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Honest and true things I don't understand
1. How upper-middle class to wealthy women that supposedly are not anorexic in the US can be malnourished. I have had two friends who have had severe(ish) health problems, like heart arrhythmia, because their Vitamin D was so low. I mean I know you want to be a size 0 but eat something rather than die.
2. Converting to Judaism if you don't believe in the religion.
Lotusnotes. Self identifying as a minority on your job application when the minority blood comes from a great grandparent who was of mixed-race and was completely estranged from the minority part of the family.
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Re: Honest and true things I don't understand
Husbands should be like Kleenex: Soft, strong, and disposable.
I know that's the argument. I just don't "get" it.
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Husbands should be like Kleenex: Soft, strong, and disposable.
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Kay, I do. I have met a number of people who have converted to Judaism who don't believe in the religious aspects of it. Sometimes for marriage, which I sort of get but not completely. I mean if you don't believe and it is a marital issue how is pretending going to help? Can't you agree to raise the kids Jewish without converting? Would you be raising them culturally Jewish but not religiously Jewish. I just don't get it. But some have converted solely because they like the idea academically. Including the woman I am now carpooling with and a gal I went to law school with who said she was going to become a Jew because of how women were treated under Jewish culture. Just does not compute.
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Probably. Because many jews aren't religious, but they are "cultural" jews. Or as I like to call it- Seinfeldian Jews.
I'll try to explain the best I can. If you're catholic, you can be a million different ethnicities that come with their own culture. If you're Italian and catholic, your "culture" is Italian first- the food, the personality that is stereotypical, the language, etc. Irish and catholic- different than some other ethnicity and catholic. Again, Irish first. There is not really a "community" in religions like that (outside of whatever house of worship you participate with) aside from Judaism. You don't need to go to temple to be part of the food, language (yiddish- not hebrew), and other cultural stuff. People like to say if you're a NY'er everyone's Jewish by association.
I'm not religious at all- don't even believe in god. But I'm culturally jewish. It's a feeling. Very hard to articulate.
Now. I don't think people should be converting for that, but I don't know who Mod was talking about. And it's not like it's easy to convert to Judaism- it's HARD. So, I'd find it hard to believe people would be doing that for just the "community".
THIS exactly TSD. It is the actual conversion I don't get. I have many Jewish friends who invite me to Shabbat and are very open and cool with the cultural aspects. I can understand wanting to be a part of the community and culture but to go through the conversion I don't get.
Fenton, yeah I know going to a place of worship is a fast way to get to know people, I just think it is kind of crappy if you don't believe in the religion. My BFF and her husband did it when they needed to find a nanny/babysitter in a new community. They felt kind of crappy about it and I thought it was sort of crappy.
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Well, it depends on how they're converting. If they want to be orthadox then they have to convert- you can't just agree to raise kids jewish. And if they're willing to be orthadox then obviously they're looking for something- like someone becoming christian to be saved. Or however that works. People join churches all the time because they feel like they're missing something and think the community of the church and trying to find christ in their heart will help them.
I don't know it would be "pretending". If you're going to bother to go through conversion, I'd have to assume you're going to take something away from it. Many people who finish conversion are more religious than people born into it.
Mod- what I'm trying to also say is that I don't know you'd be accepted into the community without going through the actual conversion. You can go to all the shabbat dinners you want but that obviously doesn't make you jewish. If they want to go to the events, be a real part of the community, and join the temple for activities, you'd want to do the conversion or you'd still be "different". People looking for a community want to be fully immersed in it.
I wouldn't walk into a christian church to hang out but not want to get to know jesus. THAT would make me feel like a fraud.
That I can see. And granted my sample is small so probably not representative.
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Honestly, I think Judaism is very attractive. Lots of holidays, rituals, whatever that seem to be very much about family and community. It seems like there is a lot of identity and closeness that is just a part of being Jewish? I don't know how to express it. I've said I would like to have been born a Jew.
But I'm not going to convert because I don't believe in the religion. That I don't really get either.
The nerve!
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The thing with Judaism is that it's passed down through the mother. So even though my husband is Jewish, we could not raise our kids in that religion, unless I converted. Luckily neither of us practice our religion, or have a strong desire to pass it on to our children, so it's not something I will have to seriously consider.
My MIL was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist, converted to Judaism so that her kids could be Jewish, and then converted back to Seventh Day Adventist after my H had his bar mitzvah.
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Boxer, does your MIL believe in God and an afterlife?
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I think we've found the answer to SJC's problems.
I get being a cultural Jew because your family is Jewish but you are a non-believer. I don't get converting to a religion that you don't believe in (maybe maybe for marriage). I get attending a church if you are seeking but not a believer, I don't get attending just to meet people. There's a lot of ways to find community. Pretending to believe something you don't seems a sad way to do it.
Can someone explain that being Jewish doesn't require a belief in God? Are we just talking cultural Jew there? I did not realize that you couldn't raise the kids Jewish if the mother doesn't convert. I guess that makes Charlotte York make more sense.
For the whole time that I've known her, my MIL has been very religious. She believes that everything in the bible is true, as it is written (blink blink).
Apparently she hasn't always been that way though. My H says that she became much more religious after her husband passed away.
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I think that's the bit I don't understand. If you truly believe in Christianity or some other religion I can't understand converting and raising your children in a religion you think is wrong.
If you don't believe, I can't imagine going through all the rigamarole to convert. I can't imagine caring that much. And if your spouse truly believes and cares so much, I can't see how it is not an issue in your marriage. (maybe that is because I was raised fire and brimstone christian so believing something else equals eternal damnation)
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So I've asked my husband that question, and here is his answer:
My MIL had a very religious upbringing, but didn't really believe. My FIL was Jewish, and a firm believer. My MIL agreed to convert because she wanted the kids to have a religious upbringing, even if it wasn't her religion ( strong community values, morals and all the basic good things that most religions have in common). When she converted, she intended to embrace the religion and it's beliefs. BUT, when she tried to get her kids accepted into a Hebrew day school, they were rejected because she had only converted to Judaism, and wasn't born into the religion. That made her pretty bitter about Judaism, so after that she never really believed. After my H had his bar mitzvah, she converted back to her original religion, and after my FIL passed away, she became a true believer in it.
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Okay. I get that.
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Conversion & not believing= because you are marrying someone of that religion?
Eh, I am a bit more religious but I think converting when you don't believe in the religion/g-d is offensive.
Yes, it is a culture but our whole culture is based around our history and beliefs.
Also, Boxer today reform synagogues (and honestly I think conservative) will accept your child as Jewish as long as you agree to raise her/him that way. The only people who really follow the mother thing anymore is the orthodox.
Us reform, we'll take them where we can get them. Although I am shocked anyone would go through the steps to convert if they didn't believe in it. Yes our culture is amazing and I love it but I also strongly believe in the teachings that direct the culture.
I observe with Adam and we are raising Mucho Jewish, but I have no plans to convert. I won't say never, but I'm not compelled to do so at this time, even though there are a lot of things I really like about both the religion and the culture.
We could give two hard brown turds if the Orthodox folks say MC's not Jewish. We say she's Jewish, and that's all that matters, and when the time comes for Hebrew school we'll find a synagogue that doesn't give us any grief about it.
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No reform synogogues will care. And probably at this point, no egalitarian conservative ones will either.