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Not hypocritical????????

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_el_ho/mahoney_investigation

Rep. Mahoney admits affairs, says he broke no laws (AP)

In this Oct. 26, 2006 file photo,  Democrat Tim Mahoney waits for  the start of a debate, at a West Palm Beach, Fla. TV station. Mahoney on Monday Oct. 13, 2008 called for an ethics investigation of himself amid reports that he had an affair and then paid the woman to keep her quiet. (AP Photo/J. Pat Carter, File)AP - U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney, embroiled in an adultery scandal and a tight race for re-election, admitted Friday to having at least two affairs but insisted he broke no laws and will not resign.

Re: Not hypocritical????????

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_el_ho/mahoney_investigation

    Rep. Mahoney admits affairs, says he broke no laws (AP)

    In this Oct. 26, 2006 file photo,  Democrat Tim Mahoney waits for  the start of a debate, at a West Palm Beach, Fla. TV station. Mahoney on Monday Oct. 13, 2008 called for an ethics investigation of himself amid reports that he had an affair and then paid the woman to keep her quiet. (AP Photo/J. Pat Carter, File)AP - U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney, embroiled in an adultery scandal and a tight race for re-election, admitted Friday to having at least two affairs but insisted he broke no laws and will not resign.

    I'm confused.

    What exactly is your point here, Alisa?

  • I'm sorry, but how can you not see what the point is (and I am not trying to be snarky)?

    1) This quote says it best: Mahoney won his seat two years ago while promising to return morals and family values to Washington after former Republican U.S. Rep. Mark Foley resigned amid revelations that he sent lurid Internet messages to male teenage pages on Capitol Hill. Foley was later cleared of criminal wrongdoing.

    2) He will not resign?  Hmm, wonder if the Dems will push for him to resign since I seem to remember the same being asked of Foley.  I guess if you are within the party it is acceptible, but when you are not, it is not?  I am trying to get the rules straight.

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  • Having an affair is quite a different situation than sending lewd messages to teenage employees.  Really really different.  Now, I do think it's a bit hypocritical given what he claimed to be cleaning up, but his affairs were part of his private life, not emails sent while at work.  I don't think it's the kind of hypocrisy that should make someone resign, though.
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  • Who was that crazy bathroom guy who didn't resign when everyone said he should? ?The one 'who is not a gay' and yet quite the sit-down tap dancer?
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    2) He will not resign?  Hmm, wonder if the Dems will push for him to resign since I seem to remember the same being asked of Foley.  I guess if you are within the party it is acceptible, but when you are not, it is not?  I am trying to get the rules straight.

    You really don't see a difference here? Underaged teenage boys versus consensual adult affairs?  You think that's the same?

    David Vitter didn't resign and no Republican demanded that he did.  Because it was a consensual adult affair.

    And while Larry Craig was pushed by Republicans to resign, I'm guessing it wasn't the soliciting of a consensual extra-marital affair that pushed them over the edge, it was the whole gay public sex thing that freaked them out.

  • You really don't see a difference here? Underaged teenage boys versus consensual adult affairs?

    I do see the difference (edited to take out the unnecessary snark that I apologize for).  They were inappropriate of Foley, and illegal.  It is also inappropriate to have an affair (notice I did say it was the same), pay off your mistress and redirect public funds towards another mistress.  Vitter should absolutely have been asked to resign (and I am glad he dropped out of the governor's race in LA) for what he did was illegal (as was Foley as is Mahoney). 

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  • This is the guy who replaced Foley? Ha! Oh, the irony! I do think it's hypocritical, but not resignation-worthy.
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  • imageSibil:
    Having an affair is quite a different situation than sending lewd messages to teenage employees.? Really really different.? Now, I do think it's a bit hypocritical given what he claimed to be cleaning up, but his affairs were part of his private life, not emails sent while at work.? I don't think it's the kind of hypocrisy that should make someone resign, though.

    Ditto this. Is he a huge hypocrite? Yes. But soliciting sex from a teenager is way different than having an affair with an adult.?
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    Who was that crazy bathroom guy who didn't resign when everyone said he should?  The one 'who is not a gay' and yet quite the sit-down tap dancer?

