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HTW: Air Travel
I tried to do a clicky poll but can't seem to from the phone.
So... with the new TSA scans (and if you haven't seen how detailed they are, look for Google images of "TSA full body scan"), and/or the new invasive pat-downs, are loathe to get on a plane? Or don't you care? Do you not mind it, think it's a necessary evil, or think it's a violation of privacy and the 4th Amendment and hate everything about it? Does it make you uncomfortable?
Or are you actually looking forward to getting groped?
I'm actually thinking of skipping my yearly trip to New Orleans because of it.
Re: HTW: Air Travel
I'm A-OK with either. I'll probably opt-in for the pat down due to the pregnancy. But after that I'll go full body scanners all the way. In my mind, it's a necessary evil and airline travel is not a right.
If everyone who is anti scanner and pat down wants to take their own planes to destinations, I'm game for that. Everyone call all fly together.
I don't really care how they want to make sure I'm not a threat as long as it doesn't take a long time.
The chances of me flying anywhere in the next ten years are minimal, anyway.
I'd rather a scan than a full pat down. When I first heard about the scans, I was a little uneasy, but once I saw what they look like, I'm ok with it. We'll still fly. Our only alternative would be to take a boat either around the Cape of Good Hope or through the Mediterranean and the Suez Canal...
What I don't get is why people think they should be able to refuse the scan and the pat down without consequences. I mean, don't they realize that if it were possible to refuse both, then people could carry weapons and just refuse to be inspected? What would be the point of the security measures if only people who weren't carrying would be inspected?
This is me. It's an unfortunate necessary evil to make sure air travel is safe (at least I hope).
I'm fine with it. As long as it doesn't take too long, they don't intentionally invade my privacy and I don't have to kick somebody's @ss over it, I'm fine.
I'm flying in March to see Joe, July to the East Coast and possibly next winter. I'll be in the air a little bit, but it won't really bother me, I'm sure.
Stephanie, based on what I'm seeing from you guys about pumping today, I think if they mess with your milk is when you'll first BECOME dangerous!
Thing is, people do have a right to refuse law enforcement measures that violate their Constitutional rights.under the 4th Amendment rights limiting searches, we can't be searched unless there's probable cause. Even a basic "stop and frisk" requires reasonable suspicion and that's a lot less invasive than this pat down.
Something to think about: El Al is probably the safest airline in thw world and doesn't have to resort to these measures. Why? And they're surrounded terrorists who want to wipe them right into the sea.
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But again...air travel isn't a right, it's a business. I feel that in order to patronize their business you must follow their rules.
Don't like it....drive, greyhound, boat....whatever.
I'm in total agreement with this.
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Even so....This isn't like the gov't is coming into your home and doing an illegal search of your home, persons, vehicle. You are coming to them, and taking part in a necessary step in order to fly on airlines.
You get carded when you go into a liquor store, clubs have pat downs for weapons, high schools have metal detectors, heck, I've had to fluff out my bra to ensure I'm not carrying drugs into a music festival.
I totally agree with Marcy. Flying is a right and not something that we should take for granted. Especially safe flying at that. I'm okay with whatever they want to do if it means it'll make the flight safer. Am I carrying bomb on board? No. But I don't know about the other 200 passengers, and to me that's worth it then.
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I was working in a travel agency on Sep 11 and it was a scary place to be, and I don't want to experience that ever again in my life.
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I'd like to fly safely too. I just don't think this is the way to do it. Like I said, El Al, the Israeli airline, dealing with terrrorists on a daily basis since 1948 and surrounded by enemies... doesn't have to do this.
And they don't have issues on their planes.
Why not?
What are we doing wrong? What are they doing right?
BTW, there's a HUGE difference between showing ID in a liquor store and having a minor pat down at a club (where I go, this is rare, and only if the metal detector goes off)... and the groping the TSA is giving... they're making children cry, it's that invasive.
I have a problem with that.
I'm actually surprised that I seem to be the only one here who does. I know other people who do, just apparenlty not on March '09. That's interesting to me.
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I also think the pat downs are a little invasive, from what I've read (I haven't flown since it started) they could handle it better. I'm ok with the body scans, I think they're necessary and not really any different than scanning your luggage or shoes.
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Absolutely there's a HUGE difference. There is also a huge difference between bringing pot into a music festival, bringing a weapon into school,buying alcohol underage and attempting to hijack a plane. All things are relative.
The fact of the matter is that people have made multiple attempts to bring down our airplanes. Not just attempts, but they've succeeded.
Vikki brings up a point I was wondering...
Have any of you flown since the pat downs? Have you personally experienced how bad it is?
I have a bunch of family and friends and coworkers who have.
You know what they ALL (off the top of my head, this is probably a total group of, let me think 15-20 people) say? It's really not that bad. Am I questioning the fact it has made some children cry? Absolutely not, that is wrong. Should the TSA maybe alter the situation if it was a child? Yes, maybe. But I do think some adults are, pardon my french, just fvcking over reacting. I don't disagree, Larissa, that El Al perhaps is doing something right, but it's also their LIFE out their. The whole culture in Israel is very different. When my cousin was 16 out there, I asked her isn't she frightened to take a bus TO SCHOOL knowing someone could blow it up? Her words (this was 5-6 years ago) "I'm not going to stop living my life." Now of course, her mother may think differently...Israeli's must serve in the Army at 18, many grew up with bombs and terrorist attacks, as it was mentioned. Because of this, I don't think we can compare unfortunately (or fortunately, depending how you look at it I guess) their processes with ours. It's a completely different world.
My family member of mine is also a TSA agent. This topic came up a few weeks ago when we saw him, but unfortunately I was at the other end of the room and couldn't hear or participate in the conversation.
That's another thing the Israelis do right - live their lives. If they let the terrorists dictate how they go about things, the terrorists would've won. What we're doing here is letting them win. They know it. They watch us walking around scared, happily giving up our freedoms in the name of some elusive "safety," and they know they've won. We should be taking our cues from Israel, not having knee-jerk reactions that chip away at everything that's best about this country.
What your cousin said is exactly my point.
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See I kind of disagree with you in some aspects.
Israel KNOWS how to handle attacks. At least, they know how to better now. Were they like this is 1948 or the years following? I truly don't know I would have to research it.
We, on the other hand, do not yet. So I am not necessarily disagreeing that we should stop knee jerk reacting/etc...however...
Until U.S better learns how to handle these situations, there is going to be some pain to the public unfortunately.
Any change has discomforts....whether it's work, school, home life, or public policy.
I haven't flown yet (will in two weeks) but my mom has flown frequently. She hasn't had to do the scanner or the pat downs yet. There is only one terminal in Philadelphia that has those options and it's the least busy terminal that she never flies out of.
I fly 10-15 times a year and have never had an issue with security.
I thought any airport that didn't have scanners was forcing the pat downs... ?
Jackie, thing is, in 1948, no one had had to deal with anything like it before, except probably the British dealing with the IRA, and I don't think that's on the same scale unless we just don't hear about it as much.
So no Israel probably wasn't as good at it then. But now we can watch and learn, just because someone has dealt with it before us. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel. Progress has already been made, we don't need to take steps backwards, especially in light of today's communication levels versus how hard it was to communicate with other countries in the '40s and learn things.
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Nope, it's business as usual at PHL. They only have them at Terminal F (which is only US Air Express) which is a total joke.
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I asked my nephews last night about security in Houson, and El Paso plus Philly. They both said that it was standard old school metal detectors just like before.
Looks like this was a mountain out of a mole hill so far.
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