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A debate or not?

I guess this is the big "debate" going on. I think it's easy to turn it into an OU vs. OSU debate. Simply because this is a huge thing in Norman where the majority of the crowd shouts 'SOONERS!" at the end of the National Anthem, whereas in Stillwater, very few people shout "COWBOYS!".

Basically, the jist is this: the debate is the shouting of 'SOONERS!" at the end of the NA. OU is playing Air Force this weekend and people are finally starting to come out and say this has to/needs to change. Especially given their opponent for this weekend. What do you think? Does it matter? Is it disrespectful?

Listen to this before you state your opinion - it's only a few seconds long: http://podcasting.fia.net/6779/4476604.mp3

My thoughts: it's just plain disrespectful. It's always really bothered me. It even bothers me when/if I hear "COWBOYS!". I don't like it and I think people need to be more respectful to those who are in the forces, those who are overseas, those who have lost their lives, and all those in the past who served. I don't like it at all.

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Re: A debate or not?

  • Your link is messed up, but I also think that it is disrespectful.
  • I too think it's disrespectful. It's always bothered me when going to OU games. Given who they are playing this weekend, I would hope that fans would have more respect, but I have a feeling it will still be the same way.
  • There. Try that link. It works for me, hopefully it works for y'all!
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  • I have several friends in the military and the season ticket holders behind us are in the military and they don't seem to mind.  I don't care either way. I never say it.  They discuss this every.single.year. and the fact of the matter is - you get 90,000 people in one stadium and the chances of getting it to stop are ziltch. 
  • I think it's disrespectful. Having gone to some games and witnessing it I think it crosses a line. Even when the president of OU has to make an announcement on the big screen about it. H did say that at the game this past weekend they did not do it. Hopefully next weekend they will have enough respect to do the same.
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  • I think it's disrespectful, too. The National Anthem is an ode to our country, and changing the words like that just isn't right. I've heard people say it at OSU games [except saying Cowboys instead of Sooners, obviously], and I've glared - hard - at them. One got chewed out at the end of last season by a fellow season ticket holder.

    I know it's not going to stop, but I hope there's enough decency in the stadium to respect the team coming in and not say it. I always listen to WWLS while I'm driving to work, and they mentioned there will be a fly-over. Maybe that'll drown it out.

    Honestly though - I know it's kinda been an issue in the past, but would it really be a huge issue like this if Air Force wasn't coming to town? I'm just curious.

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  • Confused I really don't think it's a big deal.
  • I think the home of the brave should be what is always sung. I do think it's annoying that the only reason this is even an issue is because they're playing AF.
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  • imagetavia_martin:
    Confused I really don't think it's a big deal.

    This.

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  • DH is active duty AF and we're both Sooner alum. I can tell you that he doesn't see the big deal. It doesn't change the meaning of the song because some people change the last word during a game. It is the home of the Sooners, and the Cowboys, and the Longhorns, and the free and the brave. It's home to all of us. 

    It's a silly tradition that is completely meaningless. I understand people get all patriotic and defensive because they're playing Air Force  but perhaps that energy would be better spent actually doing something to support the troops instead of talking about things that, in the long run, really don't matter. 

    That is my complete opinion.  

     

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  • imagetavia_martin:
    Confused I really don't think it's a big deal.

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  • I personally think it's rude so I wouldn't do it, but I don't really care if other people do. There are more important things to worry about, IMO.
  • I tried to click on the link when you posted it on facebook yesterday but it wasn't working for me. And I don't have speakers on my work computer so I can't listen to it now.

    Anywho, I don't see the big deal. Like others have said, it's just a silly tradition that I doubt you would be able to get everyone in the stands to stop doing. But I went to Norman North, and they yell "home of the t-wolves" at the end, so I guess I've always been around people saying something other than "home of the brave". And like runnergirl said, it is home of the sooners, cowboys, and any other team you can think of.

    Ami - I thought I heard everyone say "home of the sooners" at this past game...but I was in the student section so maybe it was just them saying it?


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    Ami - I thought I heard everyone say "home of the sooners" at this past game...but I was in the student section so maybe it was just them saying it?

    No, you're right Kaylee. I was on the opposite side of the field and I heard them say it too.

  • imagerunnergirl2008:

    It's a silly tradition that is completely meaningless. I understand people get all patriotic and defensive because they're playing Air Force  but perhaps that energy would be better spent actually doing something to support the troops instead of talking about things that, in the long run, really don't matter. 

    This, exactly.

  • Don't care. I agree that it would be better to actually do something to support the troops rather than talk about a silly tradition being disrespectful or not. I don't really agree that it is disrespectful, anyway, but it's something that I can't really articulate for some reason. It just doesn't bother me.
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  • imagerunnergirl2008:

    DH is active duty AF and we're both Sooner alum. I can tell you that he doesn't see the big deal. It doesn't change the meaning of the song because some people change the last word during a game. It is the home of the Sooners, and the Cowboys, and the Longhorns, and the free and the brave. It's home to all of us. 

    It's a silly tradition that is completely meaningless. I understand people get all patriotic and defensive because they're playing Air Force  but perhaps that energy would be better spent actually doing something to support the troops instead of talking about things that, in the long run, really don't matter. 

    That is my complete opinion.  

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    100% agree with the above. Every last word. We should all go donate a dollar to Blue Star Mothers now or something.

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  • imagerunnergirl2008:

    DH is active duty AF and we're both Sooner alum. I can tell you that he doesn't see the big deal. It doesn't change the meaning of the song because some people change the last word during a game. It is the home of the Sooners, and the Cowboys, and the Longhorns, and the free and the brave. It's home to all of us. 

    It's a silly tradition that is completely meaningless. I understand people get all patriotic and defensive because they're playing Air Force  but perhaps that energy would be better spent actually doing something to support the troops instead of talking about things that, in the long run, really don't matter. 

    That is my complete opinion.  

     

    Well said! 

    I went to training in Biloxi for two months. There was an active duty AF OU alum there. In the afternoons, we played volleyball during the time they played the national anthem in the afternoon. He said "sooners" under his breath. :)

    Wiki says Tulane signs 'home of the wave' - they said this is a tradition. I googled it and didn't see a lot of angry people over that.

    I agree about actually doing something vs getting so uptight about something so silly and meaningless.

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  • I don't think it is a big deal either.

    When we go to the Dallas Stars game every time they sing stars the whole crowd shouts stars.  I don't remember if they say stars at the end of the anthem though.

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  • imagetavia_martin:
    imagekayleeb:

    Ami - I thought I heard everyone say "home of the sooners" at this past game...but I was in the student section so maybe it was just them saying it?

    No, you're right Kaylee. I was on the opposite side of the field and I heard them say it too.

    I wasn't at the game of course, but I thought part of what sparked the "controversy" was that they did say "sooners" during that game--since it was 9/11 that created a stir.  That's the impression I got anyway, then the fact that they're playing Air Force next just made the whole thing an even bigger issue.
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