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New CA Prop Polls
per PPIC:
SAN FRANCISCO, California, October 22, 2008 ? Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that would end same-sex marriage in California, is losing among likely voters, 52 percent to 44 percent, according to a statewide survey released today by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) with funding from The James Irvine Foundation. With two weeks to go before Election Day, support also remains below the 50 percent threshold for two other closely watched initiatives, Proposition 4, which would require a parent to be notified before a minor can have an abortion, and Proposition 11, which would give a commission of voters the authority to draw legislative districts.
In an indication of how strong voters? motivations are to cast their ballots on this measure, supporters of Proposition 8 are far more likely (69%) than opponents (49%) to say the results are very important.
Likely voters are divided on Proposition 4 (46% yes, 44% no, 10% don?t know), a constitutional amendment that would prohibit a girl under 18 years old to have an abortion until 48 hours after a parent or guardian is notified. Support for the measure has failed to reach a majority for the third month (48% yes in September, 47% yes in August). Voters defeated similar measures in 2005 (47% yes, 53% no) and 2006 (46% yes, 54% no).
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This is silly, but this reminded me that they need 50% to win, not just a majority. Does anyone know if this is 50% of the total votes cast, or votes cast on the issue.
I'm very glad to hear about Prop 8. I finally signed up to volunteer. I just can't get over how disappointed I would be if that won.
Re: New CA Prop Polls
Prop 8 and Prop 4 are the most important to me, and it makes me sad that prop 4 is running so close. Its not getting nearly enough press, esp. considering it is constitutional amendment.
I am happy about the prop 8 polls though, those are the best I have seen in awhile.
Parental consent is a constitutional thing? ?Isn't it normally legislative?
I know a lot of states have rules about taxes and needed a particular percentage of people to vote AND a majority in order to change a law. I don't know what CA law is and whether it applies to constitutional amendments.
So I went to find out about the 50% thing and found this (thankfully) failed ballot measure:
Bans Abortion of Viable Fetus Unless Necessary to Save Mother?s Life. Declares God Creator of Life. Constitutional Amendment and Statute.
Summary Date: 03/26/08 Failed: 09/30/08
Proponent: Laura Storms
Amends Constitution to: (1) create presumption that a fetus becomes viable at 24 weeks; (2) define fetal viability to include the use of life support; (3) ban abortion of a viable fetus except where necessary to save mother?s life; and (4) give viable fetuses rights to life and medical care. Provides abortion after 24 weeks is murder unless necessary to save mother?s life. Requires taxpayers pay all legal costs proponent incurs fighting challenges to initiative. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential costs to state and local governments not likely to exceed $20 million annually after a few years for public benefit programs, legal proceedings, and incarceration. (Initiative 08-0002.) (Full Text)
The first two points:
a) The People of the great State of California find and declare that God is the Creator of all life.
b) The people of the great State of California find and declare that God is the Author of all human life.
This crackpot lives in San Jose. I really hope I never see crazy walking down the street.
Back on topic, the only thing I can find is Wiki says 50% of voters need to approve an initiative. But it can't be 50% of registered voters right? It must be 50% of voters on that intiative?
It's insane, there is no higher threshold for a constitutional amendment. I think you have to get more signatures to get it on the ballot, but once it's there it just needs 50% like any other initiative. Prop 8 is a constitutional amendment also.
I knew about prop 8 being constitutional since the whole reason for it was teh CA court ruling that the state constitution didn't allow for discrimination of gays, including in marriage. ?So, they want to "fix" the constitution.
I didn't realize the last consent measure had that bullshit about god. ?I wonder how that was worded on the ballot, or if it was even mentioned.?
Deductive reasoning isn't a conservative or liberal attribute. ~epphd