro-guns. J has many rifles for hunting at his parent's house and we have a pistol at our house. Neither of us have have a CCW and I don't know if we will ever get one. I had never really been around guns before meeting J but I have learned how to properly deal with them and feel secure having one in my home. I am not arguing that guns can be dangerous when fallen into the wrong hands but I feel like a majority of gun owners do handle their guns properly.
yeah Eastside... over by Gratiot and Outer Drive... I don't blame him either, but he is a paranoid man fo sho lol.
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Nice way of putting it, Midgey. My father is a HUGE hunting man. I spent most of my childhood watching him get ready to hunt and eating deer meat. And he bought me a kids gun (BB gun) when I was younger and taught me to be responsible with it.
FIL teaches gun safety classes to kids on Saturday mornings and he LOVES it. He bought the 7 year old a little rifle and he will show her how to use it, at the range, in another year or so. But D has to be present since he is her father. FIL knows that the best way to teach the kids about guns is to show them when old enough and teach them respect.
I guess it boils down to that old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people".
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