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Fiscal Conservative - What does it mean?
I went back to a thread I posted about Obama talking with/courting the fiscally conservative Democrats of the House & Senate - the Blue Dogs - when someone said that's not what it means to be fiscal conservative. (The emphasis was on balancing the budget.)
What does it mean then? I'm truly curious, not starting anything.
Re: Fiscal Conservative - What does it mean?
no idea - nor do I know what fiscally liberal means (if thats a term too??)
I've often wondered what this meant also, as I know a lot of people who consider themselves fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I'm not sure how the two can be combined, unless you're only talking about a balanced budget. Because to be socially liberal in today's climate requires entitlement programs, which requires money. But I guess as long as you're not spending more than you're bringing in, you can consider yourself a fiscal conservative?
For me personally, I consider a fiscal conservative someone who would rather not spend the money at all or look for ways to entice markets to bring their services to a need of the American public instead of the government. Someone who gives a close look at the constitution for direction on whether or not something is legally able to be spent on by the Congress...
Here it what it means to me:
Not spending money on ineffective programs. Budget reform. It is clear to me that most gov't programs are very poorly run, costing taxpayers $$$$$$. Instead of increasing taxes and wasting more money, I want accountability for what we are already spending. And I am not keen on voting for more taxes/spending until this happens.
The all knowing Wikipedia gives us: "Fiscal conservatism (also known as economic conservatism) is a political phrase term used in North America to describe advocacy of lower governmental spending practices and a lower federal debt; It is used to define someone who advocates smaller government, less federal spending, fewer earmarks and entitlement programs, and lower taxes."
And that is more or less how I'd describe it. I like to add in that government should be more efficient and responsible about spending; there is a lot of fat to cut.
To me, the simple answer is far less government spending--which in turn, means far less federal government involvement. It's not just about a balanced budget, it's about removing things from the budget that are better served as state issues or by charities/philanthropy.
TeamC--I consider myself "socially liberal" in that I am pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, not pro-entitlement programs.
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It means low taxes and low spending.
When liberals use the term they mean any amount of taxes and spending so long as the two are balanced. That's not being a fiscal conservative, it's just being anti-debt.
I never really see those as social issues, to be liberalized or conservativized. I see them more as Constitutional issues of right and wrong. The "socially liberal" issues I usually think of are health care, social security, and medicare. Anyway, just what I was thinking of when I posted.
I would prefer the term "fiscal responsibility" to mean balanced budget, etc.
I'm a fiscal liberal, so I don't have to sweat it. And really, I don't necessarily want more spending (I mean, how could we possibly spend more than we are right now?), I just want smarter spending.
That's what I think of when I use that term also.
I use fiscally liberal to mean pro-big entitlement programs, but I guess the term socially liberal in the sense of social programs makes more sense.
so does fiscally conservative = smaller govt. or is that over simplifiying it???
I see a difference between wanting less govt. and wanting less "wasteful" govt. because these goals can be accomplished in different ways.
oh ok that makes sense.
I'm curious where some things fall on the spectrum, like the EPA & FDA. Is that a part of "too big government?" what about other regulatory agencies? Especially in light of the financial crisis.
I guess a simpler way of asking is what parts of government are unnecessary/part of the problem/however you want to put it.
No one is pro-waste or pro-inefficiency or even pro-taxes. We just all have a different definition of what waste is. So, I don't think there's any one definition of what a fiscal conservative is although so many people self identify as one.
EPA might be waste to some, SS to another, TANF to yet another person, and they would want the entire program cut. And then there might be some who think all 3 are necessary and not inherently wasteful but can be trimmed some, or a lot.
I have to agree. When I say socially liberal I do mean on issues such as pro-choice and gay marriage and not pro-entitlement programs. I equate entitlement programs to liberally fiscal people.
I think this is a great question that even I continue to struggle with. But the more you disagree with these programs I would consider you to be more fiscally conservative, but I think in order to do so, you must apply a systematic logic across the board. You can't just say, oh, well, the FDA is corrupt, but the EPA is necessary because the environment can't fight for itself. For me, anyway, not only do I have trouble achieving consistent logic for some of those agencies you mention, but I also struggle with the current interpretation of Congress' authority to regulate all commerce. This is an area I haven't been able to pin down for myself.
I don't see how socially liberal means one wants to spend money. You can be pro choice, pro gay marriage and such and those don't really cost money.