    I wish he would have resigned (though his was hypocritical and not illegal, but still damaging to people) and am glad he is not running again and wish William Jefferson would since he thinks the freezer is a good hiding place.  See, I am an equal opportunity person when it comes to scandal.

     

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  • Allen went to work for Mahoney's congressional office, then his campaign. Mahoney said she was fired for performance issues, not because of the affair.

    Allen threatened to sue Mahoney for sexual harassment, and they reached a settlement to avoid a public airing. Her payout came from Mahoney's personal accounts, not from campaign funds or federal dollars, he said.

    Well, that's sketchy.  I agree it's not nearly as bad as predator Foley, but he should resign.  He hired her to work in his office!  I would hope such behavior is not fitting of the office, and if he doesn't resign I hope the voters make that decision for him at the next chance they get.  

  • I am dying trying to find the post from a day or two ago when someone asked if anyone really cares about scandals/adultery, etc. ?And lots of people said "no--not unless they are running on a morals platform, and then its hypocritical"

    Where the heck did that go??

    7/21/2007 :)

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    Allen went to work for Mahoney's congressional office, then hiscampaign. Mahoney said she was fired for performance issues, notbecause of the affair.

    Allen threatenedto sue Mahoney for sexual harassment, and they reached a settlement toavoid a public airing. Her payout came from Mahoney's personalaccounts, not from campaign funds or federal dollars, he said.

    Well, that's sketchy.? I agree it's not nearly as bad as predator Foley, but he should resign.? He hired her to work in his office!? I would hope such behavior is not fitting of the office, and if he doesn't resign I hope the voters make that decision for him at the next chance they get. ?

    Good point. Definitely sketchy.

    I totally agree that this guy has terribly hypocritical and personally, I would not vote for him if he ran for re-election because of it. I'm just not sure if it's a resign-worthy offense.

    Now the sexual harassment stuff, on the other hand, could very well be. ?

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  • I am not sure why whomever said she didn't understand my point doesn't understand my point...............maybe wine would help me.
  • Isn't hush money illegal no matter where the funds come from?
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    I am not sure why whomever said she didn't understand my point doesn't understand my point...............maybe wine would help me.

    Hey Alisa, 

    Tef helped a little bit.

    I think this election is getting to me.  I thought you were trying to compare him to Palin, (yeah, I know, I was tired), and didn't see the connection. Sorry. Embarrassed

  • Completely hypocritical. A consensual relationship between adults isn't quite the same as preying on underage kids, but I'm pretty sure an inter-office adulterous relationship followed by hush money is pretty much the opposite of "moral." Even if the dude hadn't run on a platform of returning morals to the office, the hush money is VERY problematic. What a douche.
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  • I missed the part about office affair and hush money.  Yeah, that makes it quite a bit worse.  Resignation worthy?  I'm not sure, but possibly.  I guess it would depend on the nature of the working relationship and source of money, but they'd have to make a strong case for me to think it wasn't illegal harrassment (ie resignation worthy).

    I think the most galling hypocrisy of the Craig Vitter and Foley types were that they not only personally ran on the better than thou platform, they made a big fuss about being god's party, for the "values voters", anti-gay, etc.  It wasn't just a part of their platform; it was the entire thing. 

    It's really the anti-gay thing with Craig that I think is the worst.  When a person openly targets the rights of a group of people, then it turns out he's secretly a member of that group, well it's just sickening.

    Vitter also sickens me, but that's probably for another debate.

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  • Sorry...I didn't read the article, I thought everything relevant had been posted.  I had heard about it on the news earlier this week and they didn't talk about the hush money, so I assumed the affair was all there was to the story.

    coworkers and hush money are wrong.  Not Foley wrong, but still ridiculously inappropriate. 

    He can get the E08 Bob Allen Award for disgusting displays of hypocracy.  He joins Larry Craig and, of course, his fellow Floridian, Bob Allen.  He should be so proud.

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    imageAlisaS:
    I am not sure why whomever said she didn't understand my point doesn't understand my point...............maybe wine would help me.

    Hey Alisa, 

    Tef helped a little bit.

    I think this election is getting to me.  I thought you were trying to compare him to Palin, (yeah, I know, I was tired), and didn't see the connection. Sorry. Embarrassed

    Good Morning! I wasn't thinking of Palin at all - she has enough issues, right? I am ready for this election to be over myself.  Wink

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