Someone with a baby (and thus, more credibility than me)

_Fenton · January 2011

post this on AP!

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/01/10/author-joan-b-wolf-in-conversation/

elenaforbusher · January 2011

I have a baby but very little credibility. That said, how 'bout I post it on P & CE?

_Fenton · January 2011

Post away!

elenaforbusher · January 2011

The best part is that the gal looks like mominatrix's long lost twin.

FallinAgain · January 2011

This is one of SPB's flip her shiit buttons, isn't it?

_Fenton · January 2011

I don't think they're going to be opinion twins on this topic.

elenaforbusher · January 2011

FallinAgain:
This is one of SPB's flip her shiit buttons, isn't it?

Oh yeah. This and circumcising the boy babies.

Just posted.

FallinAgain · January 2011

elenaforbusher:

FallinAgain:
This is one of SPB's flip her shiit buttons, isn't it?

Oh yeah. This and circumcising the boy babies.

Just posted.

And owl costume markups.

wingedbride · January 2011

So, instead of saying breastmilk is best, she is saying that moms who breastfeed are best.

This seems a little insulting to me, no?

Women who breastfeed are more likely to do other things that will make their babies healthier.

FallinAgain · January 2011

wingedbride:

So, instead of saying breastmilk is best, she is saying that moms who breastfeed are best.

This seems a little insulting to me, no?

Women who breastfeed are more likely to do other things that will make their babies healthier.

No, I think she's just saying that women who breastfeed are likely to be wealthier, better educated, with better healthcare, with more access to a variety of resources. It's hard to separate all that out and say it's the breastfeeding or breastmilk that improves babies' health.

wingedbride · January 2011

FallinAgain:
wingedbride:

So, instead of saying breastmilk is best, she is saying that moms who breastfeed are best.

This seems a little insulting to me, no?

Women who breastfeed are more likely to do other things that will make their babies healthier.

No, I think she's just saying that women who breastfeed are likely to be wealthier, better educated, with better healthcare, with more access to a variety of resources. It's hard to separate all that out and say it's the breastfeeding or breastmilk that improves babies' health.

For some things, yes. It looks like even she agrees breastmilk is beneficial for some things.

But then she is saying that wealthier, educated parents are better mothers.

I am kind of shocked that poorer women woulnd't breastfeed given how expensie formula is. I almost feel formula is for the richy riches.

FallinAgain · January 2011

I read it as saying that wealthier parents have healthier babies, not that they are better parents. That's a factual claim, not a judgment. I think "willing and able to go the extra mile" is a key element. You can long to be the best parent in the world but if you have limited resources, your child is likely to be less healthy.

Formula is expensive, but breastmilk isn't really free. If you have to work long hours with short breaks in an unsupportive enviroment, you may not be able to "afford" to breastfeed. You can get formula from the state, but not the time and support BFing takes.

wingedbride · January 2011

FallinAgain:
I read it as saying that wealthier parents have healthier babies, not that they are better parents. That's a factual claim, not a judgment. I think "willing and able to go the extra mile" is a key element. You can long to be the best parent in the world but if you have limited resources, your child is likely to be less healthy.

It shouldn't even have to be an extra mile thing though. Everyone, regardless of financial status should have the same access to medical care that would allow them to make extra claims. I realize there are things above and beyond that. But if we are just talking about things to keep a baby reasonably healthy, it doesn't take anything beyond that.

And I think the emotional cost of breastfeeding is definitely a concern for many.

pdxmouse · January 2011

In another article she says the decision to breastfeed makes as great a difference as actually breastfeeding.

I like the part about "good enough" mothering. I wonder how having a mom in luv with medieval history is going to affect my kids (although the idea that medieval parents didn't care for their children is almost entirely false, parenting was more relaxed). Of course, I can't seem to wean before the age of 2, maybe I can blame it on that too.

FallinAgain · January 2011

Beyond healthcare though, healthy food costs more than processed junk. Kids in inner cities often don't have safe places to run and get exercise. I think the point is just that there is a lot that goes into healthy children that wealthier people can provide easier. Which is sad but true.

wingedbride · January 2011

FallinAgain:
Beyond healthcare though, healthy food costs more than processed junk. Kids in inner cities often don't have safe places to run and get exercise. I think the point is just that there is a lot that goes into healthy children that wealthier people can provide easier. Which is sad but true.

We dont have this and we are the wealthier people (I assume. either that or I have just discovered I am poor).

And I see what she is getting at but her science doesn't seem any more solid.

Overall, I think arguments on either side just get bogged down. Feed your kid and shut the fukc up about it.

GroomzMcFinehiney · January 2011

I took it to mean that women are invairably flawed and while money may help in some cases, they should all just leave parenting to the gays. We don't stress over breastmilk, and a stress free home is a healthy home.

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