4 month wakeful

wingedbride · October 2010

holy hell, this won't last long right?

i am back to hating my husband for his ability to sleep through anything

KayRI · October 2010

I have found that every disruption to his sleeping routine is pretty short-lived. Is he up and ready to play in the middle of the night?

wingedbride · October 2010

yes, he is awake and happy. I can get him to go back to sleep nursing with me in the bed, but not in the crib by himself. he just wants to play which eventually turns into crying.

buddhagouda · October 2010

Mine is waking up several times a night now mad that he's on his tummy. He seems to have forgotten that he knows how to roll back to his back. He's been STTN since he was five weeks old. I'm about to die.

KayRI · October 2010

Since Ian didn't sleep through the night until he was nine months old, I derive a sense of schadenfreude when babies who did so when they were newborns start waking their parents up in the middle of the night.

noisy_penguin · October 2010

Will was awesome until shortly after 3 months, right when I went back to work. He may have hit the 4 month wakeful period early, or he just didn't respond well to the new "Mom's gone all day" schedule. Then he sucked until we did sleep training at 8 or 9 months. We were so sleep deprived by that point that I really don't have any idea when we finally buckled down and did it. No clue. We should have done it earlier.

KristenBtobe · October 2010

I think you did it right after us. We Ferbered Maggie at about 8 months. I wrote it in the baby book I keep for Will.

noisy_penguin · October 2010

KristenBtobe:
I think you did it right after us. We Ferbered Maggie at about 8 months. I wrote it in the baby book I keep for Will.

LOL. For reals. Do you remember when Will got his first tooth? We've forgotten that too. We didn't do a baby book because we are lazy.

KristenBtobe · October 2010

Hm, I think it was earlier than Maggie. Hers was around 8 months. Your doctor said to brush it every night.

Meegs10.13.06 · October 2010

I think it lasted a few weeks for us... it sucked, but it will end eventually. Promise!

Jen&Joe06 · October 2010

I don't remember how long it lasted.

Ben still doesn't STTN.

Novemberrocks · October 2010

That sucks. Yeah, we went through a 4 month wakeful pd, then another one at around 8 months. Over the past month or so, Miles has thankfully started sleeping pretty well - he's been going down at 8-8:30 and sleeping til well after 7 most mornings. I've definitely found that any deviation from the nighttime routine will result in him waking up asss early in the morning. Not fun.

wingedbride · October 2010

DO most people do Ferber or some type of modified Ferber? I may look into that eventually.

Last night he fought going to sleep but went down at 9, woke up screaming at 10 but I was able to soothe him down, woke up at 1:45, but went back asleep on his own and then woke up at 4:30 to nurse. It was better, but still tiring.

I finally told Mr. Winged last night that I was getting exhausted and he was a bigger help last night so that made it easier.

J&J I would cry.

KayRI · October 2010

I made up my own sleep training around nine months. At first, I wouldn't get him before 11:00, then not before 1:00, etc. I did this while F was away, and if I heard him cry, I'd just put a pillow over my head, and go back to sleep. It took 4 or 5 days until he could make it until sometime around 5:00, then he'd have his drink and go back to sleep.

We were lucky in that before sleep training, although Ian would wake up every 3 or 4 hours, he'd just have a bottle and go right back to bed. The whole routine took about 15 minutes.

J&J, that sounds rough.

Novemberrocks · October 2010

We've been very lucky in the sleep department. Miles waking in the middle of the night is the exception rather than the rule. That said, I try to let him cry himself back to sleep whenever possible. I've come to know a cry that will likely peeter out and one that's not going to stop without intervention. I've also learned that if he's standing in the crib and sobbing, there's no way he's putting himself back to sleep.

wingedbride · October 2010

Novemberrocks:
We've been very lucky in the sleep department. Miles waking in the middle of the night is the exception rather than the rule. That said, I try to let him cry himself back to sleep whenever possible. I've come to know a cry that will likely peeter out and one that's not going to stop without intervention. I've also learned that if he's standing in the crib and sobbing, there's no way he's putting himself back to sleep.

Yeah, in the past month it has been easier to differentiate his cried. And he doesn't stand, but he will prop up on his arms and cry/scream vs. laying down and weakly crying interspersed with a few weak screams.

Also, rubbing his back in circles used to soothe him, but now sometimes that works him up and he is better left alone.

Novemberrocks · October 2010

wingedbride:

Also, rubbing his back in circles used to soothe him, but now sometimes that works him up and he is better left alone.

This happened to us too. For a while, rubbing his back made him fall asleep again. All of a sudden, it stopped working and only got him more annoyed. Now, if I go into his room, I know I'm in it for the long haul (feeding, rocking, shushing, the whole 9).

buddhagouda · October 2010

wingedbride:

Also, rubbing his back in circles used to soothe him, but now sometimes that works him up and he is better left alone.

Have you tried giving him a few minutes to see if he'll settle on his own? I know for Ethan, it's usually five minutes to go to sleep on his own or 20-30 if I go in. If he's awake and sees me, he's more likely to fight going back to sleep.

wingedbride · October 2010

buddhagouda:
wingedbride:

Also, rubbing his back in circles used to soothe him, but now sometimes that works him up and he is better left alone.

Have you tried giving him a few minutes to see if he'll settle on his own? I know for Ethan, it's usually five minutes to go to sleep on his own or 20-30 if I go in. If he's awake and sees me, he's more likely to fight going back to sleep.

yeah, now I am having to do that. It has been a recent development.

Or like, last night he was crying long enough that I eventually tried soothing but he got worse, so I went to the bathroom because I assumed I would be getting him out of his crib to nurse him. But he fell asleep while I peed.

Meegs10.13.06 · October 2010

wingedbride:
buddhagouda:
wingedbride:

Also, rubbing his back in circles used to soothe him, but now sometimes that works him up and he is better left alone.

Have you tried giving him a few minutes to see if he'll settle on his own? I know for Ethan, it's usually five minutes to go to sleep on his own or 20-30 if I go in. If he's awake and sees me, he's more likely to fight going back to sleep.

yeah, now I am having to do that. It has been a recent development.

Or like, last night he was crying long enough that I eventually tried soothing but he got worse, so I went to the bathroom because I assumed I would be getting him out of his crib to nurse him. But he fell asleep while I peed.

When Gwen wakes, I make a point to go to the bathroom first for this very reason. Sometimes she soothes herself back to sleep during that time.

There is also the No Cry Sleep Solution, if you are looking for something other then Ferber.

wingedbride · October 2010

Meegs10.13.06:

When Gwen wakes, I make a point to go to the bathroom first for this very reason. Sometimes she soothes herself back to sleep during that time.

There is also the No Cry Sleep Solution, if you are looking for something other then Ferber.

I will look into that. Although, I must say, my kid is a crier. Always has been. He is just vocal. He smiles and laughs more than most babies and he cries and screams more than most babies. I soubt there is any solution that will be non crying. Unless I am reading that title too literally.

Meegs10.13.06 · October 2010

Its more about personalizing your method of sleep training to your child. Its less rigid in its methodology, and more about figuring out what kind of sleeper your child is and what is realistic to expect from them. It also takes into account breast vs. bottle feeding, cosleeping vs. crib sleeping, etc. Its been a long time since I've looked at the book, but I know a number of people who have had really good luck with it.

wingedbride · October 2010

Thank you for the recommendation!

KristenBtobe · October 2010

NCSS didn't cut the mustard with Maggie, but I think it would with Owen. Ferber was the only thing that helped her learn to self soothe. Owen is already much better at self soothing, he just has trouble settling if he gets overtired O

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